Eli throws a lot of interceptions, always has, but it seems that he is never taken to task over it. 

 

Watson reminds me a lot more of RG3 than anyone else. They have very similar builds and lot of the same question marks. Neither came from a pro-style offense, questions about injuries and accuracy, ect. I would offer you up a white qb that is kind of similar but I can't actually think of one recently. 

 

What would it take to get Garropolo?

 

If he Watson as similar to RG3 the prospect he'd be the #1 player in the draft as there isn't a Luck this year.  As another poster said he is more Tyrod Taylor w/o the elusiveness.  

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So the guy actually coaching the team on the field will have less to say about what competition level for Bortles is brought to camp than Coughlin?


I doubt that very strongly.


Coughlin may help narrow it down or decide between the final options - but Marrone has definitely already informed Caldwell his preference for addresssing the situation - whether it be an early pick, a later pick, an FA signing or an attempt at trade.


He'll have influence on this situation despite how much you think you know Coughlin.

 

ESPN nfl insiders was talking about this They said there could be too many cooks for the Jags but, we shall see I hope it works out.

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If he Watson as similar to RG3 the prospect he'd be the #1 player in the draft as there isn't a Luck this year. As another poster said he is more Tyrod Taylor w/o the elusiveness.

He's still real elusive. He's a passer who can run more so than the other way around though.

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ESPN nfl insiders was talking about this They said there could be too many cooks for the Jags but, we shall see I hope it works out.

 

All I'm trying to say is that Caldwell immediately after firing Gus stated plainly that the next HC would have input on the QB situation. 

 

Why would we assume that's not actually the case? 

 

It seems to me like a coach's thoughts on dealing with Bortles and a Plan B was likely a significant part of the interview process since it's the largest glaring hurdle the team will be forced to navigate. 

 

Even if Marrone's answer is "We'll get Blake coached up and deal with plan B in 2018 if he's still not good enough" then at least Marrone's input is part of the equation. 

 

I just can't imagine that Khan went out and hired Marrone, Coughlin and extended Caldwell without first figuring out if they were in the same zip code of thought on addressing the QB issue for the Jaguars.  It just seems like a no-brainer to make sure they are at least remotely on the same page first before throwing them in a room together and saying "figure it out." 

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All I'm trying to say is that Caldwell immediately after firing Gus stated plainly that the next HC would have input on the QB situation.


Why would we assume that's not actually the case?


It seems to me like a coach's thoughts on dealing with Bortles and a Plan B was likely a significant part of the interview process since it's the largest glaring hurdle the team will be forced to navigate.


Even if Marrone's answer is "We'll get Blake coached up and deal with plan B in 2018 if he's still not good enough" then at least Marrone's input is part of the equation.


I just can't imagine that Khan went out and hired Marrone, Coughlin and extended Caldwell without first figuring out if they were in the same zip code of thought on addressing the QB issue for the Jaguars. It just seems like a no-brainer to make sure they are at least remotely on the same page first before throwing them in a room together and saying "figure it out."

Exactly my point... To me its kinda fair to say Caldwell voice would be the least heard on this topic...Bortles is his "project" qb...So his input will be valued, but it won't hold much merit.. Marrone and Tom will find their qb together..

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Exactly my point... To me its kinda fair to say Caldwell voice would be the least heard on this topic...Bortles is his "project" qb...So his input will be valued, but it won't hold much merit.. Marrone and Tom will find their qb together..

 

I think that's a giant assumption and a very unconventional way of doing things, but I doubt it is a major factor this offseason anyway.  

They are more likely to just seek out a "plan B" quarterback than to burn a high pick or millions in FA on "their QB together." 

 

Unless Hackett is convinced that Allen is ready and he can convince Marrone of that  -  then I think they'll just be looking for an upgrade at back-up QB in case Blake doesn't get his act together. 

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I think that's a giant assumption and a very unconventional way of doing things, but I doubt it is a major factor this offseason anyway.

They are more likely to just seek out a "plan B" quarterback than to burn a high pick or millions in FA on "their QB together."


Unless Hackett is convinced that Allen is ready and he can convince Marrone of that - then I think they'll just be looking for an upgrade at back-up QB in case Blake doesn't get his act together.

Do you believe Caldwell deserves a second shot at a qb if Bortles don't pan out?

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Do you believe Caldwell deserves a second shot at a qb if Bortles don't pan out?

I'm on the fence about whether he "deserves" it or not. One of the big strikes against Caldwell is his selection of Bradley as HC and sticking with him too long. 

 

It came to light recently that there is a good possibility that he was influenced in both of those decisions. This makes it a little tougher for me to judge him harshly. 

 

I really like a number of players he's drafted and signed and I feel several of them will be key components to this team for many years. So I'd like to see him get another chance to draft a QB because I think he's smart enough to learn from his mistakes and land an upgrade. 

 

I also think that there's a good possibility they get what they need to win from Bortles by just getting the run game up to par and limiting some situations Blake struggles in.

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Do you believe Caldwell deserves a second shot at a qb if Bortles don't pan out?

Yes*

 

 

 

 

* = IF he makes a serious fallback plan move this offseason (or if Brandon Allen seems to progress enough to actually push Bortles)

 

If Bortles doesn't succeed. And we don't pick up his option, BUT Caldwell finds another QB (bridge-gap serviceable vet, Allen the 2nd yr guy,) I'd say you can give him a shot to try again with guys like Falk and Mayfield and some others coming out next season.

