The conspiracy theorist are being proven right time and time again......

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BREAKING: This newly unclassified document confirms what millions have said for years… that the CIA killed President Kennedy.

This document was just declassified. Oh My God…

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I'm glad this can finally be put to rest and I hope it brings The Kennedy Family some sort of peace..

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Kennedy wanted to pull out of Vietnam, End big agencies like the FBI and CIA, so it makes sense why they offed him. I never believed it was just Oswald and the magic bullet theory.

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Kennedy wanted to pull out of Vietnam, End big agencies like the FBI and CIA, so it makes sense why they offed him.  I never believed it was just Oswald and the magic bullet theory.

First I hope the Kennedy family is happy it is out.
Next there are a few other questions that need to be answered.
How did Jack Ruby get access to Oswald with a gun?
Was Ruby acting alone or on orders?
How did Sirhan Sirhan get to John's brother in that restaurant after John had been killed?

Lastly why did the sniper who video clear shows has the sniper in his sights allow the guy to shoot at Trump?
They saw Trump go down then killed the sniper.
Poor guy was gonna die no matter what.
Who pulled this off?

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

Kennedy wanted to pull out of Vietnam, End big agencies like the FBI and CIA, so it makes sense why they offed him.  I never believed it was just Oswald and the magic bullet theory.

Kennedy most definitely did not want out of 'Nam.

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Kennedy wanted to pull out of Vietnam, End big agencies like the FBI and CIA, so it makes sense why they offed him.  I never believed it was just Oswald and the magic bullet theory.

Kennedy most definitely did not want out of 'Nam.

Yes he did.... it was LBJ that was pushing for a more active role in Vietnam as a reward for his defense contractor buddies........

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Kennedy most definitely did not want out of 'Nam.

Yes he did.... it was LBJ that was pushing for a more active role in Vietnam as a reward for his defense contractor buddies........

I agree. Also, it was payback for the Bay of Pigs mess.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

Kennedy most definitely did not want out of 'Nam.

Yes he did.... it was LBJ that was pushing for a more active role in Vietnam as a reward for his defense contractor buddies........

Lol no.
Neither of them ever left any paper trail related to considerations of dialing back our involvement.
Kennedy ordered the assassinarion of Diem less than a month before his own death.
Sit down and shut up until you actually read a book.  Jesus.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Yes he did.... it was LBJ that was pushing for a more active role in Vietnam as a reward for his defense contractor buddies........

Lol no.
Neither of them ever left any paper trail related to considerations of dialing back our involvement.
Kennedy ordered the assassinarion of Diem less than a month before his own death.
Sit down and shut up until you actually read a book.  Jesus.

Actually, I don't have to as I lived through it. He is correct.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

Lol no.
Neither of them ever left any paper trail related to considerations of dialing back our involvement.
Kennedy ordered the assassinarion of Diem less than a month before his own death.
Sit down and shut up until you actually read a book.  Jesus.

Actually, I don't have to as I lived through it. He is correct.

Either you were lied to or you are very forgetful. If Kennedy wanted to be less involved with South Vietnam, why did he order the CIA to kill Diem?

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Actually, I don't have to as I lived through it. He is correct.

Either you were lied to or you are very forgetful. If Kennedy wanted to be less involved with South Vietnam, why did he order the CIA to kill Diem?

Lots of books written read a bunch over the years. A lot of unproven guesses by many people with second hand knowledge. The below does not sound like someone who "ordered" the CIA to do anything.


(President Kennedy): Monday, November 4, 1963. Over the weekend the coup in Saigon took place. It culminated three months of conversation about a coup, conversation which divided the government here and in Saigon.

(President Kennedy): Opposed to a coup was General Taylor, the Attorney General, Secretary McNamara to a somewhat lesser degree, John McCone, partly because of an old hostility to Lodge which causes him to lack confidence in Lodge's judgment, partly as a result of a new hostility because Lodge shifted his station chief; in favor of the coup was State, led by Averell Harriman, George Ball, Roger Hilsman, supported by Mike Forrestal at the White House.
 
