Next up I plan to dig into Butt.
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Lewis, Koyack, and Sterling to me are fine at the TE spot(s).  Koyack and Sterling have been developing nicely.  Lewis has got another year in him.  There are other higher priorities, IMO, on the roster to spend picks or dollars.  

 

well that is if you are completely a glass half full kind of guy

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(we might see 10 different TEs above league-average SPARQ after the Combine alone)

 

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This is basically a new ranking along with their combine numbers...

1. OJ Howard, Alabama - 6' 5 3/4, 251 lbs, 4.51 40, 30" vert, 10' 1" broad, 22 reps,
   
   
2. David Njoku, Miami - 6' 3 3/4", 246 lbs, 4.64 40, 37.5" vert, 11' 1" broad, 21 reps
   
   
3. Bucky Hodges, VA Tech - 6' 6 1/8", 257 lbs, 4.57 40, 39" vert, 11' 2" broad, 18 reps
   
   
4. Evan Engram, Mississippi - 6' 3 1/8", 234 lbs, 4.42 40, 36" vert, 10' 5" broad, 19 reps
   
   
5. Gerald Everett, S. Alabama - 6' 2 3/4", 239 lbs, 4.62 40, 37.5" vert, 10' 6" broad, 22 reps
   
   
6. Jordan Leggett, Clemson - 6' 5 1/2", 258 lbs, 4.73 40 (est.), 33" vert, 9' 6" broad, 18 reps
   
   
7. Jake Butt, Michigan - DNP, injured
   
   
8. Adam Shaheen, Ashland - 6' 6 1/2, 278 lbs, 4.79 40, 32 1/2" vert, 10' 1" broad, 24 reps
   
   
9. Jonnu Smith, Fla Intl - 6' 2 3/4, 248 lbs, 4.62 40, 38" vert, 10' 7" broad, 22 reps
   
   
10. George Kittle, Iowa - 6' 3 3/4",247 lbs, 4.52 40, 35" vert, 11' broad, 18 reps
    
    
11. Jeremy Sprinkle, Arkansas - 6' 4 3/4", 252 lbs, 4.69 40, 29" vert, 9' 8" broad
    
    
12. Michael Roberts, Toledo - 6' 4 3/8", 270 lbs, 4.86 40, 30" vert, 9' 2" broad
    
    
13. Darrell Daniels, Washington - 6' 3 1/8", 247 lbs, 4.55 40, 32" vert, 9' 8" broad, 17 reps
    
    
14. Cole Hikutini, Louisville - 6' 4 1/8, 247 lbs, 4.84 40 (est.), 20 reps
    
    
15. Eric Saubert, Drake - 6' 4 5/8", 253 lbs, 4.72 (est), 22" vert, 10' 1" broad. 22 reps
    
    

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Ben Fennell‏ @BenFennell_NFL

OJ Howard showing off some agility!

3-cone.. 6.85

20yd Shuttle... 4.16

60yd Shuttle... 11.46

Wow.

 

 

 

Ben is a really good source, but those agility drills seem unbelievable to me. If his 3 cone is really a half a second faster than Cooks...

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KYJaggy, how important is the combine for you?


Caldwell was asked the same question and I'm curious what your answer is.


Dave said game tape is by far the most important and the combine is about 20% of the entire evaluation of the player.


Seems to me you put way too much stock into a 3-cone drill for example. What if the guy just isn't having a good day, or is sick but is still competing, or has a mental lapse a couple of times, etc?


Looks like the way you evaluate players is measurables first and foremost.

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KYJaggy, how important is the combine for you?


Caldwell was asked the same question and I'm curious what your answer is.


Dave said game tape is by far the most important and the combine is about 20% of the entire evaluation of the player.


Seems to me you put way too much stock into a 3-cone drill for example. What if the guy just isn't having a good day, or is sick but is still competing, or has a mental lapse a couple of times, etc?


Looks like the way you evaluate players is measurables first and foremost.

The measurables matter, whether it's combine or pro day. The progressive, and coincidentally good, teams like the Packers, Seahawks, and now Steelers (the regime that drafts Martavis Bryant's, Ryan Shazier's, and Bud Dupree's and not Jarvis Jones') have pretty rigid athletic thresholds that they rarely cross. 

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I can pretty much guarantee you Fowler wasn't on the Seahawks board for example.

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The pats always tend to draft guys with great 3 cone drills at WR, CB , safety.

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I can pretty much guarantee you Fowler wasn't on the Seahawks board for example.

lol, yeah he was undraftable to them.  You say some dumb [BLEEP] [BLEEP] sometimes

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lol, yeah he was undraftable to them.  You say some dumb [BAD WORD REMOVED] [BAD WORD REMOVED] sometimes

Was he physically on their draft board...yeah maybe (but also maybe not...Fowler was not even close to passing their thresholds). I can virtually guarantee you they had Frank Clark who they took at 63 way higher. 

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Was he physically on their draft board...yeah maybe (but also maybe not...Fowler was not even close to passing their thresholds). I can virtually guarantee you they had Frank Clark who they took at 63 way higher. 

 

What are their thresholds?

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What are their thresholds?

Follow Zach Whitman.

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Follow Zach Whitman.

 

So you don't know these thresholds?

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So you don't know these thresholds?

The teams don't exactly come out and broadcast their proprietary information...but guys study those teams specifically in depth. Like Whitman, the 3 sigma SPARQ owner and Seahawks blogger. He's very accurate. 

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The teams don't exactly come out and broadcast their proprietary information...but guys study those teams specifically in depth. Like Whitman, the 3 sigma SPARQ owner and Seahawks blogger. He's very accurate. 

 

I'm fully aware they don't broadcast information. But you keep talking about these thresholds that you have no idea what they actually are. The best you can do is guess, which is fine, but you state your opinion as if it's fact and are too quick to trust your twitter guys and the information they post. 

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I'm fully aware they don't broadcast information. But you keep talking about these thresholds that you have no idea what they actually are. The best you can do is guess, which is fine, but you state your opinion as if it's fact and are too quick to trust your twitter guys and the information they post. 

It's a very, very educated guess. Is their 3 cone threshold 7.08 or 7.09...that might not be exactly clear. But it's reverse engineered pretty darn close, and we sure as hell know it ain't 7.40.

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<a class="bbc_url" href='https://twitter.com/BenFennell_NFL'>Ben Fennell‏ @BenFennell_NFL</a>


OJ Howard showing off some agility!

3-cone.. 6.85

20yd Shuttle... 4.16

60yd Shuttle... 11.46

Wow.




Ben is a really good source, but those agility drills seem unbelievable to me. If his 3 cone is really a half a second faster than Cooks...

Even with that poor vert that you trashed fournette over?


Saying he needs an alley to gain steam. So Howard will need an alley too according to that logic, correct? So all a defender would have to do is jam him to make him completely ineffective.


It's nice how you pick and choose who it matters for and who it doesn't.


Clearly demonstrates agenda bias.

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Coughlin when asked if winning will be a focus: "What the hell else is there? This is nice and dandy, but winning is what all this is about."

I can pretty much guarantee you Fowler wasn't on the Seahawks board for example.

And I can pretty much guarantee you're talking out your [BLEEP] again.


Unsubstantiated claims yet again.


Assertions without evidence can be discredited without evidence.

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And I can pretty much guarantee you're talking out your [BAD WORD REMOVED] again.


Unsubstantiated claims yet again.


Assertions without evidence can be discredited without evidence.

Y'all really refuse to believe that there was a large group of analytically driven people who really didn't like Fowler, and the Seahawks are right in line with those guys. Well, more like those guys are in line with the Seahawks. 

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