Look at the recent Super Bowl winners.

 

The high flying passing attack offenses fizzle in the playoffs.  See Manning in Denver.

 

However, the teams that can pound the rock and stop the run (in addition to being able to move the ball in big chunks) take home trophies.

 

The "new" style wins games and gets you to the playoffs.  However, when the dust settles old school still wins rings.

That doesn't mean they have traditional FBs. Those days are long gone.

 

Who was NE's traditional FB? They didn't have one. 

 

I agree that you need players who can play FB but that doesn't mean you need someone who is just a FB.

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That doesn't mean they have traditional FBs. Those days are long gone.


Who was NE's traditional FB? They didn't have one.


I agree that you need players who can play FB but that doesn't mean you need someone who is just a FB.

Seattle does.

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

That doesn't mean they have traditional FBs. Those days are long gone.

 

Who was NE's traditional FB? They didn't have one. 

 

I agree that you need players who can play FB but that doesn't mean you need someone who is just a FB.

 

I said nothing about needing a FB.  My comment was about running the football.  And I agree with you about not necessarily needing a fullback.

 

Teams that go without them tend to use "move" TEs, jumbo backs, and/or linemen in certain packages for that role.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

Funny... When it was suggested last season that Toby could move to FB we got comments like "this isn't Madden" and "he's not a Fullback".


Seems to be a lot more possible now.

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Funny... When it was suggested last season that Toby could move to FB we got comments like "this isn't Madden" and "he's not a Fullback".


Seems to be a lot more possible now.

I still kinda' doubt we see him in a traditional fullback role very much, if at all.  Lining up at H-back and providing an additional blocker in the backfield and serving as an additional receiving possibility is quite different from the lead-blocking role that Greg Jones played in Jax. 

 

Teams that have used the H-Back in recent years have even used them with a traditional FB on the field at the same time. 

 

I like this article that shows some well-conceived fairly-recent H-Back applications in the NFL:

 

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/strateg...tight-ends

 

Some passing possibilities if Toby is an H-Back:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/strateg...ssing-game

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I still kinda' doubt we see him in a traditional fullback role very much, if at all.  Lining up at H-back and providing an additional blocker in the backfield and serving as an additional receiving possibility is quite different from the lead-blocking role that Greg Jones played in Jax. 

 

Teams that have used the H-Back in recent years have even used them with a traditional FB on the field at the same time. 

 

I like this article that shows some well-conceived fairly-recent H-Back applications in the NFL:

 

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/strateg...tight-ends

I also doubt that we would ever see Toby as a 'traditional' fullback; however, I do think he might make a good 'hybrid' fullback. We know he can catch the ball, and he can block. He is also (occasionally) good for a tough 2-3 carry. I could see him used in combination with DRob as we did a few times last season. At least this 'hybrid' idea gives the team the option to try to get some worth out of the investment in him. If he can't or won't do this role, I could see him getting cut, especially if we pick up a promising RB in the draft. I suspect a lot of other teams might have already parted ways with Toby by now after such a miserable first season like he had here. It will be interesting to see if he can make it this season without getting injured; if he can't, I doubt he will be here next year.

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I y'ams who I y'ams and thats all I y'ams...

What about Tim Tebow for FB?  :thumbsup:

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And to think that for a few years, Del Rio had three on the active roster.

 

wow, that just makes you want to

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What about Tim Tebow for FB?  :thumbsup:

Why'd you have to go there?  It was shaping up to be a good day!

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Yup, I got blasted for mentioning this. But its a reality now.

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Yup, I got blasted for mentioning this. But its a reality now.

It is?

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Gentlemen, things have changed.

 

1) Gerhart is now a fullback.

2) The Jaguars are about to have Todd Gurley, Jay Ajayi, Cameron Artis Payne, or David Johnson.  One of those four.  Maybe even David Cobb.  Seems almost definite they'll draft somebody at RB to complement DRob and maybe even shoulder more carries since DRob is skinny.

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Where are people getting that Gerhart is a FB? Did I miss something? I'm sure Dave will sign an UDFA to be the lead blocking FB and Gerhart will see time there sparingly.

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Where are people getting that Gerhart is a FB? Did I miss something? I'm sure Dave will sign an UDFA to be the lead blocking FB and Gerhart will see time there sparingly.

This ^  

 

If they send Gerhart out there as a traditional lead-blocking fullback, I'll be surprised.  I really don't see that happening and think the assumptions are very permature.

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Where are people getting that Gerhart is a FB? Did I miss something? I'm sure Dave will sign an UDFA to be the lead blocking FB and Gerhart will see time there sparingly.

It was speculation from Ian Rapoport.

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000482707/article/toby-gerhart-to-see-snaps-at-fullback-for-jaguars'>http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000482707/article/toby-gerhart-to-see-snaps-at-fullback-for-jaguars</a>

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

It was speculation from Ian Rapoport.

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000482707/article/toby-gerhart-to-see-snaps-at-fullback-for-jaguars'>http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000482707/article/toby-gerhart-to-see-snaps-at-fullback-for-jaguars</a>

Actually it was speculation from Patra.  Rappaport said H-Back.  Patra tossed in the fullback stuff.  Without any warrant other than there currently not being one on the roster. 

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Actually it was speculation from Patra. Rappaport said H-Back. Patra tossed in the fullback stuff. Without any warrant other than there currently not being one on the roster.

The article originated from Rapoport's tweet.

<a class="bbc_url" href='https://mobile.twitter.com/RapSheet/status/582929884223156224'>https://mobile.twitter.com/RapSheet/status/582929884223156224</a>

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

Didn't realize Rappaport tweeted that second tweet on the topic.  I assumed the article referenced this Rappaport tweet:

 

<a class="bbc_url" href='https://twitter.com/RapSheet' title="External link">Ian RapoportVerified account‏<span style="color:rgb(136,153,166);"><span style="color:rgb(177,187,195);">@RapSheet</span></a></span>

<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;"> 

<p style="font-size:28px;font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(41,47,51);"><a class="bbc_url" href='https://twitter.com/hashtag/Jaguars?src=hash' title="External link">#Jaguars</a> expected to be in the RB market this offseason. One reason: They’ll move Toby Gerhart around, using him an an H-back, as well as RB

 

 

Either way.  I don't see it happening.  Not as a traditional FB. 

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An interesting sidebar here. At the North Dakota State Pro Day, the Jags worked out Kyle Emanuel who is a DE/Otto LB candidate. The interesting thing was the Jags worked him out as a Fullback.

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An interesting sidebar here. At the North Dakota State Pro Day, the Jags worked out Kyle Emanuel who is a DE/Otto LB candidate. The interesting thing was the Jags worked him out as a Fullback.

That's a head scratcher. You have the link for that?

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."