$17 million less is not the same contract.

Ah that's new to me. Honestly didn't read the article. That's just what I heard yesterday.


Oh well, I don't want him for that much anyway

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IT WAS ALWAYS THE JAGS

Something about that deal didn't feel "right"....I'm glad we passed.

 

It seems like a PR disaster waiting to happen.  If Vernon comes out and plays sort of like he always has, the fans are going to let him have it.  

 

"A bazillion dollars for 7 sacks?   Are we insane?"  

 

I would keep our money and spend it on something more worthwhile.   There's no reason to get all desperate and blow our entire wad that we built up through 3 years of suffering. 

 

"We tore our team down to the studs and got blown out repeatedly so we could build up our cap room and then we blow it all like this????"  

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17 million more guaranteed in the first 2 years. He would have been dumb NOT to take that offer.

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To each their own

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17 million more guaranteed in the first 2 years. He would have been dumb NOT to take that offer.

I don't blame him at all, just admit that it wasn't the size of the city that had anything to do with it! If we'd have offered him $17 million more and he still picked the Giants, THEN I would have believed that was the reason!

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

Sounds like he may have character issues. I can see him having a down year and being outplayed by JPP.

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Oh, it's disappointing to go aggressively after a certain player only to end up the bridesmaid, but that's how it goes sometimes.  They targeted 5 guys yesterday and landed 4.  By any measure, that's pretty good, and to get a pro bowl safety with a reasonable deal is just icing on the cake.  They'll find their pass rush guys somewhere, if they're not already on the roster. 

 

The Jags had interest in Williams, but I think that when Miami came calling, the front office may have seen that as an opportunity to get the younger guy on the rise, so they rolled the dice figuring that with the tag, they could front load a deal that Miami would never match, and we'd have the guy who was a better fit for the build model this team is following. 

 

When Miami removed the tag, that blew up our strategy, IMO.  And that's fine.  We still went after him, and we were willing to pay what the market demanded.  NY just had a little more juice.  Based on the limited overall production, maybe that's a good thing.  We'll see.

 

I agree that Miami removing the tag blew our chances.   With the tag on, most teams would not have offered the guy a contract because they would have had to wait a week to see if Miami would match or not, and in the meantime, other players they wanted would have been going to other teams.  We were in the position where we could have still offered any other player while we waited for the Dolphins to fold or not.    It's quite possible that if the tag had stayed on him, there would have been no bidding war, and we could have given him a much more reasonable contract than what he wound up getting.  

 

I was on the golf course when a friend of mine texted me.  He had apparently fallen for the rumor that we had signed him, and he texted me that the deal was $19 million per year.   When I read that, I thought, maybe I'd rather we had not signed him if the contract was that big.   I mean, how can he line up out there with comparable players around him who make a fraction of what he makes, and they're probably all thinking about his contract while they're trying to play.  "Geez, this guy is making 4 times what I'm making, and I'm twice the player he is."   

 

For all the guys who are moaning about how we failed to get him, I would say, there has to be a limit.   We already broke the bank on one guy, at what point is it just too much? 

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I don't blame him at all, just admit that it wasn't the size of the city that had anything to do with it! If we'd have offered him $17 million more and he still picked the Giants, THEN I would have believed that was the reason!

agreed. i actually think its kinda funny that the best excuse he could come up with for picking the giants over us is "it wasn't city enough.". i think it says more about NY as a franchise than it does jacksonville as a city. at least we were "city" enough for malik and gipson.

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To each their own....

 

I worked in NYC for financial firm off Lexington Avenue in Manhattan for a couple years.  I couldn't wait to leave...and left.  

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I watched the video right under that article and Ryan Clark was really high on our defense stepping up. He said he thought cyp was great. High praise.

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You either die as a good poster, or live long enough to become the troll.

He did say the city was beautiful. I don't think there is anything wrong with what he said. Miami to Jackosnville would be a big transition lifestyle wise. That's the beauty of the US. There is something for everyone.

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Nothing wrong with that, no reason for anyone to get salty anyway. The guy prefers the New York lifestyle, and is getting paid more than he wouldve made here to live it. If it was me, I probably wouldve done the same thing TBH. Yea, taxes and all, but whos 25 years old with a 114 million dollar contract and worried about taxes?

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Nothing wrong with that, no reason for anyone to get salty anyway. The guy prefers the New York lifestyle, and is getting paid more than he wouldve made here to live it. If it was me, I probably wouldve done the same thing TBH. Yea, taxes and all, but whos 25 years old with a 114 million dollar contract and worried about taxes?

I don't see anyone being salty about it at all. Discussing his true motivation and being salty about his decision are two totally different things.

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

Nothing wrong with what he said. It's the truth kind of. And he wasn't dissing Jville, just said he wasn't sure he'd be comfortable. Not going to knock the guy for that. Plus, I'm glad Dave wasn't close to the offer. Definitely not worth it!

 

GO JAGS!!

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Let's Get Em!!!! Go Jags!

He walked around downtown Jacksonville and he said, gross, yuck. lol

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He must have forgotten about New York and their big income tax plus the sales tax up there is a killer.

Heck with him.

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Paying him more than JJ Watt for 2/5s of the production is insane, actually makes the Malik signing look even better.  I still think not getting Vernon is the best thing we did yesterday.  Driving up the price for the NYG is nice too, they spent a lot of money yesterday in a more reckless fashion than us.

 

I'm kind of the opinion that they get what they deserve after running off Coughlin and THEN opening their wallets to restock the roster.  

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Fix the O-Line!

It would have been plenty of city for him if the money was better. Most people in his situation, if asked, wouldn't be comfortable admitting it was about the money, but that's what it usually is primarily about if the player isn't passing up better offers to re-sign with his original team. And I'm not blaming him. He should take the money while he can get it.

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The way that whole negotiation went down was like playing online poker against someone where the money isn't real. I'm glad we lost the "which team is more desperate" contest. There is no chance he delivers on half of their investment and that kind of contract can be a cancer in the locker room for a player whose play shows he doesn't deserve it.

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Only a chump boos the home team!

maybe just a shot in the dark ....some guys value winning

Well, blindly firing away seems to be a pretty good analogy when it comes to your thought process.

 

There's nothing to indicate that the team would be guaranteed to be so much better that the wins would just be piling up if only they'd topped the Giants offer.  History is chalked full of free agent signings for ridiculous money that didn't pan out.  Far more busts than booms actually.  But hey, you value winning.  I value building the team the right way and assuring that once the winning starts, it doesn't evaporate a minute later because the team is in salary cap trouble.  I lived through the end of the Coughlin era.  Clearly you didn't. 

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.