(President Kennedy): I feel that we must bear a good deal of responsibility for it, beginning with our cable of early August in which we suggested the coup. In my judgment that wire was badly drafted, it should never have been sent on a Saturday. I should not have given my consent to it without a roundtable conference at which McNamara and Taylor could have presented their views. While we did redress that balance in later wires, that first wire encouraged Lodge along a course to which he was in any case inclined.

(President Kennedy): Harkins continued to oppose the coup on the ground that the military effort was doing well. There was a sharp split between Saigon and the rest of the country. Politically the situation was deteriorating. Militarily it had not had its effect; there was a feeling, however, that it would. For this reason, Secretary McNamara and General Taylor supported applying additional pressures to Diem and Nhu in order to move them.

(John Kennedy, Jr): Unclear

(President Kennedy): You want to say something? Say something. Hello.

(John Kennedy, Jr): Hello.

(President Kennedy): I was shocked by the death of Diem and Nhu. I'd met Diem with Justice Douglas many years ago. He was an extraordinary character. While he became increasingly difficult in the last months, nevertheless over a ten-year period he'd held his country together, maintained its independence under very adverse conditions. The way he was killed made it particularly abhorrent.

(President Kennedy): The question now is whether the generals can stay together and build a stable government, or whether Saigon will begin... will turn on... public opinion in Saigon, the intellectuals, students, etcetera, will turn on this government as repressive and undemocratic in the not too distant future.

https://millercenter.org/the-presidency/...on-of-diem

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

Either you were lied to or you are very forgetful. If Kennedy wanted to be less involved with South Vietnam, why did he order the CIA to kill Diem?

Lots of books written read a bunch over the years. A lot of unproven guesses by many people with second hand knowledge. The below does not sound like someone who "ordered" the CIA to do anything.


(President Kennedy): Monday, November 4, 1963. Over the weekend the coup in Saigon took place. It culminated three months of conversation about a coup, conversation which divided the government here and in Saigon.

(President Kennedy): Opposed to a coup was General Taylor, the Attorney General, Secretary McNamara to a somewhat lesser degree, John McCone, partly because of an old hostility to Lodge which causes him to lack confidence in Lodge's judgment, partly as a result of a new hostility because Lodge shifted his station chief; in favor of the coup was State, led by Averell Harriman, George Ball, Roger Hilsman, supported by Mike Forrestal at the White House.
 
(President Kennedy): I feel that we must bear a good deal of responsibility for it, beginning with our cable of early August in which we suggested the coup. In my judgment that wire was badly drafted, it should never have been sent on a Saturday. I should not have given my consent to it without a roundtable conference at which McNamara and Taylor could have presented their views. While we did redress that balance in later wires, that first wire encouraged Lodge along a course to which he was in any case inclined.

(President Kennedy): Harkins continued to oppose the coup on the ground that the military effort was doing well. There was a sharp split between Saigon and the rest of the country. Politically the situation was deteriorating. Militarily it had not had its effect; there was a feeling, however, that it would. For this reason, Secretary McNamara and General Taylor supported applying additional pressures to Diem and Nhu in order to move them.

(John Kennedy, Jr): Unclear

(President Kennedy): You want to say something? Say something. Hello.

(John Kennedy, Jr): Hello.

(President Kennedy): I was shocked by the death of Diem and Nhu. I'd met Diem with Justice Douglas many years ago. He was an extraordinary character. While he became increasingly difficult in the last months, nevertheless over a ten-year period he'd held his country together, maintained its independence under very adverse conditions. The way he was killed made it particularly abhorrent.

(President Kennedy): The question now is whether the generals can stay together and build a stable government, or whether Saigon will begin... will turn on... public opinion in Saigon, the intellectuals, students, etcetera, will turn on this government as repressive and undemocratic in the not too distant future.

https://millercenter.org/the-presidency/...on-of-diem

He regretted the decision. He viewed it as a choice, that America had, to encourage a coup or to discourage one.  Some in his administration said let's encourage it, some said no let's stick with Diem. In Kennedy's mind, "wait and see what happens" was not one of the options, and neither was "let's leave them alone from now on." In Kennedy's mind we were responsible for what happened in South Vietnam either way.  

