Hmmmmm looks like he haven't been drinking...

We're still talking about this?

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IT WAS ALWAYS THE JAGS

We're still talking about this?

 

It's literally brought up in every comment section or Bortles related topic I've visited around the internet lately. The guy is never gonna be able to live down holding a beer again without the claws coming out. 

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We're still talking about this?

Haven't you heard? Jimmy's sister's nephew's next door neighbor works in a bar in Jax beach she totally says that owner's wife saw him there drinking last week!

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https://twitter.com/DrewASJax/status/843498989798526979

Definitely been putting in the hours so far this offseason. Its early but already feel a bit better about next year with all the work he seems to be doing. 

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He needs to hit something like 10000 reps for muscle memory so he needs to throw a lot everyday.

 

 

10,000? Come on... you made that up.

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True...Never seen so many "fans" want their QB to fail just to plug another guy in.  The Jags have been plugging another guy in for 2 decades and it hasn't worked.  You'd think they'd want their QB to be successful at some point.

 

 

As long as Henne is "the other guy" you won't see anybody here wanting to plug him in.


 

The only qb I'd plug in over Bortles would be Romo. ...although it would be interesting to watch a qb competition between Blake and guy like Chase Daniels or RGIII.

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This. Yes he threw for 35 TDs, but that was your "lightning in a bottle" scenario.  He has never completed over 60% over a season and his arm "tires" over the duration of a season because his mechanics revert and decay, When you throw a ball incorrectly for long enough it will wear your arm out(may even cause injury), causing less power behind your passes, less accuracy and your timing is off too. I have little faith in Bortles at this point, but if he can somehow unlearn his old mechanics and keep his footwork/arm in check for 16-20 games(probably more likely to win the lotto twice) he can be really good. Otherwise, just another project QB that busted out of the 1st round. 

 

 

Well said. These are practically my thoughts as well with one main difference... that is, I have plenty of faith that Bortles can and will do as much.


 

We saw in 2015 that he can take over games. Heck, if we had our current defense back then, we would have been a winning team.


 

Blake appears to have the mechanics part of it figured out, and like you said, now he just needs to keep it up for 16 games while praying that his arm holds out. The other part, which you didn't even mention, is that he has to learn from his INTs to not keep making the same bad decisions. I don't mind seeing an INT where he takes a risk but the CB was just too good... What I mind are throws made that he has no business throwing.


 

 

As a side note... any chance they taught him how to throw a fade pass?

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Lol, it will take a lot more than this to convince me that Blake has gotten "better". I really loved him at UCF, and was definitely on board when we drafted him. 3 years in...I'm not so sure now. Honestly, I think there has been some excuse making. Not having an adequate backup didn't help him either. And although I didn't concur with it at first, I now believe his 2015 numbers were actually garbage time stats.


I'd love for Blake to get it right this season. I want him to work out so that we're not wasting an early 2018 pick on another QB. I'm not very optimistic about it though. I think we've seen enough to warrant getting a reliable QB to have on reserve.

 

 

No, his 2015 stats were not garbage time stats by any means. They were legit. Blake was on fire that year.


 

I want to drill this point home because I went over the games in 2015 to be sure. I looked at how much was garbage time TDs, etc, and it was a very small percentage. Often in 2015 he was in shoot-out games where he had to throw to win and did.


 

Now I can see how you formulated this opinion because last year we witnessed the most garbage time I've ever seen in a season, but you're wrong about 2015.

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We have a QB who even during his franchise record breaking 2015 season where he did some great things still made the same mistakes then that we saw last year and single handedly cost us several games in both 2015 and 2016.  Many have been willfully ignorant about 2015, but the writing for 2016 was on the wall if you cared to examine his performance objectively (i.e. temper your irrational exuberance).  He essentially took 2016 off and went through the motions on game day and then threw his coaches who were no longer here under the bus after the season was over.  

