The above is how an intelligent man debates with people of different opinion. 

 

Notice the distinct difference in tact between how the above conservative argues and the many liberals in the thread that are so quick to name call and insult or use shady argumentative tactics when they are faced with a differing opinion. 

 

Coincidence? Doubt it. 

 

Many of us could learn a thing or 2 from how the above person debates. 

 

I must have missed where people name called or insulted one another in this thread.

 

Ironically, most of those who hurl insults on this board (in general) come from the conservative crowd. Coincidence? Nah. That would fall under your logic of thinking.

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Does anyone else have to suppress a Beavis and Butthead moment whenever they hear about the LGBT community shoving something down someone's throat?

Uhhhh...now I do. Huh-huh.

 

I must have missed where people name called or insulted one another in this thread.

 

Ironically, most of those who hurl insults on this board (in general) come from the conservative crowd. Coincidence? Nah. That would fall under your logic of thinking.

Posts with name-calling were probably deleted by a very weary rollerjag.

 

Political ideology has nothing to do with proclivity to hurling insults. I've seen plenty launched from both sides.

 

What was this thread about, again?

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The above is how an intelligent man debates with people of different opinion. 

 

Notice the distinct difference in tact between how the above conservative argues and the many liberals in the thread that are so quick to name call and insult or use shady argumentative tactics when they are faced with a differing opinion. 

 

Coincidence? Doubt it. 

 

Many of us could learn a thing or 2 from how the above person debates.

For someone so openly against homosexuality, there is a serious bromance budding here.

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Only a chump boos the home team!

Fwiw d6, I had respect for you before and still respect you. I do respect tmd more. It's nice that I can sit back and watch this convo knowing at least two people at least on this board share my same views.

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Fwiw d6, I had respect for you before and still respect you. I do respect tmd more. It's nice that I can sit back and watch this convo knowing at least two people at least on this board share my same views.

 

 

Thanks, xJAGGYx.   Your support and line of thinking is greatly appreciated!

 

Also,  I want to thank the Mods that have handled this thread.   Even with the difficult decision to remove some posts,   you did a very good job in keeping the thread going,  and giving people a chance to respond as much as possible under the COC.  

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For someone so openly against homosexuality, there is a serious bromance budding here.

 

Wow, shockingly typical response.... yawn. 

 

You guys never deviate from your script, do you?

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Thanks, xJAGGYx.   Your support and line of thinking is greatly appreciated!

 

Also,  I want to thank the Mods that have handled this thread.   Even with the difficult decision to remove some posts,   you did a very good job in keeping the thread going,  and giving people a chance to respond as much as possible under the COC.

Just so we are clear, when I said I respect tmd more, I meant more than I did previously not so much more respect than you or vis versa. Just re read my post and saw how it can come across the wrong way.

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Lighten up Francis. I have been respectful throughout and tried to lift the mood of what has been an ideologically painful thread. No need to get all butt hurt.

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Only a chump boos the home team!

he has every right to have his opinion.

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I agree, too, D6. Freedom of expression/ opinion is what makes this country great. 

 

Most conservatives that I talk to feel that way, too. It seems to be the liberals that always want to silence the other side. Possibly out of fear/ guilt. 

 

You are the King of the Strawmen. You constantly set up circumstances that no one has advocated - and then you argue against them!

 

A real freedom fighter aren't you? Who is trying to silence the other side? Show me, please.

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The sun's not yellow, it's chicken.

I respect your point of view - in the sense that you are articulate and don't pull the TMD ploy of claiming to dislike name calling, while yelling "liberal" at any and all that disagree...

 

 

Citing someone as liberal or conservative isn't name calling. If they were merely responding with "conservative" I wouldn't view that as "name calling". Go back to post 59 where I gave my opinion and then read some of the posts following it. As said, name calling and insults - its the liberal way when you don't tow their line. 

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I find the debate revolving gay marriage to be similar to the debate behind interracial relationships.

 

I don't care how you feel about it, but you shouldn't be able to control whether I want to do it or not because it offends you, and I shouldn't be able to tell you you're wrong just because you don't like it.

 

Having said that, D6 and TMD, I respect that you're both not afraid to voice your opinions on this subject. In a world where people are often shunned for having a "wrong" opinion, I think it's only fair that they're respected, whether I disagree with them or otherwise.

 

On the topic of David Tyree, I don't agree with the groups trying to get him ousted, but they often get their way.

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THERE IS A SKELETON INSIDE OF YOU.

 

RIGHT NOW. THIS IS NOT A JOKE.

Intolerant?? Thats a laugh. Liberals always preach tolerance, but only apply it when you go along with what they believe in. 

 

I'm not one who's forcing anyone to agree with any of my beliefs. What I say about the slippery slope thing is my OPINION on how it will evolve over time. 

