I'd prefer he starts but won't be upset if he sits. There really isnt a right or wrong answer unlike what some of you think. Some players (Manning) think young qbs are better off playing early and taking their lumps. Some think the opposite. I personally don't think it matters. A good qb will be good regardless of how he's developed.


I think he will be successful if he sits or if he starts right away so I'm good either way.

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I'd prefer he starts but won't be upset if he sits. There really isnt a right or wrong answer unlike what some of you think. Some players (Manning) think young qbs are better off playing early and taking their lumps. Some think the opposite. I personally don't think it matters. A good qb will be good regardless of how he's developed.


I think he will be successful if he sits or if he starts right away so I'm good either way.

I think he could play right away as well because he's mentally strong and willing to learn from his mistakes instead of being afraid to make mistakes.


But I understand. The jaguars are no Super Bowl contenders this year. Have him sit and learn and observe and limit the chance of injury as well.

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I'd prefer he starts but won't be upset if he sits. There really isnt a right or wrong answer unlike what some of you think. Some players (Manning) think young qbs are better off playing early and taking their lumps. Some think the opposite. I personally don't think it matters. A good qb will be good regardless of how he's developed.


I think he will be successful if he sits or if he starts right away so I'm good either way.

 

We have almost an entirely new offensive line and entirely new wide receivers.   In that situation, I would prefer a veteran QB to start out.  Then at least someone will know why a play broke down.   If we also had a rookie QB out there, it could be mass confusion.  

 

I am in the camp that says, let's get the offensive line and wide receivers straightened out and then put in Bortles.  Because in the current situation, with all the new offensive linemen and wide receivers, I don't think he'll learn a whole lot by playing.  

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Does Bradley knock Henne for being inconsistent also?

 

I am sure he has. But the bottom line is that, our receivers are still unproven, our offensive lineman are new and still developing together. And atleast Henne has a year under his belt in Fisch's system.

 

You say "being consistent just comes with time and patience and practice". How much time and patience and practice? Henne has been in the league going on 7 years now and he is the epitome of Inconsistent.

 

How much time, patience, and practice is up to the football player and the personnel decision makers. And I don't disagree with Henne being inconsistent throughout his career. But I'd rather him take the punches right now with a young offense around him. Rather then throw Bortles out there which could potentially rock his confidence and hurt/hinder his development mentally. When you've got a Greatsword to fight with. You don't run out into battle with it dulled. You take your time with it, you sharpen it up.

 

I don't really remember back when Henne was a rookie and how inconsistent he was, but I know that right now 7 years later, he is still very inconsistent out there on the football field.

 

Agreed.

 

I can only assume he is better today as a 6/7 yr vet then he was as a rookie, but that doesn't change the fact that he is still very inconsistent as a starting NFL QB.

 

Agreed.

 

How much more time, patience and practice will it take for Henne to become more consistent as a starting NFL QB?

 

Henne has reached his ceiling. We all know that. But, again, this is not about Henne. This is about protecting our investment in Bortles and getting it right this time. Where is the fire? We'll see soon enough with Bortles. My whole point is that, over the last ten years, we've failed not once, but twice with top ten selected QB's. And you cannot mess that up.

 

I'm not saying Bortles should start over because I do believe that he can learn a lot from watching from the sideline.

 

That's the point.

 

And yes, there are even things he can learn from watching Henne play. He can learn the importance of being consistent for one thing.

 

Exactly. I think he'll learn a bit more than that though. Henne might be a lot of things. He may be inconsistent, etc. But atleast the guy has managed to stick around for six or seven years. And it's not because he's flatout terrible. He does enough. This fanbase has to be patience though. Good football years are ahead of us. But we can wait a bit longer. What's the harm in letting Henne play this year and next while Caldwell continues to develop a roster to enable Bortles to be succesful?

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Will they be one player away from the playoffs next year?

 

You're never one player away.

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I'm trying to make myself more informed and less opinionated.

Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!

You're never one player away.

 

In a strictly literal sense... that's very true.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

In a strictly literal sense... that's very true.

 

The 1994/ 1995 Cowboys were....Deion Sanders. 

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You start him because he is the best QB on the roster. If he isn't, you don't. But you don't sit him just because.

 

You really don't get it at all, if all you think it's about is "just because."

 

Caldrac nailed it.

 

It has absolutely nothing to do with who you think is better.

