So you have no clue, it is not what you want to hear, so in that case just call him a liar. Got it. thanks ...lol

I have lots of clues.  That post gave you a lot of them.

All of the questions you posed are logical questions. However, it also shows you do not know the details of his business or the basis of his math. (no clue, just opinion) As for recruiting from all Democrats? That is quite a stretch or just snark doesn't matter. As for him posting a viral video, that is not him. That is others reading it. I told you already my position was that was his experience from running his business not necessarily a lie.

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I have lots of clues.  That post gave you a lot of them.

All of the questions you posed are logical questions. However, it also shows you do not know the details of his business or the basis of his math. (no clue, just opinion) As for recruiting from all Democrats? That is quite a stretch or just snark doesn't matter. As for him posting a viral video, that is not him. That is others reading it. I told you already my position was that was his experience from running his business not necessarily a lie.

Neither of us know exactly how his business works, true.  Can you explain, hypothetically, a way he might have gotten the information in a way that is both ethical and representative of the overall population of people in therapy?

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All of the questions you posed are logical questions. However, it also shows you do not know the details of his business or the basis of his math. (no clue, just opinion) As for recruiting from all Democrats? That is quite a stretch or just snark doesn't matter. As for him posting a viral video, that is not him. That is others reading it. I told you already my position was that was his experience from running his business not necessarily a lie.

Neither of us know exactly how his business works, true.  Can you explain, hypothetically, a way he might have gotten the information in a way that is both ethical and representative of the overall population of people in therapy?

Dude, not worth the effort being drawn into more circular guessing game with you. Guy posted his experience, people read it, it went viral through nothing he did. I just said you had no grounds to call him a liar based on unfounded opinions which are not facts. Maybe call him up and grill him. Calling people who do not agree with you liars (me included) seems to be your MO,

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

All of the questions you posed are logical questions. However, it also shows you do not know the details of his business or the basis of his math. (no clue, just opinion) As for recruiting from all Democrats? That is quite a stretch or just snark doesn't matter. As for him posting a viral video, that is not him. That is others reading it. I told you already my position was that was his experience from running his business not necessarily a lie.

Neither of us know exactly how his business works, true.  Can you explain, hypothetically, a way he might have gotten the information in a way that is both ethical and representative of the overall population of people in therapy?

I gave you possibilities but you chose to ignore them.

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At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

There is a simple and obvious possibility.  He may give each new patient a questionnaire in the introductory session, telling them to answer as much or as little as they wish.  The information could be used to help guide his therapy with each patient, or for statistical research only, without any patient identification.

They don't do that.
If they started, it would become a click bait outrage headline for the day.  "Psychologist says 'Conservatives are crazy'.  
It wouldn't be fair and it wouldn't be right, but it is exactly here w click bait headlines work.

Lol. Yes they do. Every doctor does this now but especially shrinks. They need to know what prompted you to be there, your symptoms, your list of meds, the diagnosis from your previous shrink if applicable. They'll ask about your home life, your work life, your hobbies, your family history of mental illness. 

At some point they'll probably figure out political leanings based on random info the patient gives. Hell, you can just look at some people and tell which side of the aisle they sit on. Back in the 90s I had a shrink who was full on hippie chick. Definitely liberal but not the hateful kind we see now. 

If a shrink (or any doctor) ever does start publicly talking about "conservatives are crazy!" or "liberals are crazy!" they won't be a practicing shrink for very long.

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They don't do that.
If they started, it would become a click bait outrage headline for the day.  "Psychologist says 'Conservatives are crazy'.  
It wouldn't be fair and it wouldn't be right, but it is exactly here w click bait headlines work.

Lol. Yes they do. Every doctor does this now but especially shrinks. They need to know what prompted you to be there, your symptoms, your list of meds, the diagnosis from your previous shrink if applicable. They'll ask about your home life, your work life, your hobbies, your family history of mental illness. 

At some point they'll probably figure out political leanings based on random info the patient gives. Hell, you can just look at some people and tell which side of the aisle they sit on. Back in the 90s I had a shrink who was full on hippie chick. Definitely liberal but not the hateful kind we see now. 

If a shrink (or any doctor) ever does start publicly talking about "conservatives are crazy!" or "liberals are crazy!" they won't be a practicing shrink for very long.

I actually agree with you! 
But that's not what Sneakers said. 
Sneakers said that they might directly ask political questions on a written questionnaire, but with an "answer as much it as little as you want" comment. They most definitely do not.

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Neither of us know exactly how his business works, true.  Can you explain, hypothetically, a way he might have gotten the information in a way that is both ethical and representative of the overall population of people in therapy?

I gave you possibilities but you chose to ignore them.

You said that he might have generalized based on broad polls including many different psychologists patients. 
But he said they were specifically his patients. So if he did do that, and got some kind of figure, but then represented that figure as applying to his patient specifically, he made a mistake, and the post is a lie.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

I gave you possibilities but you chose to ignore them.