 

I'm pro-traditional relationships/ traditional marriage. Like the Chick Fil A guy....I'm wrongly labeled and branded a hater/ homophobe for that. Thats how liberals roll. Its the way they argue. Its tactical. They don't think you can see it, but I do. 

 

 

I don't hate gays, nor do I deprive them of their equality.

 

My biggest issue has always been the Liberals trying to FORCE their agenda/ mindthink at every turn, being they control the media and largely control education.  

 

Who said you were forcing your beliefs on anyone?  I realize this is your opinion.  Am I not able to give my opinion?  It is a message board.  Many things evolve over time.  Some good and some bad.  My point was you are comparing two completely different things.  It is wrong in my opinion to compare those two things regardless of how you feel about pro-traditional marriage.  Do you dislike pedophiles?  

 

Who labeled you a hater/homophobe?  Be specific because the too many people on this board just cast out a net.  

 

Some Liberals try to force their agenda on people just as Republicans force their agenda on people.  Hence why most States still don't allow gay marriage.  It works both ways.  Lets not pretend it doesn't.  

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From my perspective,  there's a huge difference between women and black rights compared to supporting ' Gay Marriage'.  As in 180 degrees.   I gladly have and plan on continuing to support true Conservative Women and Blacks for office and in general.   On the other hand,  I can never accept ' Gay Marriage'  because of something that we aren't suppose to discuss on the Forum:  Religious reasons.  

 

I never said that being gay has anything directly to do with pedophilia   However,  I strongly believe that many activists that have supported ' Gay Marriage'  will eventually push the bar trying to legitimize pedaphilla.   It's very difficult to express my views without discussing religion.   But in the most general terms,   there are those that want to separate themselves from religion as much as possible.   Some of those individuals emerge as activists.     While you might view ' Gay Marriage'  as progress,  I view it as regress.   In America,  we still have the right to have differing opinions.

 

There is a huge difference between supporting and respecting another group of people.  Big difference.  So they don't have anything to do with each other, but there are gay people who are pedophiles just like their are straight people who are pedophiles...  Ummm, okay?  Why would a gay person that is a pedophile push the bar anymore then a straight person that is a pedophile?  Again, these things have nothing to do with each other.  Not directly and not indirectly.  Two separate issues completely.  It is pretty offensive when you say things like that.  

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You are the King of the Strawmen. You constantly set up circumstances that no one has advocated - and then you argue against them!

 

A real freedom fighter aren't you? Who is trying to silence the other side? Show me, please.

 

Oh yeah and it is pretty annoying.  

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Cognitive dissonance: Mental conflict that occurs when beliefs or assumptions are contradicted by new information. The concept was introduced by the psychologist Leon Festinger (1919–89) in the late 1950s. He and later researchers showed that, when confronted with challenging new information, most people seek to preserve their current understanding of the world by rejecting, explaining away, or avoiding the new information or by convincing themselves that no conflict really exists. Cognitive dissonance is nonetheless considered an explanation for attitude change.

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Only a chump boos the home team!

Cognitive dissonance: Mental conflict that occurs when beliefs or assumptions are contradicted by new information. The concept was introduced by the psychologist Leon Festinger (1919–89) in the late 1950s. He and later researchers showed that, when confronted with challenging new information, most people seek to preserve their current understanding of the world by rejecting, explaining away, or avoiding the new information or by convincing themselves that no conflict really exists. Cognitive dissonance is nonetheless considered an explanation for attitude change.

 

Good post.

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I really don't feel like going through all of the posts in this thread, just as I don't feel like going over the other thread regarding MIchael Sam. It's pretty clear there's a great divide on this subject. Still, all these conversations do remind me of a certain scene from The Newsroom.

 

Let's fix the internet!

 

http://youtu.be/KkDUIGg3MGk?t=53s

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Just playing devils advocate, but shouldn't it be the same way for someone who feels the opposite?  There are a lot of outspoken players for gay marriage, but nobody worries if they are offending anyone.

Statements like that will definitely lead you to the leper colonies and re-education camps.

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What lies behind us, and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.







 

Holy crap!!! I just fell off my chair. 

 

You obviously aren't a "true" liberal. 

 

 

But kudos, if the above is truly how you are and not just a facade. 

 

Thats how I see it too. Most of my ire on the homosexual topic comes from the point of view from a certain sect that "if you are "pro-traditional family"/ "traditional marriage", that you are a "hater" and using "hate speech". Remember the flack the guy from Chick Fil-A received for merely expressing his "pro traditional marriage" views???

 

Its crap. They do it intentionally as a thought-bullying tactic.

Maybe the gay people wanting to get married don't like being lumped into the "pedophile" conversation either.

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???