......obligated to find a job because she "gets a check from the government every month".

 

I know there are people who truly need assistance, I've been there myself in the past, but welfare fraud (as well as other entitlement services) is real and anyone who denies it is plain stupid. Not ignorant, but stupid. And politicians won't do much about it, especially the Left, because they don't want to lose votes.

 

The much sadder part of this is that generations are being raised with this entitlement mindset and will grow up believing this is okay and will do nothing to better themselves. That's probably the environment this girl grew up in. 

 

It's really sad in one respect yet completely maddening in another. 

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No one ever denied people like this exist, but the vast majority of people don't like being on welfare and actually get off welfare within a year. As a whole the system does way more good than bad and you don't destroy an entire system because of a few bad instances.

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......obligated to find a job because she "gets a check from the government every month".

 

I know there are people who truly need assistance, I've been there myself in the past, but welfare fraud (as well as other entitlement services) is real and anyone who denies it is plain stupid. Not ignorant, but stupid. And politicians won't do much about it, especially the Left, because they don't want to lose votes.

 

The much sadder part of this is that generations are being raised with this entitlement mindset and will grow up believing this is okay and will do nothing to better themselves. That's probably the environment this girl grew up in. 

 

It's really sad in one respect yet completely maddening in another. 

 

Americus, the truly sad thing about your post and sentiment is the unrecognized entitlement of the right-wing. The republican feeling that somehow society reached its apex when they were born, and the time for giving back to grow society and make sure everyone could live a decent life ended and that it's now time for "I got mine jack".

 

Jack up college prices, get rid of public education, eliminate trade barriers so that people who are already wealthy can make even more money by moving all of the decent jobs for people of low to average mental abilities to 3rd world nations.

 

But, yeah, it's just dark skinned women on welfare (yes, I noticed this example lady was dark skinned. I'd have actually been surprised if the video had been of a white welfare recipient, but that doesn't fit with the right-wing narrative)
are the only ones in the USA with entitlement issues.

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Lol.....a few bad instances? For real? I agree that it is helpful to those who ACTUALLY need it, but there are far too many in this country who abuse it. Don't believe me? Come on over and live in the projects and ghettos for a little while. You have no idea. I do because I've lived there and knew and worked around folks with this mindset. Another thing they do is work just enough to have some actual (and extra) money but not enough to get kicked off of a program. They sell food stamps to get cash for whatever. They certainly don't use it to buy food. I got quite the education on how the system is abused when I worked and lived where I did in Jacksonville. 

 

I'm not saying shut it down, I'm saying there needs to be much more oversight so there is much less fraud. 

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I'm not a huge supporter of welfare but what the story is implying and what the woman actually said are very different.

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I'm not saying shut it down, I'm saying there needs to be much more oversight so there is much less fraud. 

 

How much administrative cost are you willing to put up with for that "oversight"? Is it a case of principle such that there must be ZERO use of the program which you deem fraudulent, or do you believe there's an acceptable trade-off between oversight cost and level of fraud?

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Honestly she sounds more defeated than entitled.  To me this doesn't seem like a particularly egregious case of welfare fraud.  I mean I'm not saying they're not out there.  There are.  but this doesn't even seem like that bad of an example.  I was expecting someone to be liek "I don't need no job, the government done give me my mo-ney."  

 

The real problem is corporate welfare.  


Even as early as 2006, nearly twice the money was spent on corporate welfare as on social welfare. 

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

Americus, the truly sad thing about your post and sentiment is the unrecognized entitlement of the right-wing. The republican feeling that somehow society reached its apex when they were born, and the time for giving back to grow society and make sure everyone could live a decent life ended and that it's now time for "I got mine jack".

 

Jack up college prices, get rid of public education, eliminate trade barriers so that people who are already wealthy can make even more money by moving all of the decent jobs for people of low to average mental abilities to 3rd world nations.

 

But, yeah, it's just dark skinned women on welfare (yes, I noticed this example lady was dark skinned. I'd have actually been surprised if the video had been of a white welfare recipient, but that doesn't fit with the right-wing narrative)
are the only ones in the USA with entitlement issues.

 

Nothing else needs to be said. This sums up everything. 

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Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.

I haven't read the story, I don't really get into the bash welfare people groups. they're down as it is, I have a problem with the waste in the system not necessarily the system. Now I'd argue it would be 100% more efficient if it was done at a more local level (the state level for example) and I could even agree with the argument maybe private charities do a "better" job with welfare.

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Let me see if I understand, You claim the "right wing" jacked up college prices, eliminated public education and eliminated trade barriers? really?

Public education is everywhere my friend.

College is pricy but folks can take out student loans, apply for grants, work and go to school at night, join the military and use the GI bill.

Millions of others have gained a college degree using these various methods. I know because my wife and I have used all of these to gain a college degree.

Trade barriers eliminated by the right -wing? Well the liberal that have been in office for six years now could have easily fixed this issue with the stoke of a pen. Guess its not just a right-wing thing huh?

 

As to welfare, it is a needed program sadly and unfortunately there will always be fraud and abuse in any program that essentially hands out free money.

