There currently isn't a solution, the team needs an effective LEO, it needs to rebuild the linebacking core, it needs a FS, and more corners. Our defense from a talent perspective is easily the worst in football.

This LEO position is hyped way too much. Our pass rush has been pretty good considering we only rush four guys 95% of the time.


Agree we need new LBs and secondary minus Cyprien... basically what this means is we are 2-3 yaers away from fielding a competitive team. At that time we likely have to fire the coach and start all over. Oh boy

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Besides Jonathan Cyprien, how many valuable resources (high draft picks and lucrative free agent dollars) has David Caldwell invested in this defense? All of the guys they've signed in FA were 3rd/4th tier players, Chris Clemons and Red Bryant are merely stop gaps. I said this in a previous post, David Caldwell needs to invest of all his resources in rebuilding this defense, they need to sign young high end defensive free agents while investing high/multiple draft picks on it as well.

 

The answer is that we haven't put much resources into anything.

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One of these years.............

We've been so battered as a fan base that it would be acceptable this season to win 4 games...that's truly the sad part.  Frankly, I'd be happy to win 4 games and at least not look like roadkill....unfortunately, I don't think we'll reach those lofty goals.  We're like Vanderbilt.

 

With the defense this team is fielding, I don't see how we win 4 games. I can only see us winining against a Charlie Whitehurst led Titans team, we're that bad on defense.

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In 2 years time you expect to not be blown out every game. You expect your defense to not be surrendering 38 points per game. You expect to be competitive in the 4th quarter.

 

A lot of those guys Dave and Gus inherited but disposed of are now starting on other rosters of WINNING teams.

 

Regards........................the Chiefjag

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This LEO position is hyped way too much. Our pass rush has been pretty good considering we only rush four guys 95% of the time.


Agree we need new LBs and secondary minus Cyprien... basically what this means is we are 2-3 yaers away from fielding a competitive team. At that time we likely have to fire the coach and start all over. Oh boy

 

I wouldn't say it's been good, it's definitely better than it has been in the past. We don't affect the QB enough throughout the course of a game, you don't have to sack him but you do have to get him off his spot consistently, we rarely do that. Besides Marks and Cyp, I can't think of any other players on this defense that you can build around; we lack playmakers in a major way.

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I'm almost 100% sure the Broncos aren't winning because of Pot Roast.

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The answer is that we haven't put much resources into anything.

 

That ends next offseason, David has no other choice, he has to invest a lot of our cap space and probably our 1st/2nd/3rd round pick to the defensive side of the ball. You simply can't field a unit this porous, it's making Gus Bradley look a lot worse than what he really is. He has almost nothing to work with on defense.

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That ends next offseason, David has no other choice, he has to invest a lot of our cap space and probably our 1st/2nd/3rd round pick to the defensive side of the ball. You simply can't field a unit this porous, it's making Gus Bradley look a lot worse than what he really is. He has almost nothing to work with on defense.

 

I would hope they sign players but we are already how far under the cap? 

 

We also seem to only look for players under 26 or ex- seahawks.Ya got it spend it!

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I'm 100% sure Pot Roast is helping them win.

 

Regards...................the Chiefjag

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I understand completely, my point is we don't have the playmakers/talent on defense to run man, cover 2, Tampa 2, cover 3, cover 4, zone blitz, man blitz etc.... We'd struggle in any defense, there isn't one guy on this defense offensive coordinators have to scheme around, and that's a problem in the NFL.

 

I think the FS is a problem (we don't have a natural FS, much less one with great range). Why didn't we address it? There were several players available (Jenkins, Byrd, Clark, etc) who would have been upgrades? Probably because they weren't a "fit" for this Seattle scheme we're "trying" to run. We had a LB who can cover, and after one injury despite being an iron man for his entire career, we let him go because we wanted to "get younger". There were veteran options at LB too, but we chose the "young" route with Hayes (last year) and Watson (this year).

 

Regardless, even with the team we have now, a Cover-2 concept would be an improvement. Not every team has an Antonio Gates or Jimmy Graham that would destroy us. For many years, our defense used variations of Cover 2 concepts and kept offenses in front of us. It usually resulted in us getting dink-and-dunked to death in a bend/dont-break deal. I rather us see that than get constantly gashed by big plays.

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I would hope they sign players but we are already how far under the cap? 

