Solomon doesnt have a length issue lol he has 33 inch arms which is 1/4th shorter than khalil mack. Hes not a tweener, hes an edge player stanford used inside. Nobody skips their own pick voluntarily to save a couple mil. Thats [BAD WORD REMOVED] stupid. You take the top guy on your board.

 

 

Nobody was talking about Solomon. I'm sure he'll be gone by #4. The top guy on my board is Lamp, just like Zack Martin was the top guy on my board in 2014. I know it isn't popular to rank OG's so high, but I believe the best player is the best player, no matter the position.

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What about teams like Arizona, Washington (who I have taking a QB, because I doubt Cousins signs a new deal with them and they cannot Franchise him anymore), Cleveland, New Orleans, Buffalo (they show little to no confidence in Tyrod Taylor), Houston, Kansas City or even Pittsburgh as Ben Roethlisberger as been contemplating retirement? It also would not surprise me if the Chargers were looking for a new QB as well. Rivers is older, has made hints about an impending retirement and has openly said he wasn't thrilled about moving to L.A. All of these teams could be looking for an immediate starting QB, an upgrade at QB or someone to eventually replace their current starting QB. Heck, there should be at least a couple of teams salivating at the chance to get one of the DB's or even Fournette as well. I still am very hopeful we will get several offers for the #4 pick. 

I discussed this in more depth in a different thread, but let me give the Cliff's notes version....

 

I see Arizona ending up with Kizer.  He represents the big strong armed prototypical QB that Arians has historically worked with.  He even brought in Leftwich to be QB coach, and Leftwich was the big, strong armed guy in that mold.  Washington needs a long term answer whether it is Cousins or someone else.  But as it stands now, they have Cousins and their pick is too low to trade up to us without giving up a truckload.  If they trade Cousins, presumably to SF, they would definitely be in the market for a QB, but they'd presumably pick two spots ahead of us and there would be no need for them to trade up with their original first round pick.  Clevelandmight be one of those teams who might deal up, and they have the ammunition to do it, and they are not too low for us to deal down IMO.  However, SF aside, the one team in the top ten they need to move ahead of to guarantee a QB would seem to be the Jets at 6, and they can deal with Tennessee at 5 to move ahead of them.  New Orleans could use a QB to groom to replace Brees,  But Payton has also been clear throughout the offseason he needs pass rushers, and the Saints two picks in the first round are ideally placed to land one of the edge rushers.  Buffalo just signed Taylor to a new deal.  While neither his new deal nor his prior performance is an absolute bar to the Bills being in the market for a QB, I am not inclined to put the Bills in the "most desperate" category.

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Nobody was talking about Solomon. I'm sure he'll be gone by #4. The top guy on my board is Lamp, just like Zack Martin was the top guy on my board in 2014. I know it isn't popular to rank OG's so high, but I believe the best player is the best player, no matter the position.

Then take him at 4 like any other normal human would

do. Theres no need for anything else youre talking about in this thread.

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I discussed this in more depth in a different thread, but let me give the Cliff's notes version....

 

I see Arizona ending up with Kizer.  He represents the big strong armed prototypical QB that Arians has historically worked with.  He even brought in Leftwich to be QB coach, and Leftwich was the big, strong armed guy in that mold.  Washington needs a long term answer whether it is Cousins or someone else.  But as it stands now, they have Cousins and their pick is too low to trade up to us without giving up a truckload.  If they trade Cousins, presumably to SF, they would definitely be in the market for a QB, but they'd presumably pick two spots ahead of us and there would be no need for them to trade up with their original first round pick.  Clevelandmight be one of those teams who might deal up, and they have the ammunition to do it, and they are not too low for us to deal down IMO.  However, SF aside, the one team in the top ten they need to move ahead of to guarantee a QB would seem to be the Jets at 6, and they can deal with Tennessee at 5 to move ahead of them.  New Orleans could use a QB to groom to replace Brees,  But Payton has also been clear throughout the offseason he needs pass rushers, and the Saints two picks in the first round are ideally placed to land one of the edge rushers.  Buffalo just signed Taylor to a new deal.  While neither his new deal nor his prior performance is an absolute bar to the Bills being in the market for a QB, I am not inclined to put the Bills in the "most desperate" category.