 

Very little about him suggests he's a leader of men and that is usually a problem when it comes to QBs.  Several of you are willing to bend over backwards to refuse to believe what your senses should be telling you just because dude is wearing a Jags uni.  I'm not trying to kill optimism regarding him or the team and this post isn't targeted at those who are merely optimistic as I myself am somewhat optimistic about this season, but some of you act like you're relatives of his or part of his circle of friends with how fervently you defend him.

 

Does that one throw look good?  Yeah.  Do I hope he plays better in 2017?  You bet.  Will I be rooting for him on game day in 2017?  Absolutely.  But let's be honest here: it's ONE throw in shorts in perfect conditions with no pass rush.  That scenario won't happen much if at all during the season.  

 

Some of you are kidding yourselves and doing intellectual pretzels to provide excuses for him.  It's why the rest of us are picturing this guy with this exact expression at the keyboard behind your posts.

 

 

I totally disagree. From all accounts Blake's teammates look up to him as a leader, and watching him talk he's a natural born leader. I fail to understand how you don't see this in him. Forget about former coaches... Blake would never throw a current player or coach under the bus, and I often see him taking blame for stuff that's so not even close to his fault.


 

Look, Blake has issues and I don't deny that, but his ability to lead men is not one of them.

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I want Blake to be the starter but there has to be a Plan B. No way TC is going into next season without a Plan B and no way Plan B is Chad Henne.

 

^^^this

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'02

There isn't a point to any of the message board ranting about what the team needs.


Who do you think is out there waiting to be signed that can be a better than top half of the league passer, which is what Bortles is when he plays decently? And that's just what he's done so far. The Jaguars spent more than a decade looking for someone that could throw more than 23 TDs in a season.

 

 

Why must "plan B" have to be a QB better than Bortles
? He's just saying we need an option if Blake can't go, and Henne ain't it. For instance, Chase Daniels would be a decent plan B. If Blake regresses, it's Daniels time and I can live with that.

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'02

I would really like to know what they think about Brandon Allen. They drafted him last year, and I believe he was suppose to be the plan B. But Henne was resigned. Maybe a decent QB projected to go around the 3rd round?

 

 

I know. I'm actually excited to get another glimpse of Allen because what I've seen so far tells me he's a natural deep passer with a very strong arm.


 

That said, I'm not adverse to bringing a rookie qb in with the thought that a true competition will end up knocking Henne off the roster. In the early third round we might be looking at a QB like Peterson, Kaaya or Webb.

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Some of you don't want Bortles but are willing to give Cutler a chance?!!

 

 

I'll pass on Cutler, but let me explain why exactly...


 

Cutler is the 16th best QB in the league. He always is. There are always a top 15 QBs that you can call good QBs... then there are 16 or more qbs who are not-so-good. Last year Blake was in the not-so-good group. The you have Cutler who defines what an average starter in this league is. In other words, if you are better than Cutler you're good. If you are worse, you're just bad. Cutler himself is neither good nor bad, but just painstakingly average. ...and average is just not going to win it all unless you happen to be Trent Dilfer with the 2000 Ravens.


 

Now I would take Cutler over Henne because he BLOWS Henne away, but I don't see Cutler signing unless he's starting.

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In 2015 Bortles' numbers were roughly similar to that of Matt Ryan. Ryan had a better completion rate (66.3 versus 58.6) but had a roughly similar amount of INT's and a lot fewer TD's (21/16 versus 35/18) while getting sacked a lot less (30 for 206 versus 51 for 320). I think your "rates" talk is baloney, Bortles in 2015 looked like a largely competent QB that needed to improve a few elements of his game (INT's and completion percentage) to break into the top third of NFL QB's. For a myriad of reasons he wasn't able to do that and he regressed massively from 2015 to 2016, some of that regression is on the coaches but some of it is on Bortles. The coaches have been replaced and Bortles appears to be have recognized whatever his part was in the regression is working to correct that. 

 

 

Had to quote this. Well said.

