This just in. Gov. Scott says he's coming out of the closet. Wow. This governors race is getting interesting. After leaving Key West, he claims he was misunderstood...but hey...a vote is a vote.

Crist claimed he has a walk in closet so his coming out will bring more with him.



Ok. That being said...politics is the biggest shameless, two faced occupation there is. When Scott turned and supported a bill giving illegal .... Err.....undocumented residents in state tuition I hurled. Unbelievable.


But the comment stating party affiliations is what screws up the process was spot on. There too many with personal agendas...and not just the partyies, politicians,etc , but voters as well.

IMO.... The GOP has splintered. The Dems are slicker.

I'll take any bets now...if Hillary runs...she wins.

No dog in the hunt, just my thoughts.

Now to get the young voters out and put weed on the ballot. You think Morgan et al give a rats [BLEEP] about the health issue?

 

Hillary Clinton will never be president.  Just like 2008, the democrats will find someone they actually like more to be the nominee.  It could still be a woman.  It won't be a Clinton.  Book it. 

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Hillary Clinton will never be president.  Just like 2008, the democrats will find someone they actually like more to be the nominee.  It could still be a woman.  It won't be a Clinton.  Book it. 

 

Agreed.  That chick has more baggage than a Kardashian on vacation.

 

With that being said, there's nothing the Democrats want more than a viable female candidate.  Criticism about Obama has been deflected as racism.  With a female candidate they could stave off criticism using the sexism label. 

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Agreed.  That chick has more baggage than a Kardashian on vacation.

 

She's not some beloved figure.  She's a bitter shrew who is already doing everything she can to undermine any potential run.  When the dust settles, I'm betting she decides she'd rather return to her impoverished lifestyle in Chappaqua because the party machine has made it clear she won't be the nominee.  She can suffer in silence while Slick Willy is off with the "Energizer" the Secret Service sneaks in for visits.

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

How about we do something about our own borders, then and only then would I consider doing something about Israel's borders.

 

Why would we [BAD WORD REMOVED] off our only ally in the Middle East who is fighting a Palestian terror group that is "trying" to be "exterminated" by religious zeallous who want to only keep Isreal as a Muslim state?

 

I am a staunch Obama supporter, but ever since he has been in office its kinda ironic the most recent deadly wars between Isreal and the Palestine have taken place on his watch. Lets not forget he wavered in his support of Isreal when he first took office.

Some time after 2016.

 

I fear that would be too late.

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Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.

On this whole wealth/welfare thing I have a suggestion.

 

Start capping off the CEO, corporate pay rates, bonuses, increases based upon how many of their employees file for goverment assistance each year.

 

ie Walmart. If the CEO makes a annual salary 26 million a year, and 60% percent of his employees at brick and mortar stores/warehouses make poverty wages, deduct that from his pay at the end of the year.

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Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.

Political discussion is a little like religious discussion. Those threads always degrade to cursing, name calling, and random keyboard smashing.  Always.

 

 

You are so dumb, you probably think Eve only married Adam because he was the only one to give her a third date … He even shared his Rib dinner. What the hell did that Snake have to offer? An Apple. --------- #$(NFS!((9zzzYnmm#HULKmwp#SMASHPPPPPP69llllAAA$$$WwW---BR549-KMG366

 

 

Just got this message from rollerjag

 

"Have fun, just remember to be respectful of others. The lack thereof is what got political discussion banned. I know this, as I was one of the worst offenders."

 

 

 

He banned himself? How can a mod be "one of the worst offenders"? ... Was that a challenge?

 

 

 

Accepted!  :whistling:

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I forgot the disclaimer ...

 

I do LOVE me some God ... So don't none of you get me started, and all will be fine.  :yes: 

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The Dems aren't slicker.  They have the media in their pocket.  

 

Yep, pretty much this

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I forgot the disclaimer ...

 

I do LOVE me some God ... So don't none of you get me started, and all will be fine.  :yes: 

Religion still isn't allowed!

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

On this whole wealth/welfare thing I have a suggestion.

 

Start capping off the CEO, corporate pay rates, bonuses, increases based upon how many of their employees file for goverment assistance each year.

 

ie Walmart. If the CEO makes a annual salary 26 million a year, and 60% percent of his employees at brick and mortar stores/warehouses make poverty wages, deduct that from his pay at the end of the year.

 

I'm sorry but your idea is flawed on so many levels I just don't even know where to start or if your serious. 