By the way, the welfare rolls have swelled to record numbers in the past six years. 

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the liberal that have been in office for six years now. 

 

When you don't even understand the basic truths of the current political climate of the USA you're going to be wrong about everything else you're basing your views on.

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Honestly she sounds more defeated than entitled.  To me this doesn't seem like a particularly egregious case of welfare fraud.  I mean I'm not saying they're not out there.  There are.  but this doesn't even seem like that bad of an example.  I was expecting someone to be liek "I don't need no job, the government done give me my mo-ney."  

 

The real problem is corporate welfare.  

Even as early as 2006, nearly twice the money was spent on corporate welfare as on social welfare. 

 

^^ this corporate welfare is a much bigger problem

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Ah , I see you cannot or will not dispute the facts I wrote so you attempt to dismiss my statements as "you don't understand"

Yeah right, you have no idea what I understand.

You made BS statements about how the "right-wing" and now you can't back them up.

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You made [BAD WORD REMOVED] statements about how the "right-wing" and now you can't back them up.

 

Sorry, I'm not interested in teaching yet another class on economics, trade, taxes, and civics in this thread.

 

If you're truly interested you can do some research on your own. If you're not interested then my teachings would fall on deaf ears anyway.

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Ah , I see you cannot or will not dispute the facts I wrote so you attempt to dismiss my statements as "you don't understand"

Yeah right, you have no idea what I understand.

You made [BAD WORD REMOVED] statements about how the "right-wing" and now you can't back them up.

 

He doesn't think Obama is a liberal, Oklahomie thinks the democrats are not liberals, so that's where he is coming from. Oklahomie from what I can tell has a European view where the left is more or less socialist if not full blown communist.

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No one asked you to teach anything.

As far as me being interested and doing research that's a joke right? I lived it.

You made statements that were not true and you try to dismiss it.

Cool, I didn't think you could back them up.

I'm done here.

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No one asked you to teach anything.

As far as me being interested and doing research that's a joke right? I lived it.

You made statements that were not true and you try to dismiss it.

Cool, I didn't think you could back them up.

I'm done here.

 

Yes, yes, you're so brilliant, drop the mic, walk off the stage, thanks for your contribution.

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Let me see if I understand, You claim the "right wing" jacked up college prices, eliminated public education and eliminated trade barriers? really?

Public education is everywhere my friend.

College is pricy but folks can take out student loans, apply for grants, work and go to school at night, join the military and use the GI bill.

Millions of others have gained a college degree using these various methods. I know because my wife and I have used all of these to gain a college degree.

Trade barriers eliminated by the right -wing? Well the liberal that have been in office for six years now could have easily fixed this issue with the stoke of a pen. Guess its not just a right-wing thing huh?

 

As to welfare, it is a needed program sadly and unfortunately there will always be fraud and abuse in any program that essentially hands out free money.

By the way, the welfare rolls have swelled to record numbers in the past six years. 

 

Standardized testing which brother Bush implemented has all but cut enrollment in half at the majority of public schools due to failing grades.

 

So you encourage students to take out student loans even if the job or career they go into 7/10 times will not provide a annual salary that will pay off the debt?

 

Obama has actually reduced welfare benefits. 

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Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.

Let me see if I understand, You claim the "right wing" jacked up college prices, eliminated public education and eliminated trade barriers? really?

Public education is everywhere my friend.

College is pricy but folks can take out student loans, apply for grants, work and go to school at night, join the military and use the GI bill.

Millions of others have gained a college degree using these various methods. I know because my wife and I have used all of these to gain a college degree.

Trade barriers eliminated by the right -wing? Well the liberal that have been in office for six years now could have easily fixed this issue with the stoke of a pen. Guess its not just a right-wing thing huh?

 

As to welfare, it is a needed program sadly and unfortunately there will always be fraud and abuse in any program that essentially hands out free money.

By the way, the welfare rolls have swelled to record numbers in the past six years. 

 

The right wants to cut back on Public Education funding.  Of course the Left does too.  And the Libertarians.  Funding public education is one of the harder things to get money for.  If everything else was as hard to get money for, let's just say that our military would be a guy armed with a stick.  (A stick that he bought with his own money, because we're not paying for a guy to have a stick)

 

As for taking out college loans... those are outrageous, and people are in debt before they can even get a job, and even then they can't get a job because the degree alone isn't enough.   No, they need experience.  And they can't get experience without first having experience that they can't get without experience.

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

Student loans....ha they are a detriment to more people than they are a positive.  Sure they will get you a college education.  A college education that very well may never pay off those loans.  Particularly at a four year school + graduate school work.  Sure, there are other ways to pay for education, but our education system is far flawed.  I can't tell you how many people I know with a degree that are making less money than I am without one and/or are not in a field that they benefit from that degree.  I'm not saying all college education is bad or that it's all the governments fault.  I'm not trying to place blame on anyone to be perfectly honest.  I just think it's a problem and one I don't know the solution to.  

 

You shouldn't incur $30-50,000 (and much higher for most graduate students) in debt to get a degree.  

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