Why does Luck get a pass? He played terribly then the Colts won more games with Hasselbeck with the same cast?


Bortles was not only much better than Luck last season, he was much better than year 2 Luck who had a much better team.

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If we really must debate Luck and BB,  

 

Luck's best season was better than BB's

 

yes Luck was not good last year, but he played hurt pretty much the entire season, a bad throwing shoulder at that.  And if you look at the game logs in the season look at the opponents Luck played against, BUF, NYJ, TEN, NE, NO, CAR, DEN out of 7 games you have 5 very good defenses.   Yes BB had  better season last yes, but Luck was pretty much hurt from the 3rd week on with the shoulder, then multiple rib fractures and the lacerated kidney.  Basically the guy played lots of hard defenses and was not close to being 100% physically.  

 

And if your gonna do it year by year, Luck's first year was much better than BB's, and their second year's are debatable, sure BB threw for more yards and TD's and a better ypa, but their passer ratings are nearly identical. 4 rushing tds to BB's 2  Luck's team was 11-5, BB's (5-11) and yea its a team game, but he played smart and clean, with only 11 turnovers versus BB's extremely high league leading 23 turnovers.  The record is not completely on Luck or BB, but its not completely not on them either.  BB basically turned the ball over 1.5 times a game, that hurts the team and puts them in bad situations and makes it hard to win.  While Luck in his second season was turning the ball over at half the rate of BB.   So while BB put up the gaudy TD and yd stats he put his team in some bad situations twice as much as Luck, which helps explain part of the record.

 

Also your talking overall not a projection.  Luck has already put together a season both statistically and record wise that BB can not  come close to touching.  BB has potential but Luck based on his season of 2014 and yesterday has very much realized most of his.

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Listen, I agree Luck is slightly overrated at times, but right now, he's better than Bortles. Sorry.

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Everyone will be singing a different tune when Colts play some decent defences. 

 

Actually they won't it will be excuse making again.

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Yeah its a valid point when comparing quarterbacks. You do realize Luck played injured all last year?


So tell me lastonealive. What's your criteria for the "Top Dog" in the division?

 


Luck wasn't injured ALL last year though. He played 3 or 4 games before he got injured and was terrible in those too.

 

You're right that we can't crown Bortles yet, but if he repeats/improves on last year and Luck continues to regress a bit, then you have to start considering maybe Luck isn't the second coming he was supposed to be.

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IT WAS ALWAYS THE JAGS

Luck wasn't injured ALL last year though. He played 3 or 4 games before he got injured and was terrible in those too.


You're right that we can't crown Bortles yet, but if he repeats/improves on last year and Luck continues to regress a bit, then you have to start considering maybe Luck isn't the second coming he was supposed to be.

He wasn't terrible the first few games, didn't play his best but still did okay considering. Luck is still a young QB, he's not going to be firing on all cylinders every game.


Yeah fully agree as I said Blake is the man. Just need to see how he handles this year before crowning him top dog. So far so good.

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Everyone will be singing a different tune when Colts play some decent defences.


Actually they won't it will be excuse making again.

Really doesn't even have to be a good defense. If the Lions we allowed to get away with the things the Packers did to the Jaguar's receivers Sunday then the colts wouldn't have been able to come back and would have lost by three TDs.


Jaguars receivers were being held and tackled regularly before and during throws. That Bortles did so well with so much against him says a lot. The officiating was possibly the worst I've ever seen. I know the NFL wouldn't allow that kind of treatment of their golden boy, Andy.

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I guess this is now a MM vs BB vs AL debate. Why not go further and include all the AFC S qbs, as in BO as well?


 

Time for a stat check. Here are the week one stats for all four ranked in order of best to worst qb rating...


 

1. Andrew Luck - 31 of 47 (66.0%) for 385 yards (8.2 YPA), 4 TDs and 0 INT for a 119.5 qb rating
   
   
2. Brock Osweiler - 22 of 35 (62.9%)
   for 231 yards (6.6 YPA), 2 TDs and 1 INT for a 89.1 rating
   
3. Marcus Mariota - 25 of 41 (61.0%) for 271 yards (6.6 YPA)
   , 2 TDs and 1 INT for a 86.5 qb rating
   
4. Blake Bortles - 24 of 39 (61.5%) for 320 yards (8.2 YPA), 1 TD and 1 INT for a 85.4 qb rating
   
   

 

So far BB is trailing.

