First off I wanna say its good to be back! I got Blackmoned for a while but Im bk now lol.Im starting to feel a lot of promise about the jags, and this off-season and the direction they are going in.Its a pretty good feeling i haven't had in a while.I like they bought in some experienced coaches,for the O-line and the O-Coordinator position.I believe the o-line and play-calling were the jags biggest areas of weakness last year.And having Doug Marrone and Olsen experience should help the jags improve in those areas. I love the FA that came in Odrick,House,Parnell,Thomas just to name a few. I think getting a pro-bowl caliber player like Thomas, is huge for the city,and i am very excited to see if him and Blake can develop chemistry quickly.. I think Parnell gonna beast on the O-line, same with Odrick on the D-Line. House should add quality depth and competition in the secondary, i believe all these guys will start! Now im not blind to the fact that this team still has a long road to go but i do feel good about the road we are on! I believe the jags need a explosive franchise running back and a impact edge rusher out of this draft in order for Caldwell to nail this draft! And if he do that road might not be as long as we all thought.

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First off I wanna say its good to be back! I got Blackmoned for a while but Im bk now lol.Im starting to feel a lot of promise about the jags, and this off-season and the direction they are going in.Its a pretty good feeling i haven't had in a while.I like they bought in some experienced coaches,for the O-line and the O-Coordinator position.I believe the o-line and play-calling were the jags biggest areas of weakness last year.And having Doug Marrone and Olsen experience should help the jags improve in those areas. I love the FA that came in Odrick,House,Parnell,Thomas just to name a few. I think getting a pro-bowl caliber player like Thomas, is huge for the city,and i am very excited to see if him and Blake can develop chemistry quickly.. I think Parnell gonna beast on the O-line, same with Odrick on the D-Line. House should add quality depth and competition in the secondary, i believe all these guys will start! Now im not blind to the fact that this team still has a long road to go but i do feel good about the road we are on! I believe the jags need a explosive franchise running back and a impact edge rusher out of this draft in order for Caldwell to nail this draft! And if he do that road might not be as long as we all thought.

 

Impact edge rusher and explosive running back, I agree.    Pick #3 should be used for the impact edge rusher.   We'll have our pick there.   Too bad we don't also have a pick around #20.   That might give us our pick of the running backs.   I don't want just another running back.   We need a difference maker.   Someone opponents will fear.  

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Holy wall of text!


So I guess I'm the only one who is luke warm to the signings?

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Holy wall of text!


So I guess I'm the only one who is luke warm to the signings?

 

Shocking.

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We've been pretty lucky having fearsome RBs from 1998-2011. Jags fans have definitely been spoiled and maybe taken the RB position for granted over the years.

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We've been pretty lucky having fearsome RBs from 1998-2011. Jags fans have definitely been spoiled and maybe taken the RB position for granted over the years.

This is absolutely true.

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IT WAS ALWAYS THE JAGS

We don't need an explosive running back, those days are over. It's nice to have one but it's not a position of focus anymore. Part of the reason we've fallen behind the nfl is because we've been so focused on the ground game over the last decade.


It's a passing league and it finally APEARS we are trying to build an offense to air it out.

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We don't need an explosive running back, those days are over. It's nice to have one but it's not a position of focus anymore. Part of the reason we've fallen behind the nfl is because we've been so focused on the ground game over the last decade.


It's a passing league and it finally APEARS we are trying to build an offense to air it out.

I disagree most of the good teams that win run the ball. Its a recipe to success. When the jags were good we ran the ball. The problem we been having recently is our offensive line been bad and we havent had a premier running back that can run the ball consistently

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We don't need an explosive running back, those days are over. It's nice to have one but it's not a position of focus anymore. Part of the reason we've fallen behind the nfl is because we've been so focused on the ground game over the last decade.


It's a passing league and it finally APEARS we are trying to build an offense to air it out.

This.