 

We also seem to only look for players under 26 or ex- seahawks.Ya got it spend it!

 

If there are younger impact players available, guys that are in the 25-28 years of age range (Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie and Michael Johnson come to mind during the 2014 FA period) you simply have to go after them. This team needs an infusion of young-athletic impact talent on the defensive side of the ball, it doesn't matter how you acquire that talent. You need guys that can consistently win their one on one battles at this level, we don't have too many guys like that on this defense.

 

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I question some things on the back end of the defense. Not sure why we are ever in a cover 3. It is a coverage that puts the LB'ers at a huge disadvantage. It's used very little anymore in the NFL. I would have to do a little research to see if Seattle did use it a bit and Bradley just likes it. If that's the case, fine, but the personnel has got to be there to run it effectively.

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I would hope they sign players but we are already how far under the cap?


We also seem to only look for players under 26 or ex- seahawks.Ya got it spend it!

I'm with you we do have to get some guys in here the problem the elite players like Aaron Rodgers, JJ Watt, earl Thomas get drafted. We have to draft good in that process to be a consistent contender.

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Nah it was man

 

Just watched the highlight. It's not the best view, but it looks like Evans is playing single-high, with Ball, Blackmon, and MCray all playing man on the WRs, and Cyprien vs. Gates (also man). Cyprien tries to bump Gates, and misses badly. The other two CBs seem to do OK. But with Cyprien beat, Josh had to pick up Gates, leaving all of our CBs on their own.

 

I rather give up a 15 yard gain on this to Gates on a Cover 2 look than get beat for a TD.

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I question some things on the back end of the defense. Not sure why we are ever in a cover 3. It is a coverage that puts the LB'ers at a huge disadvantage. It's used very little anymore in the NFL. I would have to do a little research to see if Seattle did use it a bit and Bradley just likes it. If that's the case, fine, but the personnel has got to be there to run it effectively.

 

That's the problem, the Jaguars don't have the personnel to run any zone/man concept, they don't pressure the passer enough to force quick throws into the zone, and when they do, they don't tackle well. We don’t have the cornerbacks that can effectively stick to receivers in man, even if we did it wouldn’t matter as QB’s usually have all day to throw, someone will eventually get open.  

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I question some things on the back end of the defense. Not sure why we are ever in a cover 3. It is a coverage that puts the LB'ers at a huge disadvantage. It's used very little anymore in the NFL. I would have to do a little research to see if Seattle did use it a bit and Bradley just likes it. If that's the case, fine, but the personnel has got to be there to run it effectively.

 

Seattle uses it a lot, which is why we're using it...despite the fact that our LBs and secondary are not as good as theirs. We just don't have the players in our back 7 to do what this scheme is asking our players to do.

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I'm with you we do have to get some guys in here the problem the elite players like Aaron Rodgers, JJ Watt, earl Thomas get drafted. We have to draft good in that process to be a consistent contender.

I agree kinda why I would love the first pick next year as we can ransom it off to a QB needy team who want Mariotta, probably at the least get a 1,2,4 and most likely a 1,2,1.

 

As for free agents we need to increase the age we look at I'm sure we passed on a ton of talent who were 28-31 who aer huge contributors. We tend to think we can find all these diamonds who were role players on thier teams(watson). Watson or Woodyard? Guy or Verner?

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Just watched the highlight. It's not the best view, but it looks like Evans is playing single-high, with Ball, Blackmon, and MCray all playing man on the WRs, and Cyprien vs. Gates (also man). Cyprien tries to bump Gates, and misses badly. The other two CBs seem to do OK. But with Cyprien beat, Josh had to pick up Gates, leaving all of our CBs on their own.

 

I rather give up a 15 yard gain on this to Gates on a Cover 2 look than get beat for a TD.

 

Do you suggest running cover 2? You saw how that worked for Tampa last Thursday against the Falcons, they were missing Michael Johnson and Gerald McCoy and subsequently couldn’t pressure Matt Ryan, he proceeded to shred them. Again, if you don't have a consistent pass rush it doesn't matter, are problems are exacerbated because our linebackers and secondary are bad as well

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We can't stop teams.  Just let Bortles be a gunslinger back there.  

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Coaching tip #1.  Make sure your safeties cover the deepest man.  I thought that was their job.  Seriously.

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One of these years.............