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Deacon · 04-01-2015, 01:46 PM

Now that "Top Tier" Free Agency is done, the picture of the Jacksonville Offense has come into a little bit sharper focus. With the additions of Thomas at Tight End, Parnell at Right Tackle, the under-the-radar additions of Arrelious Benn, Bryan Walters, and Damien Copeland at WR (bit players, to be sure) I'm getting an idea of what the team wants out of its Offense.

Now, this is where we come in!

Draw up your formation and play including who goes where and talk us through it. I'll include a play that I set up earlier this year on the board as a jumping off point.

The Formation:

This formation is heavy to one side in order to bring the Defense over to counter the obvious running threat to one side. However, with the addition of the "4", either Right Side O-Lineman can pull over to the Weak side and lead the RB down the field.



5 is on the line and is crucial to the play in that he needs to be a threat to the Defense down the field.



3 is set back off of the line in order to relieve him of a jam and to be able to send him into motion either in or out to flex the Defense.

5 O O 0 O O 6

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 2

The Players:



5 is a bigger WR who can win in one-on-one or draw Safety help. I'm thinking Robinson or Blackmon here.



6 is an "Inline" Y Tight End who is an accomplished blocker. Marcedes fits here very well. He is a threat to the Run Defense in that he can pin a LB to the inside, and he can also threaten the seam if the Safety shades over to the "5".



4 is a "Move" Tight End or H-back that can block a LB one on one or help the RT via chip. He can easily run a route to the Sideline, go deep, or even a 15 yard "Out" route. A wrinkle to this is that "4" is also a threat to run via an inside handoff. Think either Gerhart or Julius Thomas here.



3 is a WR who will benefit from being off the line and being able to motion and free himself from the jam due to formation. I picture Marqise Lee being a natural fit here.



2 is your modern NFL RB, pick a guy.

The Play:



Send 5 deep if for nothing else than to run off the CB and make the Safety take notice. A 15 yard comeback would probably be deadly if no Safety help is seen.



Have 6 step down to block and release if it's a pass. If it's a run, pin the DE and combo to a LB.



4 Flares out behind 6 in order to make the LB find him and chase. Make the LB move out to cover and open up the interior.



3 can come in motion over to the other side if needed, or even run a Jet sweep to the Weak side.



Send 2 to wherever the play goes.

What do you got?

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**NYC4jags** · 04-01-2015, 02:38 PM

I posted this in the FB thread --- but it presents some very interesting plays that utilize 2 or even 3 TEs. In some of these formations, it's easy to see where Gerhart might be used as the third TE in an H-Back role.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/strateg...ssing-game

This one in particular is interesting because the '06 Chargers used Gates as a decoy to spring Tomlinson up the sideline. Easy to see that working with J Thomas and D Robinson, IMO.

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This one in particular ^^ is interesting because the '06 Chargers used Gates as a decoy to spring Tomlinson up the sideline. Easy to see that potentially working with J Thomas and D Robinson, IMO. Also note the TE/H-Back in the backfield (Gerhart) who helps guard the QB's blindside while he let's the RB get to a soft spot.

Deacon · 04-01-2015, 02:48 PM

NYC,

Your formation is probably more "modern" NFL with the Shotgun set and all, and probably has a better chance of seeing the light of day. I keep on forgetting that you really can run out of Shotgun, even though it is a pass-heavy alignment.

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Bullseye · 04-01-2015, 02:54 PM

That's what having a threat at TE can do for your offense. It opens a lot of possibilities.

Worst to 1st. Curse Reversed!

**NYC4jags** · 04-01-2015, 02:59 PM

Quote:NYC,

Your formation is probably more "modern" NFL with the Shotgun set and all, and probably has a better chance of seeing the light of day. I keep on forgetting that you really can run out of Shotgun, even though it is a pass-heavy alignment.

Technically it's a Cam Cameron formation. I can't take any credit other perusing a bunch of google results :teehee:

I like the play you've drawn up. I could see it working as a shallow cross to the #3 guy (Lee) - or even a toss-sweep to the RB

using (4),(6), and (3) as blockers to give the ballcarrier a chance to get to the second level.

Deacon · 04-01-2015, 03:00 PM

Quote:That's what having a threat at TE can do for your offense. It opens a lot of possibilities.

Indeed!

Having two Tight Ends, even when only one is a true "threat", really can present a lot of problems for a Defense. Especially if you have lined up a Defensive Back on one and he has to try and defeat his block.

They really do create a Run-Pass conundrum for teams to account for.

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Deacon · 04-01-2015, 03:00 PM

Quote:Technically it's a Cam Cameron formation. I can't take any credit other perusing a bunch of google results :teehee:

I like the play you've drawn up. I could see it working as a shallow cross to the #3 guy (Lee) - or even a toss-sweep to the RB

using (4),(6), and (3) as blockers to give the ballcarrier a chance to get to the second level.

