I'm against spanking.  I don't think it should be illegal.  But I certainly think that leaving marks and bruises is where the line should be drawn.  My grandfather was as old fashioned as they come, and he only had one occasion to have to whip one of his seven kids.  I'd only call someone an 'idiot' on the matter if they thought that the problem with society today is that there aren't enough spankings.

 

A friend of mine was a victim of physical and sexual abuse growing up.  She managed to turn out okay (she's not a criminal in any case).  But I don't think that's proof that every victim of those abuses will turn out fine. Some will.  Some won't.  That's how it is.  Just because some turn out alright, doesn't make it right IMO.

 This.

 

And thats been my whole entire point. 

 

In today's society, there are multiple ways parents can effectively discipline their kids.  People have become more educated on how corporal punishment effects a child psychological development. There are parents who cross the line and severely beat their kids to where that child is effected for life because of how their parent treated them. 

 

You must've been hit in the head too much as a child. My post said "abuse and whippings" and not spanking or other much lesser forms of corporal punishment. The fact that you support whipping four year old children is what makes you an idiot.

 

I go from responding to a mature adult above to this.

 

I believe in disciplining a child. 

 

Your lack of class is really showing.

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Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.

Are you serious?  OK I will show you a post where you support child abuse.  It's in your very next sentence.  "Whippings work for others".  Whipping a child is abuse.  Is whipping your adult wife not domestic abuse?  Yet let's take that same action and apply it to a four year old and it somehow in your mind magically becomes acceptable.

 

As an aside, things like slavery, drunk driving, smoking cigarettes while pregnant, no voting rights for women, child labor, etc. were once thought to be socially acceptable.  Our culture changes and grows over time and through the generations.  Whippings and other severe forms of corporal punishment were widely accepted in the past and the proponents of these tactics today use bible verses and historical anecdotes as their main reasons why it should still be OK to whip a small child.  Perhaps the past generations had it wrong and there are more effective ways to discipline a child?  And there are more options than a simple timeout or the whip.

 

People love to say that they were whipped like AP's child and they turned out just fine.  In fact no you did not turn out just fine.  You developed into an adult that believes it is OK to whip a 4 year old child.  This fact alone tells me that you are not "fine".

 

Whipping is not child abuse if the child is not physically hurt or emotionally scarred.

 

You lose credibility trying to apply this same logic to an adult. People are trying to teach their kids right from wrong, respect, and honesty. Whipping your spouse makes you an abuser, not disciplinarian. 

 

Last time I check, slavery, child labor, drunk driving still exist. 

 

Im not "ok" if I believe disciplining a child is a good parenting. 

 

You really sound like one of those parents who call the police after seeing someone quick spank their child in the grocery store for misbehaving, claiming its child abuse.

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Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.

That quote specifically says less likely, more likely, less likely, and more likely. Do you not understand the concept of likelihood?


We each have a bag of 10 marbles. 5 are red, 5 are blue. You and I both really want a blue marble. As it stands we both have a 50% chance of getting a blue marble and 50% chance of getting a red marble.


I, however, appropriately complete some necessary task and can replace two of the red marbles with blue ones. You are unable to complete this task and have to replace two blue marbles with two red marbles.


Now I have a 70% chance of getting a blue marble, and you just have a 30% chance. This means that it is more likely that I will get a blue marble and you will get a red marble. It's still entirely possible that I will pull a red marble and you will pull a blue one. Replacing blue marbles with red marbles is still a bad idea if you're trying to get blue marbles, even if it worked out for you this time.


I never said spanking was - or should be - illegal just that I don't think it's particularly effective. Also, if "it's not illegal" is the best defense that you have for your own actions you may want to really consider whether or not its the best course of action.

 

Just because YOU dont think spanking is not effective, doesnt mean society as a whole agree with your line of thinking.

 

I keep saying there are multiple ways to discipline a child, via timeout, spanking, whipping, and somehow you keep purposely ignoring it. 

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Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.

Double post.

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Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.

Feel free to quote me where I've said such. I've tried to keep this about AP and what HE did as much as possible.


You also seem to support AP. I said several times if your parents did to you what AP did to his 4 year old then you were abused. You started getting defensive saying you weren't abused. You either agree with AP's position or you just completely disregarded what I said.

I never insinuated you said such

 

Again what Peterson did to this child, and his other child if true is horrible, and he should be banned and in jail. 

 

Somehow, you equate the fact that me being whipped as a child and relating to this experience as support for Peterson. It took awhile but the agenda is at play and full force now. 

 

I never got defensive, again it was a whipping I deserved. For whatever reason, you INCORRECTLY assumed I was abused.  If you think of it as such, then I will gladly proclaim (by your definition) I was abused. I came out fine and successful and thanked my parents for it. 

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Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.

I never insinuated you said such


Again what Peterson did to this child, and his other child if true is horrible, and he should be banned and in jail.


Somehow, you equate the fact that me being whipped as a child and relating to this experience as support for Peterson. It took awhile but the agenda is at play and full force now.