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No wonder why Jags fans aren't taken seriously. Teddy WAS and always WAS a backup QB. He held the Vikings back; every scout and coach knows it. Had teddy been 100% healthy, he would have NEVER gotten his job back over Bradford, an average NFL starter, 

 

Blake has the ability to be elite. That's his upside. Once again, will he reach that ceiling? No one knows. Coughlin, Marrone, and the new talent around will help him. Any scout/coach/GM in the world would rather risk getting a world beater with upside of being elite like Bortles than grabbing a game manager like Teddy/David Garrard.

 

 

Heck, Bradford doesn't even qualify as average because he's not even as good as Cutler, but it's clear as day that he's miles better than Teddy.

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He also said something I don't like. Said " your guy brandon Allan (3rd qb).

Probably could come in and produce better than Bortles or Henny but we'll never see the field and less Bortles and Heaney both get injured because of draft status who said when a team draft a quarterback really high it's next to impossible for them to go to the third-string guy and give him a real shot

 

 

I know. I think people overlook that while he was drafted late, it was a very deep qb class with a few starters in the NFL. I'm telling you, Brandon Allen throws a beautiful deep pass. Now, I don't know why he's not on the field more, but I do know it has little if anything to do with his arm.

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'02

After he told me this I looked up Brandon Allen highlights from college and I'll be damned that guy can truly throw the ball with accuracy and he looks natural

 

 

Yeah...that's what I'm saying... he's just so natural throwing the ball, and that goes for all levels of the field from short to deep. I have no doubts in my mind that he can throw, but until we see him more in game action it's hard to know about the rest of his game. I would like to know that Allen is at least given a fair shot to compete with Henne straight up for the backup role.


 

...part of me keeps wondering if we have Dak on our roster with Brandon and just don't know it.

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'02

Even though Greenbay had Farve.  Why did they draft Rodgers?  Was that a mistake?   Even though 49ers had Montana they drafted Young?  Mistake?  Even though Patriots (who people want to trade everyone to)  Have brady they drafted Grop.  Looking like a mistake? 

 

 

Not that I disagree with having a young developing option on the roster... although I wonder if Allen is this... but I thought I'd comment on these cases...


 

The Packers drafted Rodgers very late in a draft where he should have been a top pick. It just so happened that absolutely nobody needed a QB that year and he fell way too far. By the time the Packers picked him he was far and away the best player on the board without any question. The Packers likewise did not need a qb, but felt they couldn't pass on his draft value alone.


 

The 49ers did not draft Young... they traded a turkey sandwich to the Bucs for him after it looked like he'd be a disaster. But Walsh saw something he liked in the RB/QB, and the rest is history.


 

Grop makes sense because Brady is old. It's not rocket science, although it is interesting how willing they are to trade him.

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Why must "plan B" have to be a QB better than Bortles
? He's just saying we need an option if Blake can't go, and Henne ain't it. For instance, Chase Daniels would be a decent plan B. If Blake regresses, it's Daniels time and I can live with that.

What have you seen from Chase Daniels for you to have this faith in him?

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I'm not sayin that he is irreplaceable.  I'm just saying we drafted allen and have resigned Henne, AND, with the FA moves of the Franchise i see Bortles 2017.  With the rising noise of the 2018 QB class i see the organization going backup or new starter next year not this year.  

 

With all that said, i would much rather focus on every area BB5 needs to improve on but thinking 2 years ahead is like saying your giving up this year and just waiting till next before the season even starts because you feel our QB will fail which means our team will likely fail.  Eh do ya'll.

 

 

I know... they actually did already sign Henne. That's the hard one for me to accept, but it actually did happen. Still, I'm hoping it's just to compete for the backup role and that it's not just being given to him yet again.


 

I wonder about drafting another with the thought that our qbs might something like 1. Bortles 2 Allen 3. Webb ...however, in the back of my mind it's like I know they won't and we'll have to suffer through the same situation all over with not wanting to touch Henne but him being our backup nonetheless. This unfortunately makes more sense when I keep hearing that the 2018 QB class is expected to put this year's class to shame.

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