Gen Z would call it "main character syndrome".  Kennedy wasn't going to withdraw from that stage when he was the star of it.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Lots of books written read a bunch over the years. A lot of unproven guesses by many people with second hand knowledge. The below does not sound like someone who "ordered" the CIA to do anything.


(President Kennedy): Monday, November 4, 1963. Over the weekend the coup in Saigon took place. It culminated three months of conversation about a coup, conversation which divided the government here and in Saigon.

(President Kennedy): Opposed to a coup was General Taylor, the Attorney General, Secretary McNamara to a somewhat lesser degree, John McCone, partly because of an old hostility to Lodge which causes him to lack confidence in Lodge's judgment, partly as a result of a new hostility because Lodge shifted his station chief; in favor of the coup was State, led by Averell Harriman, George Ball, Roger Hilsman, supported by Mike Forrestal at the White House.
 
(President Kennedy): I feel that we must bear a good deal of responsibility for it, beginning with our cable of early August in which we suggested the coup. In my judgment that wire was badly drafted, it should never have been sent on a Saturday. I should not have given my consent to it without a roundtable conference at which McNamara and Taylor could have presented their views. While we did redress that balance in later wires, that first wire encouraged Lodge along a course to which he was in any case inclined.

(President Kennedy): Harkins continued to oppose the coup on the ground that the military effort was doing well. There was a sharp split between Saigon and the rest of the country. Politically the situation was deteriorating. Militarily it had not had its effect; there was a feeling, however, that it would. For this reason, Secretary McNamara and General Taylor supported applying additional pressures to Diem and Nhu in order to move them.

(John Kennedy, Jr): Unclear

(President Kennedy): You want to say something? Say something. Hello.

(John Kennedy, Jr): Hello.

(President Kennedy): I was shocked by the death of Diem and Nhu. I'd met Diem with Justice Douglas many years ago. He was an extraordinary character. While he became increasingly difficult in the last months, nevertheless over a ten-year period he'd held his country together, maintained its independence under very adverse conditions. The way he was killed made it particularly abhorrent.

(President Kennedy): The question now is whether the generals can stay together and build a stable government, or whether Saigon will begin... will turn on... public opinion in Saigon, the intellectuals, students, etcetera, will turn on this government as repressive and undemocratic in the not too distant future.

https://millercenter.org/the-presidency/...on-of-diem

He regretted the decision. He viewed it as a choice, that America had, to encourage a coup or to discourage one.  Some in his administration said let's encourage it, some said no let's stick with Diem. In Kennedy's mind, "wait and see what happens" was not one of the options, and neither was "let's leave them alone from now on." In Kennedy's mind we were responsible for what happened in South Vietnam either way.  

Gen Z would call it "main character syndrome".  Kennedy wasn't going to withdraw from that stage when he was the star of it.

I disagree with that take as he clearly stated he was shocked. Yea they were discussing it but it is clear he had not ordered anything from reading that. Now since neither of us were there  neither of us can be "right" that includes you my friend.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

He regretted the decision. He viewed it as a choice, that America had, to encourage a coup or to discourage one.  Some in his administration said let's encourage it, some said no let's stick with Diem. In Kennedy's mind, "wait and see what happens" was not one of the options, and neither was "let's leave them alone from now on." In Kennedy's mind we were responsible for what happened in South Vietnam either way.  

Gen Z would call it "main character syndrome".  Kennedy wasn't going to withdraw from that stage when he was the star of it.

I disagree with that take as he clearly stated he was shocked. Yea they were discussing it but it is clear he had not ordered anything from reading that. Now since neither of us were there  neither of us can be "right" that includes you my friend.

Read some books on it.  Kennedy and some others close to him were shocked that "remove Diem" turned into "kill Diem." They wanted the guy to go into exile.  They didn't want him to die.

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Tangible proof JFK Jr. was correct in his assertion the CIA played a key role in his father's murder, not to mention his prophetic accusation Joe Biden was a traitor, before his "coincidental" plane crash benefitted Hillary Clinton's senatorial aspirations in New York.

Today's released files confirmed that Gary Underhill, a former military intelligence agent during WW II turned shadow operative who carried out special assignments for the CIA, was indeed murdered by the Bureau and not a casualty of "suicide". In other words, Lee Harvey Oswald was likely nothing more than a groomed patsy who provided the perfect communist scapegoat to pave the way for military action in Vietnam, which JKF adamantly opposed.