I never got defensive, again it was a whipping I deserved. For whatever reason, you INCORRECTLY assumed I was abused. If you think of it as such, then I will gladly proclaim (by your definition) I was abused. I came out fine and successful and thanked my parents for it.

No I said, and read carefully, if what AP did was done to you then you were abused. I know reading comprehension is not your strong suit as you have shown that time and time again on this board so read it 3 or 4 times.

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No I said, and read carefully, if what AP did was done to you then you were abused. I know reading comprehension is not your strong suit as you have shown that time and time again on this board so read it 3 or 4 times.

Dont get mad and resort to pettiness because you got called out for pushing an agenda.

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<p style="color:rgb(90,90,90);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;">I noticed how when I asked you a question a couple pages back, you didnt respond.

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<p style="color:rgb(90,90,90);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;">You got called out to the carpet on bull, and now you resort to high school tactics. 

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<p style="color:rgb(90,90,90);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;">Lets have a civil debate about this please.

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Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.

Dont get mad and resort to pettiness because you got called out for pushing an agenda.



I noticed how when I asked you a question a couple pages back, you didnt respond.



You got called out to the carpet on bull, and now you resort to high school tactics.



Lets have a civil debate about this please.

I must have missed what you called me out on.


Not resorting to anything. You often times either don't read what is written or misread it. And you did it 2 or 3 times in this very thread.


What agenda am I pushing? That what AP did was wrong? If there is some other agenda that you think I'm pushing let me know. I'd love to read about it.

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BREAKING NEWS:   Vikings just deactivated Adrian Peterson, then placed him on the Commissioners Exemption List until further notice....settling his legal and parental issues.

 

http://www.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_id/115...n-peterson

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Yes, won't have to face him in fantasy

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BREAKING NEWS:   Vikings just deactivated Adrian Peterson, then placed him on the Commissioners Exemption List until further notice....settling his legal and parental issues.

 

No surprise on this end,  especially given the history of Vikings owner Zygi Wilf.  

 

The chances of Adrian Peterson ever playing a game for the Vikings again is probably no greater than 10 %. 

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Just because YOU dont think spanking is not effective, doesnt mean society as a whole agree with your line of thinking.

 

I keep saying there are multiple ways to discipline a child, via timeout, spanking, whipping, and somehow you keep purposely ignoring it. 

REALLY?! I didn't know that. I've only been telling you - and everyone else that agrees with you - that anecdotes are - and I quote - "hilariously inaccurate". I've also backed up my position with research, unlike you.


Technically speaking that statement is true, which is why I haven't argued against it specifically. Something technically being a form of discipline does not in any way mean that it is a good one or that it is one that we should use.

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Take it however you want, that's what this is all about. Just like most peer-reviewed research.

Exactly. You don't understand how any of these things work.

Ironically, you're pretty much giving us a textbook example of confirmation bias at work, though.

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Exactly. You don't understand how any of these things work.


Ironically, you're pretty much giving us a textbook example of confirmation bias at work, though.

Yep.

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Do you understand the phrase 'peer reviewed'?

Yes, because 'peer reviewed' is flawless and upstanding.

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21588069-scientific-research-has-changed-world-now-it-needs-change-itself-how-science-goes-wrong'>http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21588069-scientific-research-has-changed-world-now-it-needs-change-itself-how-science-goes-wrong</a>

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therefusers.com/refusers-newsroom/90-of-peer-reviewed-clinical-research-is-completely-false-greenmedinfo/#.VBmCy3i9Kc0


There's more where that came from. Not saying science is fraud, all researchers are buffoons, etc but just like anything else a healthy dose of inquiry and cynicism is required. Especially with psychological science. It's notoriously more unreliable then other fields

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BREAKING NEWS:   Vikings just deactivated Adrian Peterson, then placed him on the Commissioners Exemption List until further notice....settling his legal and parental issues.

 

http://www.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_id/115...n-peterson

 

unreal. what a joke.

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Coughlin when asked if winning will be a focus: "What the hell else is there? This is nice and dandy, but winning is what all this is about."

I can't keep up with this thread, I don't understand what the argument is. When you break skin it's gone from discipline to abuse is there anyone debating that?

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I can't keep up with this thread, I don't understand what the argument is. When you break skin it's gone from discipline to abuse is there anyone debating that?

 

yeah, i disagree.

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Coughlin when asked if winning will be a focus: "What the hell else is there? This is nice and dandy, but winning is what all this is about."

yeah, i disagree.

 

I thought the answer was no, but I think you may be the only one to feel that way.

 

I was talking to a girl at work that doesn't watch football at all.  She barely knew about the Adrian Peterson issue....when I told her what he did and that he used a switch, she looked at me like I was crazy.  She said its in her culture and that she didn't see a problem with it.  I was surprised to see her side of it, but it helps me understand things a litlte bit more now.

 

I agree that he went too far (way way way too far, and I would never do anything remotely close to this), but this is what he knows and how he was raised.  Just because many of you dont believe in spanking or that type of punishment does not mean its wrong.  Its personal preference and an opinion....many here think their opinion is fact way too often.

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