 

Assuming your serious here's the problems with taking CEO income and "redistributing" his income to lower income workers. 1st of all there's nothing wrong with offering low wage low skill employment so penalizing an individual for offering remedial jobs and that's what walmart is a remedial job even in management only incentives them to eliminate the remedial jobs. You already are seeing a move towards the "self-check out" future. 

 

that's what you've seen with the ACA, the law says anyone working more than 30 hours in a company of 50 employees or more will either be given coverage or the company penalized, so the companies said ok if we can't get under 50 employees we will hire double the employees and put them all at 29 hours.

 

Once again shuffling money around so it distributed more evenly accomplishes nothing, it produces nothing. 

 

As for Israel I'm a firm supporter of Israel. I believe they are perfectly within their rights to defend themselves, however we can not spend money we do not have. There is nothing noble or honorable about compromising our future to ensure the future of another nation. If Israel wants the United States to be around in 20 year's they'll understand right now we have to fix our mess at home. 

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It would also create an atmosphere where states absolutely would seek to harp down on fraud which is a huge problem with welfare.

Bingo!!


This is a big issue to many people in my area of the country. Welfare fraud is rampant. It really is ridiculous.


I'm all for giving assistance to everyone that legitimately need it, as there are many cases that do.

However, there are so many people in my area that have been getting varying forms of "entitlements" for years, that have no business receiving them. There are jobs available, yet they won't (actually refuse to) work. Disability is also severely abused by many here who mow their lawns, dig/plant gardens, work on vehicles and homes,, etc.. Its sickening.

I've worked for a lot of years alongside many peers making a decent "middle class" wage. It sickens many of us to see quite many people in our area that are more than capable of working like us, but won't. And, it seems that they don't struggle as much as we do (no rent/mortgage,, free phones,, food allotments,, clothing allotments,, sizeable disability/SSI checks,, etc.). In all honesty, it makes us that are working feel like we are the big suckers, working everyday when we could go with the fraudulent route too.


Yes, welfare/assistance/entitlement (whatever you want to call it) is a necessary program for many people who legitimately need it. But, I seriously doubt that anyone will ever look to really clean up all the fraud. The more people that are given entitlements (legitimate or not), the more those same people will keep voting for the party/politicians that keep giving them their "free" living. It's all political power play, and it's a big part in wrecking this country's finances,, IMO.


Sad stuff.

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I'm sorry but your idea is flawed on so many levels I just don't even know where to start or if your serious. 

 

Assuming your serious here's the problems with taking CEO income and "redistributing" his income to lower income workers. 1st of all there's nothing wrong with offering low wage low skill employment so penalizing an individual for offering remedial jobs and that's what walmart is a remedial job even in management only incentives them to eliminate the remedial jobs. You already are seeing a move towards the "self-check out" future. 

 

that's what you've seen with the ACA, the law says anyone working more than 30 hours in a company of 50 employees or more will either be given coverage or the company penalized, so the companies said ok if we can't get under 50 employees we will hire double the employees and put them all at 29 hours.

 

Once again shuffling money around so it distributed more evenly accomplishes nothing, it produces nothing. 

 

As for Israel I'm a firm supporter of Israel. I believe they are perfectly within their rights to defend themselves, however we can not spend money we do not have. There is nothing noble or honorable about compromising our future to ensure the future of another nation. If Israel wants the United States to be around in 20 year's they'll understand right now we have to fix our mess at home. 

 

Do you realize in today's society that more and more people are working TWO jobs and are still living below the poverty line with a college education that have to rely on welfare, public housing, financial aid? The gap between Middle and lower class is shrinking to a point where there is poverty-low class-high class.

 

Im going to assume you are looking at a bubble of me just simply talking about "redistribution". When my response is more complex than that.

 

My point is you cant  moan about welfare and wanting to eliminate/reduce it without improving pay to employees. Simple as that. Doesnt matter what type of job it is.  

 

On that note are you willing to even address corporate welfare and the MILLIONS of tax breaks Fortune 500 companies have received while some of their very own employees are on government assistance?

 

The Health care system was a screw up BEFORE and will be screwed up during and even after the existence of the ACA. Employers were handing out sub standard benefits and health care before the ACA went into effect. 

 

Again as for Isreal, what makes you think we are compromising our future to protect theirs? The goal of Hamas is to spread the power of Islam and they will start by "wiping Israel off the map". That rhetoric also applies to the U.S. as well. So believe it or not, both U.S. and Israel's futures are tied into each other's hand. 

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Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.