 

The game has evolved and moved on so the rules favor a team that puts emphasis on the passing game, not the running game. Having a great running game is, well... great! However, as 'Eric' pointed out, part of the reason why the Jags have lagged behind is because we've tried to hang on to the past where the game plan was to 'run first'. A team that depends mostly on the running game can't generally put up as many points as fast as a team who emphasizes the passing game. Consequently, the team with the 'run first' game plan is almost always forced to play catch up which is, more often than not, a losing proposition.

 

In the modern game, the run is used to set up the pass, instead of the pass used to set up the run. If we had to pick between a great pass blocking o-line and a great run blocking o-line, we should pick the pass blocking o-line players hands down! We had a pretty good run blocking offensive line not too many years ago... and we went nowhere. 

 

Worrying about getting an 'elite' running back is counterproductive. We need to emphasize elite receivers and elite linesmen on offense. We took a big step forward with J. Thomas; now we need to see about an all pro-level player on our o-line. Who knows... maybe he's already there!

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This.


The game has evolved and moved on so the rules favor a team that puts emphasis on the passing game, not the running game. Having a great running game is, well... great! However, as 'Eric' pointed out, part of the reason why the Jags have lagged behind is because we've tried to hang on to the past where the game plan was to 'run first'. A team that depends mostly on the running game can't generally put up as many points as fast as a team who emphasizes the passing game. Consequently, the team with the 'run first' game plan is almost always forced to play catch up which is, more often than not, a losing proposition.


In the modern game, the run is used to set up the pass, instead of the pass used to set up the run. If we had to pick between a great pass blocking o-line and a great run blocking o-line, we should pick the pass blocking o-line players hands down! We had a pretty good run blocking offensive line not too many years ago... and we went nowhere.


Worrying about getting an 'elite' running back is counterproductive. We need to emphasize elite receivers and elite linesmen on offense. We took a big step forward with J. Thomas; now we need to see about an all pro-level player on our o-line. Who knows... maybe he's already there!

I disagree about getting a elite runner is counterproductive. Thats like saying Barry Sanders wouldnt help the jags. Although i respect your opinion I completely disagree with it. Take the last 4 playoffs team for example Packers had a good rb,Seattle a great rb and the Patriots a good stable of rb..Seattle defending champs made Superbowl bk to bk with the run game and defense. Packers have a elite passing attack but also a great ground and pound game.Patriots the same very balance run and pass attack. The team that was least successful the Colts lost 45-7 to the patriot.Colts have a very good aerial passing game but no run game and it came to haunt them when it mattered and thats the playoffs where u need to be able to run the ball if u want to win. I bet Seattle wishes they would have ran the ball the last play of the Super Bowl.

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 Take the last 4 playoffs team for example Packers had a good rb,Seattle a great rb and the Patriots a good stable of rb.

You completely shot your argument in the foot, you realize that right? Great QB, great QB, great QB, and how convenient it is that you left out the 4th...which was a great QB with a horrible running back. You even used the Patriots building an effective, but extremely cheap, example for your point? If anything the Pats are probably the proof of the #1 reason not to. Seattle isn't even a good example since they acquired Marshawn with a 4th round pick trade. 

 

Basically out of the last 4 teams you have 4 great QBs, a good second round RB (Lacy), an utter failure 1st round RB (Trich) who was a healthy inactive, a 4th round trade RB, and a handful of extremely cheap and expendable Patriot RBs that fit the system and their role well. I think the evidence there would say drafting an elite RB is decidedly NOT the way to build a contending team. 

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I disagree most of the good teams that win run the ball. Its a recipe to success. When the jags were good we ran the ball. The problem we been having recently is our offensive line been bad and we havent had a premier running back that can run the ball consistently

 

Adrian Peterson - yet the vikings still suck

Arian Foster - yet the Texans could never get over the hump

Darren McFadden - the Raiders did so much during his prime

Maurice Jones-Drew - what did the Jaguars accomplish during his prime?

DeMarco Murray - the Cowboys didn't get far with best back in the league last year

Ray Rice - the year they won was the year Flacco played out of his mind, not Rice.

 

I can go on and on and on, a feature back is a luxury. It's nice to have but it's not going to win you a superbowl not in today's league.