 

I agree about Arizona. I have them taking the best defensive player in round 1 and selecting Kizer in round 2. I don't see any way he gets selected in round 1, but who knows? I could be surprised.

 

I see no way to repair the Cousins/Washington rift. I believe he plays out this year and moves on via free agency in 2018, since Washington can't franchise him anymore. I think he will have several suitors, but will end up in Frisco. I think Washington knows this and will take his replacement. I have them taking DeShaun Watson at #17. I don't see the Niners taking a QB too high, because they wanna get it right and they know they have a good shot at Cousins in 2018. If they do take a QB, I think it will be on day 3.

 

I don't see the Jets taking a QB. They have several developmental QB's already on their roster and since there is no standout QB's in this draft and they are in total rebuild, I believe they will roll with Josh McCown in 2017 and focus on a true franchise QB in 2018. I believe they will be favorites to land Sam Darnold.

 

New Orleans is intriguing. I see them taking the best DE on the board at #11 and seeing who falls to #32. I believe they are gonna target Mahomes with that pick and then take a CB in round 2. 

 

I believe the Bills are a wildcard. They actually made Taylor take a huge pay cut to stay with the team and made it a lot easier to cut him at the end of the 2017 season. For some reason they are doing everything in their power to distance themselves from him. 

 

It'll be interesting to see what Cleveland does. It's almost a certainty they will take Garrett #1, but I know they love Trubisky. Do they wait to try and get him at pick #12 or do they try to trade up and get ahead of teams like New Orleans, Buffalo, the Jets and maybe even San Diego to land him? 

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Then take him at 4 like any other normal human would

do. Theres no need for anything else youre talking about in this thread.

 

 

If I took him at #4 overall, people would roast me for that too. 

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If I took him at #4 overall, people would roast me for that too.

No that's a far better option than willingly moving down the draft for free to save 2.5 million on the contract.

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If I took him at #4 overall, people would roast me for that too. 

1.  You would be roasted far less for taking Solomon Thomas at 4 than you would for passing several times, not getting anything in return for surrendering draft position, all in the name of getting value, especially if you wound up missing out on the player you want.

 

2.  Thing is, you can be vindicated by controversial decisions at times.  TC got a lot of flak for drafting Marcus Stroud over Kenyatta Walker in 2001.  Kiper trashed him for it.  Jaguars fans and media trashed him for it.  I know when Polian picked Edgerrin James over Ricky Williams, that raised a few eyebrows.  In Philly, when they chose Donovan McNabb over Ricky Williams that same year, it was a huge controversy.  The texans cought heat for taking Mario Williams  over Reggie Bush and Vince Young.  As it turns out, Casserly was right.

 

If you can't trade down, take the guy you want and deal with the blow back later.  But don't risk everything by passing.

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I agree about Arizona. I have them taking the best defensive player in round 1 and selecting Kizer in round 2. I don't see any way he gets selected in round 1, but who knows? I could be surprised.

 

I see no way to repair the Cousins/Washington rift. I believe he plays out this year and moves on via free agency in 2018, since Washington can't franchise him anymore. I think he will have several suitors, but will end up in Frisco. I think Washington knows this and will take his replacement. I have them taking DeShaun Watson at #17. I don't see the Niners taking a QB too high, because they wanna get it right and they know they have a good shot at Cousins in 2018. If they do take a QB, I think it will be on day 3.

 

I don't see the Jets taking a QB. They have several developmental QB's already on their roster and since there is no standout QB's in this draft and they are in total rebuild, I believe they will roll with Josh McCown in 2017 and focus on a true franchise QB in 2018. I believe they will be favorites to land Sam Darnold.

 

New Orleans is intriguing. I see them taking the best DE on the board at #11 and seeing who falls to #32. I believe they are gonna target Mahomes with that pick and then take a CB in round 2. 

 

I believe the Bills are a wildcard. They actually made Taylor take a huge pay cut to stay with the team and made it a lot easier to cut him at the end of the 2017 season. For some reason they are doing everything in their power to distance themselves from him. 