By perpetrating this grotesque lie, it's obvious both the Pentagon and our intelligence community conspired to kill the last patriotic Democratic president in our nation’s history; who, by no coincidence, was planning on splintering the CIA to combat their rogue activities. Sadly, the globalist descendants of those Deep State assassins who regularly orchestrated deadly psy-op missions and social engineering programs against U.S. citizens are continuing their sordid legacy of treasonous dealings today.

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I disagree with that take as he clearly stated he was shocked. Yea they were discussing it but it is clear he had not ordered anything from reading that. Now since neither of us were there  neither of us can be "right" that includes you my friend.

Read some books on it.  Kennedy and some others close to him were shocked that "remove Diem" turned into "kill Diem." They wanted the guy to go into exile.  They didn't want him to die.

Then why earlier today did you ask this question? (bold) My point has always been Kennedy did not order the CIA to do anything. He did think the CIA was exhibiting signs of a "state within a state" mentality. Can't remember the book

If Kennedy wanted to be less involved with South Vietnam, why did he order the CIA to kill Diem?

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

Read some books on it.  Kennedy and some others close to him were shocked that "remove Diem" turned into "kill Diem." They wanted the guy to go into exile.  They didn't want him to die.

Then why earlier today did you ask this question? (bold) My point has always been Kennedy did not order the CIA to do anything. He did think the CIA was exhibiting signs of a "state within a state" mentality. Can't remember the book

If Kennedy wanted to be less involved with South Vietnam, why did he order the CIA to kill Diem?

I'll admit I misspoke, but, it makes little difference to your point if Kennedy wanted Diem killed or just removed.  You and Drifter are saying Kennedy wanted to back away from the Vietnam situation.  He did not.  He ordered Diem to be removed.  

Diem refused to publicly call for increased US support, to possibly include ground troops.  That's why the US establishment, including JFK, decided to try to remove him.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Then why earlier today did you ask this question? (bold) My point has always been Kennedy did not order the CIA to do anything. He did think the CIA was exhibiting signs of a "state within a state" mentality. Can't remember the book

If Kennedy wanted to be less involved with South Vietnam, why did he order the CIA to kill Diem?

I'll admit I misspoke, but, it makes little difference to your point if Kennedy wanted Diem killed or just removed.  You and Drifter are saying Kennedy wanted to back away from the Vietnam situation.  He did not.  He ordered Diem to be removed.  

Diem refused to publicly call for increased US support, to possibly include ground troops.  That's why the US establishment, including JFK, decided to try to remove him.

Ok, we can agree on that, but JFK wasn't keen on what the CIA wanted. They offed him without orders. The CIA and Johnson wanted to go in JFK not. That, the Bay of Pigs and JFK talking about the CIA behaving like a State within a State most likely the reason they "arraigned" to take JFK out. You realize it has been 60 odd years right?  Any evidence or the ability to actually prove this or anything else is nonexistent right? At this point one opinion is as valid as the other. Maybe they had developed a top secret magic bullet ...

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

I'll admit I misspoke, but, it makes little difference to your point if Kennedy wanted Diem killed or just removed.  You and Drifter are saying Kennedy wanted to back away from the Vietnam situation.  He did not.  He ordered Diem to be removed.  

Diem refused to publicly call for increased US support, to possibly include ground troops.  That's why the US establishment, including JFK, decided to try to remove him.

Ok, we can agree on that, but JFK wasn't keen on what the CIA wanted. They offed him without orders. The CIA and Johnson wanted to go in JFK not. That, the Bay of Pigs and JFK talking about the CIA behaving like a State within a State most likely the reason they "arraigned" to take JFK out. You realize it has been 60 odd years right?  Any evidence or the ability to actually prove this or anything else is nonexistent right? At this point one opinion is as valid as the other. Maybe they had developed a top secret magic bullet ...

That's the one that was fired from the grassy knoll!  

You're right about the proof.  It's impossible to know what physical evidence was destroyed and/or simply never recorded and anyone with potential knowledge is late 80's at the youngest.

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