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I guess this is now a MM vs BB vs AL debate. Why not go further and include all the AFC S qbs, as in BO as well?


Time for a stat check. Here are the week one stats for all four ranked in order of best to worst qb rating...


<ul class="bbcol decimal">[*]Andrew Luck - 31 of 47 (66.0%) for 385 yards (8.2 YPA), 4 TDs and 0 INT for a 119.5 qb rating
[*]Brock Osweiler - 22 of 35 (62.9%)
for 231 yards (6.6 YPA), 2 TDs and 1 INT for a 89.1 rating[*]Marcus Mariota - 25 of 41 (61.0%) for 271 yards (6.6 YPA)
, 2 TDs and 1 INT for a 86.5 qb rating[*]Blake Bortles - 24 of 39 (61.5%) for 320 yards (8.2 YPA), 1 TD and 1 INT for a 85.4 qb rating
</ul>So far BB is trailing.

Forget the QB rating. Stats wise he should be second on that list.

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I guess this is now a MM vs BB vs AL debate. Why not go further and include all the AFC S qbs, as in BO as well?


 

Time for a stat check. Here are the week one stats for all four ranked in order of best to worst qb rating...


 

1. Andrew Luck - 31 of 47 (66.0%) for 385 yards (8.2 YPA), 4 TDs and 0 INT for a 119.5 qb rating
   
   
2. Brock Osweiler - 22 of 35 (62.9%) for 231 yards (6.6 YPA), 2 TDs and 1 INT for a 89.1 rating
   
   
3. Marcus Mariota - 25 of 41 (61.0%) for 271 yards (6.6 YPA), 2 TDs and 1 INT for a 86.5 qb rating
   
   
4. Blake Bortles - 24 of 39 (61.5%) for 320 yards (8.2 YPA), 1 TD and 1 INT for a 85.4 qb rating
   
   

 

So far BB is trailing.

 

 

Those have got to be NFL's passer rating. They don't look like ESPN QB rating. 

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ImATexan

Forget the QB rating. Stats wise he should be second on that list.

 

They're so close, it's really a wash. Any difference can be attributed to particular situations. Any of these QBs in the place of any of the others probably would have done about the same. 

 

The real question is about consistency. Which one of these guys is going to deliver as good a performance week in & week out? 

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ImATexan

Those have got to be NFL's passer rating. They don't look like ESPN QB rating. 

 


Well that's bc ESPN QBR is a joke

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IT WAS ALWAYS THE JAGS

The int hurt bb5. But that ypa and completion percentage is right where we want it to be.


Bb5 outshined both Brock and MM.

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The int hurt bb5. But that ypa and completion percentage is right where we want it to be.


Bb5 outshined both Brock and MM.

We all wanted Blake's "next step" to be much better efficiency and no more "what was that?!" INTs. After one game and preseason he's looking good

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IT WAS ALWAYS THE JAGS

We all wanted Blake's "next step" to be much better efficiency and no more "what was that?!" INTs. After one game and preseason he's looking good

 

Yup.

 

Most incompletions were catchable, especially the tip ball INT.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

The int hurt bb5. But that ypa and completion percentage is right where we want it to be.


Bb5 outshined both Brock and MM.

 

 

We all wanted Blake's "next step" to be much better efficiency and no more "what was that?!" INTs. After one game and preseason he's looking good

 

Anyone that actually watched the game came away thinking Bortles looked pretty good, especially given the circumstances he was presented with, mostly an officiating crew that seemed to be heavily against the Jaguars. Impartial refereeing would have flipped the outcome. Bortles' performance was good enough.

 

I look forward to seeing what he can do when he's not playing against the defense and the zebras.

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BO had two dropped TD passes one would have been for 70+, that's the problem with looking at just one game lots of noise, gotta wait like 4 games to start comparing really.

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BO had two dropped TD passes one would have been for 70+, that's the problem with looking at just one game lots of noise, gotta wait like 4 games to start comparing really.

That's fair. However, this thread is specifically about bb5 and Mary-cocheese-ota.


Maybe we should start another thread to compare all three?

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I'm not sure the Luck fans have seen any of his play against the Lions. He had his first good performance in a very long time:

 

http://www.nfl.com/videos/indianapolis-c...highlights

 

If Bortles gets that much time in the pocket and the coverage is that awful he may throw for 500

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debate over

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