 

He's simply not consistent as they'd like him to be yet.  Only when he gets there, will it even become a talking point.  But it hasn't even gotten to that point yet, and the plan is still for next year.  Sorry if that disappoints you, but that's the situation.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

The 1994/ 1995 Cowboys were....Deion Sanders. 

 

False.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

False.

 

Evidence suggests otherwise, but whatever, its not that important. 

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Evidence suggests otherwise, but whatever, its not that important. 

 

LOL... every single shred of evidence proves it's false.

 

You must be off your meds.  You've been extra willfully ignorant lately... even for you.

 

So no one on that team had a ring, much less two rings, before Deion arrived.  Aikman, Irvin, and Smith (since you didn't know... the "triplets")... all bums that couldn't win without Deion.

 

Just asinine...  This is quickly escalating into one of your finest moments on the board.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

LOL... every single shred of evidence proves it's false.

 

You must be off your meds.  You've been extra willfully ignorant lately... even for you.

 

So no one on that team had a ring, much less two rings, before Deion arrived.  Aikman, Irvin, and Smith (since you didn't know... the "triplets")... all bums that couldn't win without Deion.

 

Just asinine...  This is quickly escalating into one of your finest moments on the board.

 

They won their rings in 1992, 1993 seasons. Then in 1994, when Jimmy Johnson was gone and the Niners added Deion, what Dallas had at that point wasn't enough as they lost in the 1994 NFCC game to the Niners. The very next year, the Cowboys added Deion and ultimately went on to win the SB. Not sure what you aren't seeing. 

 

Are you suggesting that had the Niners kept Deion that Dallas would still have won it all in 1995? lol, if anyone is being "asinine", its you. 

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The college fanboy allegience to players in Florida seems to be strong on this board. I won't back down from that assertion.

 

I'm happy with Bortles since the draft however, despite wanting the Jags to draft Bridgewater. I still think Bridgewater will wind up the best QB from that draft. Bortles should be at least 2nd, though. He's impressed me with how he's handled himself since the draft as opposed to someone like Johnny Alcohol whose been the opposite, over that time. 

 

I'd bet you can't find a single bad/ negative comment from me aimed Bortles way from May 10 onward. Go ahead - try to find one. 

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They won their rings in 1992, 1993 seasons. Then in 1994, when Jimmy Johnson was gone and the Niners added Deion, what Dallas had at that point wasn't enough as they lost in the 1994 NFCC game to the Niners. The very next year, the Cowboys added Deion and ultimately went on to win the SB. Not sure what you aren't seeing. 

This is largely correct.

 

While Dallas did add other players like Kevin Williams and Ray Donaldson, the catalyst is largely viewed as Deion Sanders-if nothing else by taking him away from SF.

 

Adding Charles Haley in 1992 was also a catalyst addition to put them in the Super Bowl in 1992.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

They won their rings in 1992, 1993 seasons. Then in 1994, when Jimmy Johnson was gone and the Niners added Deion, what Dallas had at that point wasn't enough as they lost in the 1994 NFCC game to the Niners. The very next year, the Cowboys added Deion and ultimately went on to win the SB. Not sure what you aren't seeing. 

 

Are you suggesting that had the Niners kept Deion that Dallas would still have won it all in 1995? lol, if anyone is being "asinine", its you. 

 

Just... wow.  Fantasy football really skews the way the game is perceived by those obsessed with it, for sure.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

I'd prefer he starts but won't be upset if he sits. There really isnt a right or wrong answer unlike what some of you think. Some players (Manning) think young qbs are better off playing early and taking their lumps. Some think the opposite. I personally don't think it matters. A good qb will be good regardless of how he's developed.


I think he will be successful if he sits or if he starts right away so I'm good either way.

This is pretty muck exactly what I have been saying.

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I predict the 'Resistance' will fall after week 3 of the preseason. He'll start this season. And at his rate by week 1.

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No one is safe.

I predict the 'Resistance' will fall after week 3 of the preseason. He'll start this season. And at his rate by week 1.

 

I have moved from "leave him on the bench" to neutral.   Trending towards starting him but haven't got there yet. 

 

One man's wishy-washiness is another man's open mindedness.   I will say I am open-minded. 

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Gus had some perspective on Bortles when asked at the Sat. presser.  

 

(paraphrased)  He's right where we expected. His poise was great. He made good decisions but had 2 mental errors. (he alluded to a check at the L.O.S.)

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