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I disagree about getting a elite runner is counterproductive. Thats like saying Barry Sanders wouldnt help the jags. Although i respect your opinion I completely disagree with it. Take the last 4 playoffs team for example Packers had a good rb,Seattle a great rb and the Patriots a good stable of rb..Seattle defending champs made Superbowl bk to bk with the run game and defense. Packers have a elite passing attack but also a great ground and pound game.Patriots the same very balance run and pass attack. The team that was least successful the Colts lost 45-7 to the patriot.Colts have a very good aerial passing game but no run game and it came to haunt them when it mattered and thats the playoffs where u need to be able to run the ball if u want to win. I bet Seattle wishes they would have ran the ball the last play of the Super Bowl.

as a matter of fact, Barry Sanders wouldn't help the Jags in our modern situation as much as he did the lions back in the day. It's quite true that a lot of good teams also have good running backs, and I would like for the Jags to have one too; however, what the point that I thought I was so lucidly making was that building the offense around the running game is counterproductive. Neither the cheese heads, hawks, pats or clots have an offense that is built foremost on the run. All of those teams use the run to set up the passing game. Some have better runners than others but without exception, they are all passing intensive teams. If they were to lean more toward the running game than their exceptional passing game, they wouldn't be the upper tier teams they are.

 

I also did not say 'no run game'... I'm saying the bulk of the league has moved to a far more passing intensive offensive mind set because the rules tend to facilitate doing so. In the modern game, you pass to win, you run to set up the pass. Failing to do that is one of the reasons why the Jags became a perennial bottom dweller in the rankings. If they change the rules back the way they were when Barry Sanders was playing, then I would certainly say 'run first'. But that's not the way it is nor probably ever will be again.

 

But feel free to disagree with me. Some of our past coaches thought the way you do (JDR for instance) and well... it' hasn't been pretty here in a long time.

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I y'ams who I y'ams and thats all I y'ams...

Adrian Peterson - yet the vikings still suck

Arian Foster - yet the Texans could never get over the hump

Darren McFadden - the Raiders did so much during his prime

Maurice Jones-Drew - what did the Jaguars accomplish during his prime?

DeMarco Murray - the Cowboys didn't get far with best back in the league last year

Ray Rice - the year they won was the year Flacco played out of his mind, not Rice.

 

I can go on and on and on, a feature back is a luxury. It's nice to have but it's not going to win you a superbowl not in today's league.

. Seattle didn't win this yrs Super Bowl because they didn't give ball to Marshawn Lynch lol. Russel Wilson is pretty overrated too kinda like Eli Manning use too be.

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We've been pretty lucky having fearsome RBs from 1998-2011. Jags fans have definitely been spoiled and maybe taken the RB position for granted over the years.

 

  The performances of Natrone Means in the 1996 season playoffs also jumps out as part of the Jaguars rich RB history.  

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 Jaguars rich RB history.  

Oh how I wish this "rich RB history" could be virtually any other position. The RB thirst on here is ridiculously overboard, and I definitely think that longing for the golden years is part of it. 

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. Seattle didn't win this yrs Super Bowl because they didn't give ball to Marshawn Lynch lol. Russel Wilson is pretty overrated too kinda like Eli Manning use too be.

Seattle didn't win because they have a game manager at QB and play the odds with defense and a ground game. You can't look at one play and say that's why the didn't win. Swap Manning and Wilson is that game even close?

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Don't get me wrong I grew up watching means and Taylor I love a ground game, but if you build an offense around the ground game your not even competing in today's NFL

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Seattle didn't win because they have a game manager at QB and play the odds with defense and a ground game. You can't look at one play and say that's why the didn't win. Swap Manning and Wilson is that game even close?

No NE wins in blowout we've seen Peyton play terrible year after year in postseason. Including Super Bowl previous yr!

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Don't get me wrong I grew up watching means and Taylor I love a ground game, but if you build an offense around the ground game your not even competing in today's NFL

Hello Rex Ryan.... Ground and Pound!

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