 

It'll be interesting to see what Cleveland does. It's almost a certainty they will take Garrett #1, but I know they love Trubisky. Do they wait to try and get him at pick #12 or do they try to trade up and get ahead of teams like New Orleans, Buffalo, the Jets and maybe even San Diego to land him? 

Agreed on Arizona.  Kizer could go there in either of the first two rounds...but if he's still on the board in round two, I don't see how Arizona passes on him again. 

 

I agree with you on the Jets.  They have spent a lot of reasonably high draft capital (2nd round picks) on QBs in recent years (Geno Smith, Hackenburg).  I think they will let Hackenburg or McCown get beat up behind a makeshift OL and next year the Jets will take one of the franchise guys next year. barring miraculous development from Hackenburg.  But if you are a team beneath them, do you risk standing pat and having them take your guy?

 

To me, Cleveland is the true wildcard.  Right now, the talk is that the Patriots will not trade Garoppolo.  Perhaps this is to drive up his value, or perhaps this is because Belicheck and the Pats actually see him as the heir apparent to Brady.  However, with the recent trades, the Pats have no picks in the first two rounds, while Cleveland has a bumper crop of picks in the first two rounds the next two years. 12 is a good spot for one of the QBs.  Or if their reported interest in Garoppolo is true, maybe they deal that pick to New England, or maybe they deal picks to move ahead of the Jets.

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1.  You would be roasted far less for taking Solomon Thomas at 4 than you would for passing several times, not getting anything in return for surrendering draft position, all in the name of getting value, especially if you wound up missing out on the player you want.

 

2.  Thing is, you can be vindicated by controversial decisions at times.  TC got a lot of flak for drafting Marcus Stroud over Kenyatta Walker in 2001.  Kiper trashed him for it.  Jaguars fans and media trashed him for it.  I know when Polian picked Edgerrin James over Ricky Williams, that raised a few eyebrows.  In Philly, when they chose Donovan McNabb over Ricky Williams that same year, it was a huge controversy.  The texans cought heat for taking Mario Williams  over Reggie Bush and Vince Young.  As it turns out, Casserly was right.

 

If you can't trade down, take the guy you want and deal with the blow back later.  But don't everything by passing.

 

 

1. I know, but I fully believe the 49'ers are targeting Thomas with the #2 pick and B, I'm one of the few people on this board who is not sold at all on him. I have several DE's ahead of him. I just don't see an elite pass rusher when I watch him play. I think he's a 4-6 sack guy in the NFL and that's not worth a top 5 pick. 

 

2. In any case, Lamp is the top player on my board. He's who I would select with our top pick, by any means necessary. 

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Agreed on Arizona.  Kizer could go there in either of the first two rounds...but if he's still on the board in round two, I don't see how Arizona passes on him again. 

 

I agree with you on the Jets.  They have spent a lot of reasonably high draft capital (2nd round picks) on QBs in recent years (Geno Smith, Hackenburg).  I think they will let Hackenburg or McCown get beat up behind a makeshift OL and next year the Jets will take one of the franchise guys next year. barring miraculous development from Hackenburg.  But if you are a team beneath them, do you risk standing pat and having them take your guy?

 

To me, Cleveland is the true wildcard.  Right now, the talk is that the Patriots will not trade Garoppolo.  Perhaps this is to drive up his value, or perhaps this is because Belicheck and the Pats actually see him as the heir apparent to Brady.  However, with the recent trades, the Pats have no picks in the first two rounds, while Cleveland has a bumper crop of picks in the first two rounds the next two years. 12 is a good spot for one of the QBs.  Or if their reported interest in Garoppolo is true, maybe they deal that pick to New England, or maybe they deal picks to move ahead of the Jets.

 

 

With Cleveland, I think they are dead set on Garoppolo or Trubisky. With Jimmy G. apparently off the table, they are very likely to trade up and secure Trubisky. If we could get that #12 pick from them, I'd snap up Forest Lamp in record time. 