 

Of course... this is assuming Caldwell actually has any say over the next QB.

Everything passes through Tom.

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Yes*





* = IF he makes a serious fallback plan move this offseason (or if Brandon Allen seems to progress enough to actually push Bortles)


If Bortles doesn't succeed. And we don't pick up his option, BUT Caldwell finds another QB (bridge-gap serviceable vet, Allen the 2nd yr guy,) I'd say you can give him a shot to try again with guys like Falk and Mayfield and some others coming out next season.


Of course... this is assuming Caldwell actually has any say over the next QB.

Everything passes through Tom.

True.. But do he deserve it is the question. . Im sure Tom will give him another chance to include his opinions.. But should he? He has drafted a qb, that still has flaws, entering his fourth year in the league.. A qb that havent proven to be a winner... To be honest i dont wanna wait for a qb to become a better player at the expense of the jaguars losing..

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Any chance we bring in someone who can truly compete with Bortles?

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Any chance we bring in someone who can truly compete with Bortles?

 

I think a lot of us really hope that's the case, but whether or not it happens remains to be seen.

 

I'm trying to realistically think of who they could bring in to compete with Bortles.

 

There just doesn't seem to be a lot of real options out there right now, but I am hoping TC works some magic and finds someone.

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I survived the Gus Bradley Error.

If he brings romo here.  You know as well as I do, bortles has no chance. 

 

 

Actually, I see it quite differently. If Tony Romo were to join the team, I believe Blake's chances of one day becoming a Super Bowl winning quarterback greatly improve. Sure Romo would start immediately over Bortles, however, knowing how easily Romo could break a pinky and leave the game, Blake still may end up seeing his fair share of playing time. More to the point, Blake learning for a year, or even two, behind Romo would be invaluable for him as a quarterback. Seasoning Blake at this point behind an elite NFL quarterback would go a long ways toward molding and polishing our young franchise qb for greatness.

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If you look at the career stats for Eli Manning, year by year, they are very underwhelming. 

 

http://www.nfl.com/player/elimanning/250...areerstats

 

So, Coughlin may be very willing to roll with Bortles for a while. 

 

 

I recall late in the 2015 season when Blake was doing well, doing a rather in-depth comparison of him and Eli, and concluding at that moment in time that Blake at least edged out Eli as the better quarterback. Now certainly that was not the case this past year, but I'm very convinced that Blake has the potential to be every bit as good and actually better than Eli.

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'02

Any chance we bring in someone who can truly compete with Bortles?

Competition is a fallacy. Youre either bringing in a guy whos about as bad as Bortles like Hoyer or a guy whos straight up better than him like Tyrod.

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Cutting Henne makes perfect sense, what is is a back up that is so bad , he can't back up?

 

I bet Marrone & co look hard at the draft, gives Allen more reps so we have a competition at QB.

FA, depends on who comes available.

Oh and marrone isn't going to stand by and live or die with bbint.....he better get his butt to california and get himself fixed.

 

 

When it comes to Henne, the sooner they cut him the more credit I'll give the organization for being competent.


 

As for Allen, I keep thinking he just might be really, really good and we simply don't know it yet.


 

As for Blake getting fixed, I'm praying for another Tom House miracle.

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'02

Do you believe Caldwell deserves a second shot at a qb if Bortles don't pan out?

 

 

I do, because as a GM, he has to take his shots downfield too. We want to see the qb throw long, but those that do throw more INTs... still, it's worth the risk. It's the same thing with drafting a quarterback. If you see one who might work out, you have to take the risk. If he ultimately doesn't, that's simply the downside of taking the risk, but I still don't question the initial decision to take him. I'd much rather risk having a quarterback that doesn't work out, than not picking Roethlisberger when you have a golden opportunity to do so.

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'02

Yes*

 

 

 

 

* = IF he makes a serious fallback plan move this offseason (or if Brandon Allen seems to progress enough to actually push Bortles)

 

If Bortles doesn't succeed. And we don't pick up his option, BUT Caldwell finds another QB (bridge-gap serviceable vet, Allen the 2nd yr guy,) I'd say you can give him a shot to try again with guys like Falk and Mayfield and some others coming out next season.

 

Of course... this is assuming Caldwell actually has any say over the next QB.

Everything passes through Tom.

 

 

 

Agreed.


 

As for the fall-back move, my top suggestions would leave the Jaguars with one of the following situations... 1. Tony Romo 2. Blake Bortles 3.  Brandon Allen... or... Blake Bortles and Nick Foles in a dead heat competition for the start with the loser backing up and Brandon Allen #3.


 

If Allen proves to be good enough, I could also see 1. Blake Bortles 2. Brandon Allen and 3. rookie qb, but that's not much of a fall back move, and how would they know in time if Allen is good enough? The only reason I'd even accept this as the plan is because Chenne is not there.

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'02

Competition is a fallacy. Youre either bringing in a guy whos about as bad as Bortles like Hoyer or a guy whos straight up better than him like Tyrod.

 

 

Blake should be able to beat out Hoyer, but I can see this too.

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'02

Blake should be able to beat out Hoyer, but I can see this too.

Even if we signed hoyer tomorrow Blake is the starter. Hes our #3 pick and hes 24, theyre handing him the job and the only way he loses it is if hes a disaster in some regular season games

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