Israel is screwed insomuch as they have pretty much zero support from the US anymore. That's ridiculous and pretty saddening. The thousands who recently protested in Chicago against Israel and in support of Hamas need to take a good long vacation in Gaza or perhaps Syria or Northern Iraq or Maybe even Iran. They will learn pretty darn quick how utterly ignorant and dangerous their stupid stupid stupid actions are.

 

They (the stupid protestors)  live in a free country, so they are free to do so. Hopefully someday it doesn't get a whole lot of people killed.

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Do you realize in today's society that more and more people are working TWO jobs and are still living below the poverty line with a college education that have to rely on welfare, public housing, financial aid? The gap between Middle and lower class is shrinking to a point where there is poverty-low class-high class.


Im going to assume you are looking at a bubble of me just simply talking about "redistribution". When my response is more complex than that.


My point is you cant moan about welfare and wanting to eliminate/reduce it without improving pay to employees. Simple as that. Doesnt matter what type of job it is.


On that note are you willing to even address corporate welfare and the MILLIONS of tax breaks Fortune 500 companies have received while some of their very own employees are on government assistance?


The Health care system was a screw up BEFORE and will be screwed up during and even after the existence of the ACA. Employers were handing out sub standard benefits and health care before the ACA went into effect.


Again as for Isreal, what makes you think we are compromising our future to protect theirs? The goal of Hamas is to spread the power of Islam and they will start by "wiping Israel off the map". That rhetoric also applies to the U.S. as well. So believe it or not, both U.S. and Israel's futures are tied into each other's hand.

I'm not a welfare basher I don't belittle nor ridicule people that need help heck I've been there and in many ways I still am.


I argue about what creates those situations and how to fix them. If you've read this thread you would see I openly oppose corporate welfare I believe no company is to big to fail and it was pretty much the kiss of death for me when bush gave the first bailout in 07.


As for welfare here's the reality either it is reformed soon or it won't be available for anyone in the near future. Making states responsible for their own is only a step In the right direction.


Secondly it is not the governments responsibility to create or develop good jobs. The best thing to create good jobs would be for government to stop giving special interest large corporations advantages through legislation.


The ACA did nothing other than mandate you as a private individual be forced by threat of government to purchase a private industries product. Someone who hates the big corporate world I'd assume you'd hate being mandated to purchase a service or face government fines. ACA was practically written by insurance companies.


17 trillion dollars that's why I say we can't fund Israel's military campaign. Every penny we spend at this point is being borrowed. When your home is under the threat of foreclosure do you pay for your neighbors security system?

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I'm a right winger.  Conservative with a bit of libertarian.  I'm one who thinks that the largest form government one should encounter is local.  Size of the next levels of government should be reduced from there, with the federal government being the smallest.  If liberalism and large governments are your thing, move to a town/city/county that features one.  Do the opposite if if prefer small government.  But when the federal government becomes too large, it becomes inescapable.  So, me, I'd like to see a massive reduction in the federal government.

 

Also, pandering politicians will be the death of us.  As soon as a population figures out they can vote themselves goodies from the public treasury, a slide towards tyranny begins. 

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I'm a right winger.  Conservative with a bit of libertarian.  I'm one who thinks that the largest form government one should encounter is local.  Size of the next levels of government should be reduced from there, with the federal government being the smallest.  If liberalism and large governments are your thing, move to a town/city/county that features one.  Do the opposite if if prefer small government.  But when the federal government becomes too large, it becomes inescapable.  So, me, I'd like to see a massive reduction in the federal government.

 

Also, pandering politicians will be the death of us.  As soon as a population figures out they can vote themselves goodies from the public treasury, a slide towards tyranny begins. 

Well said, however you got the tense wrong on the closing sentence. It has begun. It is very alive and well.

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Well said, however you got the tense wrong on the closing sentence. It has begun. It is very alive and well.

 

Oh, without any doubt.  I was speaking in a general sense, but with the US, yes, the ship has sailed.

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Plus, at the core of Hamas is an idea and you can't defeat an idea. 

 

At the core of Nazism was an idea - and that was killed.

 

At the core of Communism was an idea - and that was killed.

 

History kills bad ideas all the time.

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The sun's not yellow, it's chicken.

I'm a registered Independent, right-leaning though.


I don't like the ACA. It hit my corporation hard, because we're a medical device manufacturer. In the ACA, there is a yearly 2.5% Excise Tax to any medical device companies. It costs the company approximately 25 Million dollars per year.


The Supreme Court passed ACA because it is a tax. The conservative judge (Roberts? I think) passed it because he said something like "The ACA is essentially just a tax, and the government can constitutionally tax the citizens."

I'm paraphrasing him, of course. But, I'm pretty sure that's what went down.

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