You said that he might have generalized based on broad pulls including many different psychologists patients. 
But he said they were specifically his patients. So if he did do that, and got some kind of figure, but then represented that figure as applying to his patient specifically, he made a mistake, and the post is a lie.

LOL, cool your right to feel that way....

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There is a simple and obvious possibility.  He may give each new patient a questionnaire in the introductory session, telling them to answer as much or as little as they wish.  The information could be used to help guide his therapy with each patient, or for statistical research only, without any patient identification.

Lol. Yes they do. Every doctor does this now but especially shrinks. They need to know what prompted you to be there, your symptoms, your list of meds, the diagnosis from your previous shrink if applicable. They'll ask about your home life, your work life, your hobbies, your family history of mental illness. 

At some point they'll probably figure out political leanings based on random info the patient gives. Hell, you can just look at some people and tell which side of the aisle they sit on. Back in the 90s I had a shrink who was full on hippie chick. Definitely liberal but not the hateful kind we see now. 

If a shrink (or any doctor) ever does start publicly talking about "conservatives are crazy!" or "liberals are crazy!" they won't be a practicing shrink for very long.

I actually agree with you! 
But that's not what Sneakers said. 
Sneakers said that they might directly ask political questions on a written questionnaire, but with an "answer as much it as little as you want" comment. They most definitely do not.

LOL.  The word political does not even appear in my comment, nor did I say anything about specific questions.

"I'm collecting information for statistical research. There are blank questionnaires on the table, feel free to fill one out if you wish.  Answer whatever you're comfortable with and don't put your name on it, all information is anonymous   Just drop it in the box after you're done."

It's really that simple, you just can't admit there's even a chance that you're wrong.

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There is a simple and obvious possibility.  He may give each new patient a questionnaire in the introductory session, telling them to answer as much or as little as they wish.  The information could be used to help guide his therapy with each patient, or for statistical research only, without any patient identification.

I actually agree with you! 
But that's not what Sneakers said. 
Sneakers said that they might directly ask political questions on a written questionnaire, but with an "answer as much it as little as you want" comment. They most definitely do not.

LOL.  The word political does not even appear in my comment, nor did I say anything about specific questions.

"I'm collecting information for statistical research. There are blank questionnaires on the table, feel free to fill one out if you wish.  Answer whatever you're comfortable with and don't put your name on it, all information is anonymous   Just drop it in the box after you're done."

It's really that simple, you just can't admit there's even a chance that you're wrong.

Something like an open ended comment box would be a self-select survey (see Wikipedia : self select bias) and its results would not be significant or meaningful, statistically speaking.
A trained psychologist would know that.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

I gave you possibilities but you chose to ignore them.

You said that he might have generalized based on broad polls including many different psychologists patients. 
But he said they were specifically his patients. So if he did do that, and got some kind of figure, but then represented that figure as applying to his patient specifically, he made a mistake, and the post is a lie.

And I also offered that if nearly 90% of all people that seek counseling are liberals (based on a national general poll) then would it not be safe to say that nearly 90% of all of ”his” patients are liberal?

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At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

LOL.  The word political does not even appear in my comment, nor did I say anything about specific questions.

"I'm collecting information for statistical research. There are blank questionnaires on the table, feel free to fill one out if you wish.  Answer whatever you're comfortable with and don't put your name on it, all information is anonymous   Just drop it in the box after you're done."

It's really that simple, you just can't admit there's even a chance that you're wrong.

Something like an open ended comment box would be a self-select survey (see Wikipedia : self select bias) and its results would not be significant or meaningful, statistically speaking.
A trained psychologist would know that.

News flash.......It's impossible to conduct any survey that doesn't carry some inherent bias.  Maybe you've heard the phrase, "Margin of error"? 

Are you now agreeing that the therapist may have conducted such a survey, and are only disputing the accuracy of his findings?

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All of the questions you posed are logical questions. However, it also shows you do not know the details of his business or the basis of his math. (no clue, just opinion) As for recruiting from all Democrats? That is quite a stretch or just snark doesn't matter. As for him posting a viral video, that is not him. That is others reading it. I told you already my position was that was his experience from running his business not necessarily a lie.

Neither of us know exactly how his business works, true.  Can you explain, hypothetically, a way he might have gotten the information in a way that is both ethical and representative of the overall population of people in therapy?

So you made a declaration about something you don't know as fact and then proceed to argue that everyone else is wrong about your ignorance. As usual.

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You said that he might have generalized based on broad polls including many different psychologists patients. 
But he said they were specifically his patients. So if he did do that, and got some kind of figure, but then represented that figure as applying to his patient specifically, he made a mistake, and the post is a lie.

And I also offered that if nearly 90% of all people that seek counseling are liberals (based on a national general poll) then would it not be safe to say that nearly 90% of all of ”his” patients are liberal?

It would not be safe to say that, no.
And anyhow there is no such national, general poll.

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Something like an open ended comment box would be a self-select survey (see Wikipedia : self select bias) and its results would not be significant or meaningful, statistically speaking.
A trained psychologist would know that.