I'll be sure to tell the Copyright Attorneys that you gave the proper credit.

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**NYC4jags** · 04-01-2015, 03:02 PM

Quote:I'll be sure to tell the Copyright Attorneys that you gave the proper credit.

You said "Let's get technical" :teehee:

Catfanatic1979v1 · 04-01-2015, 03:09 PM

With a slight tweak, we can run the pistol just by moving the qb back.

Deacon · 04-01-2015, 03:31 PM

Quote:With a slight tweak, we can run the pistol just by moving the qb back.

What about the Pistol makes you want to run it? Is there an advantage to it that you'd like to exploit?

5 O O 0 O O 6

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 2

Now that I look at this though, there might be a very nice "mesh" between 1 turning to his Right, 4 going Left, and 2 going Right. This could cause some hesitation by the Defense.

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Deacon · 04-01-2015, 03:33 PM

Quote:You said "Let's get technical" :teehee:

Damn you! You're so smart!

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SpeedyG · 04-01-2015, 04:15 PM

This pretty much illustrates why, when we signed Thomas, I was confident that the Jags would retain Lewis. It keeps the defense honest. We can run or pass out of this formation without really tipping anything off. I do lean more towards a balanced formation (1 TE each side). However, one other formation (alternative to 1st post) that I think can be an asset is a trips formation.

Deacon · 04-01-2015, 04:18 PM

Quote:This pretty much illustrates why, when we signed Thomas, I was confident that the Jags would retain Lewis. It keeps the defense honest. We can run or pass out of this formation without really tipping anything off. I do lean more towards a balanced formation (1 TE each side). However, one other formation (alternative to 1st post) that I think can be an asset is a trips formation.

So for you to have your druthers, you'd have something like this?

 4 O O 0 O O 6

 5 1 3





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This seems very traditional to me, and you can exploit a lot of different parts of the field here. Anything specific that you'd like to run?

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ThunderCat · 04-01-2015, 04:49 PM

Who's Blackmon? Is he on the team?

Deacon · 04-02-2015, 09:46 AM

Quote:Who's Blackmon? Is he on the team?

Sure!

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**NYC4jags** · 04-02-2015, 09:53 AM

Kinda/Sort-of......

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Yo Boy · 04-02-2015, 10:16 AM

Wow! You put time into this, anyways I can see advantages and disadvantages in your play. Of course advantages are utilizing strong side,play-action,and personnel mix-matches.Disadvantages i see is the weak side and leaving Joeckel on a island, another is tipping off that the strong side, which is to the right which could allow defenses to shift and realign coverage and schemes. Lastly you didnt show any routes for the position or no defense.Although you explained it, in football you also have to show players and people the play.Good post tho!

**NYC4jags** · 04-02-2015, 10:18 AM

Quote:This pretty much illustrates why, when we signed Thomas, I was confident that the Jags would retain Lewis. It keeps the defense honest. We can run or pass out of this formation without really tipping anything off. I do lean more towards a balanced formation (1 TE each side). However, one other formation (alternative to 1st post) that I think can be an asset is a trips formation.

Here's something somewhat similar to the trips formation. The "tight bunch." Houston attempted this against Seattle - so you'll recognize the defense.

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This play seems to have the potential to leave a Julius Thomas type in single coverage with a FS or nickel (s).

If it doesn't accomplish that it likely leaves a favorable matchup elsewhere.

imtheblkranger · 04-02-2015, 10:28 AM

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Deacon · 04-02-2015, 10:37 AM

Quote:Wow! You put time into this, anyways I can see advantages and disadvantages in your play. Of course advantages are utilizing strong side,play-action,and personnel mix-matches.Disadvantages i see is the weak side and leaving Joeckel on a island, another is tipping off that the strong side, which is to the right which could allow defenses to shift and realign coverage and schemes. Lastly you didnt show any routes for the position or no defense.Although you explained it, in football you also have to show players and people the play.Good post tho!

I figure that trying to show a specific Defense would kind of limit the play so I left it out. But in an effort to be specific, I'll draw up a 4-3 Under that's been around for quite a while.





 F

 $

 W M C

 C J T N E S

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For the Defense drawn up, I like the idea of a combo block by the Left Tackle up to the Will LB (W)
. Now, this is an obvious 'tell' since the Defense will know that it's a run almost immediately, but there are times when it's okay to be deliberate on the football field.

The Weakside End (J) can be kicked out by either a pulling Right Guard or the '4' player.

Since the Weakside Corner is in Press, he is an easy block for '5'.

'T' is taken by the Left Guard with an assist by LT as stated above. Center has N, RT has 'E'.

Either '4' or the Right Guard - whomever did not pull - takes 'M'.

'6' releases inside of 'S', cuts off '$'s pursuit angle, and heads for 'F'.

'3' can go in motion to get within striking distance of his corner.

I'm trying to make myself more informed and less opinionated.

Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!