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If I took him at #4 overall, people would roast me for that too.

no one "roasted" the redskins for taking scherff at 5

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1. I know, but I fully believe the 49'ers are targeting Thomas with the #2 pick and B, I'm one of the few people on this board who is not sold at all on him. I have several DE's ahead of him. I just don't see an elite pass rusher when I watch him play. I think he's a 4-6 sack guy in the NFL and that's not worth a top 5 pick. 

 

2. In any case, Lamp is the top player on my board. He's who I would select with our top pick, by any means necessary. 

I am a Solomon Thomas fan.  I don't necessarily see a double digit sack guy when I see him, but I see a guy who could consistently give you 8-10 sacks a year, versatility, and leadership.

 

When I think of Lamp, I am reminded of Matt Light.  Light played T at Purdue, but due to arm length, many scouts viewed him more as a G.  Not an overly big or dominating run blocker, Light definitely had the feet and technique to be a great pass protector for a long time.  That is who I see when I see Lamp.  I think Lamp has the feet to be a good pass protecting LT.  The only things working against him are arm length/weight and, to a lesser degree, coming from Western Kentucky.  But that latter point is mitigated a great deal by his performance against Alabama.

 

My ideal scenario is that somehow, like Light was some 16 years ago, Lamp will be around at the top of the 2nd round and we snap him up.

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It'll be interesting to see what Cleveland does. It's almost a certainty they will take Garrett #1, but I know they love Trubisky. Do they wait to try and get him at pick #12 or do they try to trade up and get ahead of teams like New Orleans, Buffalo, the Jets and maybe even San Diego to land him? 

 

 

I'm thinking the Browns get Garrett #1 along with Trubisky, but not at #12... rather, ,at #33.

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I wasn't really advocating it. I openly advocate trading down, but I was given what I consider an unrealistic scenario where we would get no offers what so ever for the #4 pick. That would in no way change my mind from taking the exact same players I wanted all along though. Under the scenario I used, I would just be getting Lamp at #12 instead of reaching for him at #4. Either way, I want Lamp and he's my target with our first pick. 

 

 

You sound like Gene Smith after drafting Alualu.

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My current approach to the #4 pick looks like...

1. Garrett, but of course he won't fall
   
   
2. Solomon Thomas
   
   
3. trade down for a good deal
   
   
4. Jonathan Allen or Leonard Fournette
   
   
5. trade down for a crappy deal
   
   
6. McCaffrey or OJ Howard
   
   

#6 is where I'm forced to reach and yet I'm still not reaching that hard for Lamp. I'd rather risk that Lamp falls to #35 or trade up with our 4th to the #28 spot for Lamp.

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no one "roasted" the redskins for taking scherff at 5

 

 

A lot of people actually thought they were gonna use him as an OT though. He played OT in college. 

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I am a Solomon Thomas fan.  I don't necessarily see a double digit sack guy when I see him, but I see a guy who could consistently give you 8-10 sacks a year, versatility, and leadership.

 

When I think of Lamp, I am reminded of Matt Light.  Light played T at Purdue, but due to arm length, many scouts viewed him more as a G.  Not an overly big or dominating run blocker, Light definitely had the feet and technique to be a great pass protector for a long time.  That is who I see when I see Lamp.  I think Lamp has the feet to be a good pass protecting LT.  The only things working against him are arm length/weight and, to a lesser degree, coming from Western Kentucky.  But that latter point is mitigated a great deal by his performance against Alabama.

 

My ideal scenario is that somehow, like Light was some 16 years ago, Lamp will be around at the top of the 2nd round and we snap him up.

 

 

I just don't see any way Lamp falls that far. Feeney.............................. maybe, but definitely not Lamp.

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I just don't see any way Lamp falls that far. Feeney.............................. maybe, but definitely not Lamp.

 

 

I just really don't see the Packers passing on him at #29, and we'd have to at least spend our 4th round pick to get to #28.

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I just really don't see the Packers passing on him at #29, and we'd have to at least spend our 4th round pick to get to #28.

the packers defense is terrible

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Packers still have no corners, no inside linebackers, and only Daniels, Perry, Clay, and the rookie from last year on the line. If they took a guard put aaron on suicide watch

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