News flash.......It's impossible to conduct any survey that doesn't carry some inherent bias.  Maybe you've heard the phrase, "Margin of error"? 

Are you now agreeing that the therapist may have conducted such a survey, and are only disputing the accuracy of his findings?

If he had done a comment box style survey, the results would be inaccurate, and he would know that they were inaccurate. But he represented his results as being accurate. So this scenario also falls under the "he lied" possibility. 
As I said, there are really only two possibilities, either he was unethical, or he is lying.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Neither of us know exactly how his business works, true.  Can you explain, hypothetically, a way he might have gotten the information in a way that is both ethical and representative of the overall population of people in therapy?

So you made a declaration about something you don't know as fact and then proceed to argue that everyone else is wrong about your ignorance. As usual.

He was lying, or being unethical. I don't know which of those two it was, but I know it was one of those two. It's just logic. 
Imagine you told me that there are three points out in the universe, and I said, "those three points either form a line or a triangle." Then you argued, "how can you know that? I didn't tell you where the three points are. How can you tell me that I am wrong when you are ignorant?"
That's the corner you've backed yourself into. How's the view?

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And I also offered that if nearly 90% of all people that seek counseling are liberals (based on a national general poll) then would it not be safe to say that nearly 90% of all of ”his” patients are liberal?

It would not be safe to say that, no.
And anyhow there is no such national, general poll.

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News flash.......It's impossible to conduct any survey that doesn't carry some inherent bias.  Maybe you've heard the phrase, "Margin of error"? 

Are you now agreeing that the therapist may have conducted such a survey, and are only disputing the accuracy of his findings?

If he had done a comment box style survey, the results would be inaccurate, and he would know that they were inaccurate. But he represented his results as being accurate. So this scenario also falls under the "he lied" possibility. 
As I said, there are really only two possibilities, either he was unethical, or he is lying.

How the heck do you know there wasn’t some poll done by psychologist nationwide?  Man do you have your heels dug in deep on this.  Did that meme strike a nerve or what?

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At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

It would not be safe to say that, no.
And anyhow there is no such national, general poll.

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If he had done a comment box style survey, the results would be inaccurate, and he would know that they were inaccurate. But he represented his results as being accurate. So this scenario also falls under the "he lied" possibility. 
As I said, there are really only two possibilities, either he was unethical, or he is lying.

How the heck do you know there wasn’t some poll done by psychologist nationwide?  Man do you have your heels dug in deep on this.  Did that meme strike a nerve or what?

We're in a thread about TDS.  The mood was set for him way before the poll was mentioned.

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It would not be safe to say that, no.
And anyhow there is no such national, general poll.

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If he had done a comment box style survey, the results would be inaccurate, and he would know that they were inaccurate. But he represented his results as being accurate. So this scenario also falls under the "he lied" possibility. 
As I said, there are really only two possibilities, either he was unethical, or he is lying.

How the heck do you know there wasn’t some poll done by psychologist nationwide?  Man do you have your heels dug in deep on this.  Did that meme strike a nerve or what?

Maybe there was a nationwide general poll. I don't think there was, and if there was I don't think it would have shown that result, but it's not material to what we're talking about either way. He said he was talking about his own clients. He did not say that he looked at polling data and generalized about his clients from there. Your scenario is plausible, but it falls under the category, "he was lying". 
as for whether nerves were struck, it takes two to tango. You guys really seem to want this s*** to be true.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

How the heck do you know there wasn’t some poll done by psychologist nationwide?  Man do you have your heels dug in deep on this.  Did that meme strike a nerve or what?

Maybe there was a nationwide general poll. I don't think there was, and if there was I don't think it would have shown that result, but it's not material to what we're talking about either way. He said he was talking about his own clients. He did not say that he looked at polling data and generalized about his clients from there. Your scenario is plausible, but it falls under the category, "he was lying". 
as for whether nerves were struck, it takes two to tango. You guys really seem to want this s*** to be true.

Not at all true.  If you were to listen to any one of the numerous voices of reason here, you would recognize this (though probably still not admit it).  The point we're making is that YOU cannot definitively say it isn't true.  You have offered nothing more than your opinion, which tends to be somewhat less than open-minded.

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Maybe there was a nationwide general poll. I don't think there was, and if there was I don't think it would have shown that result, but it's not material to what we're talking about either way. He said he was talking about his own clients. He did not say that he looked at polling data and generalized about his clients from there. Your scenario is plausible, but it falls under the category, "he was lying". 
as for whether nerves were struck, it takes two to tango. You guys really seem to want this s*** to be true.

Not at all true.  If you were to listen to any one of the numerous voices of reason here, you would recognize this (though probably still not admit it).  The point we're making is that YOU cannot definitively say it isn't true.  You have offered nothing more than your opinion, which tends to be somewhat less than open-minded.

You're right! That's why all along I've allowed for a second possibility, which is, it's true, but he's unethical if it's true.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.