Correct me if I am wrong but isn't the normal practice of the Jags and other NFL teams to carry about eight offensive linemen?  Doesn't this usually take the form of five starters, two tackles, two guards and a center then three backups able to cover more than one position, this usually being a tackle a guard and a center?  If this is so then why do you think the Jags are carrying five offensive tackles?  The problems on the line are supposed to be at the interior positions.  What is up with this?

 

Joeckel

Pasztor

Bradfield

Young 

Wells

 

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Pasztor is hurt, so they're carrying an extra swing tackle in case of other injury.

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Luke also got hurt very early last year. I think it is a good idea. 

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Another thing just dawned on me. They may want to run more muti tackle sets to help with a run game. 

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Eligible for a pass second tackles?


I wish interior line wasn't such a joke but extra tackle sets may be needed to force the issue to run.

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Eligible for a pass second tackles?


I wish interior line wasn't such a joke but extra tackle sets may be needed to force the issue to run.

I remember watching Seattle last year and they utilized these types of sets quite a bit. Here is my logic; at some point Bortles will be be inserted into the line up. To help a rookie qb you typically want some type of running game and I would think they want to keep him out of as many 3 and longs as possible. I think they would rather load up on the run and produce a 2nd and 4 rather than go balanced and possibly end up in a 3 and long. This is clearly all speculation but I do know that the way the roster is assembled does usually tell the philosophy of the team. 9 would tell me injuries but 10 tells me they want to create a wall to run behind.

 

I feel Henne is more capable to handle the long conversions over the length of a game than Bortles can right now, but I also see them powering the run to allow Bortles to succeed when he steps in. They may even try to allow Henne to be in good down and distance situations while he is out there but this is just my thinking.  

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They were forced to keep Young as a backup, due to the injury to Pasztor.  Wells was a luxury retention, as they like him for development, but did not believe he would be safe from poachers on the practice squad.  I don't believe they will carry 5 OTs all year long.  Once Pasztor returns, I think Young is likely moved off the 53.    

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They were forced to keep Young as a backup, due to the injury to Pasztor.  Wells was a luxury retention, as they like him for development, but did not believe he would be safe from poachers on the practice squad.  I don't believe they will carry 5 OTs all year long.  Once Pasztor returns, I think Young is likely moved off the 53.    

^^This^^

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They were forced to keep Young as a backup, due to the injury to Pasztor.  Wells was a luxury retention, as they like him for development, but did not believe he would be safe from poachers on the practice squad.  I don't believe they will carry 5 OTs all year long.  Once Pasztor returns, I think Young is likely moved off the 53.    

 

Agree

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They were forced to keep Young as a backup, due to the injury to Pasztor.  Wells was a luxury retention, as they like him for development, but did not believe he would be safe from poachers on the practice squad.  I don't believe they will carry 5 OTs all year long.  Once Pasztor returns, I think Young is likely moved off the 53.    

I tend to agree with this but I begin to think that the finally roster includes Pasztor as well. So when he returns it will not be to a detriment of any other player. When Ace returns then I could see a guy getting cut but again that still leaves 9 linemen total. 

 

I could be seeing more than I should but 10 linemen when the injured player is returning by week 2-3 possibly and is still on the active rosters says something extra to me. 

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I tend to agree with this but I begin to think that the finally roster includes Pasztor as well. So when he returns it will not be to a detriment of any other player. When Ace returns then I could see a guy getting cut but again that still leaves 9 linemen total. 

 

I could be seeing more than I should but 10 linemen when the injured player is returning by week 2-3 possibly and is still on the active rosters says something extra to me. 

 

Thanks for the insights.  I thought maybe FBT or one of the members that saw some of the camps could have seen some tackle heavy sets that would give a clue.  Without any such sightings noted I thought I would dig a little bit and looked up Young and Wells on PFF to see their preseason grades.  Wells did not show anything special but Young really stands out.  He has the highest grades of any Jag offensive player in preseason, +6.1 total. +2.9 for pass blocking and +2.7 for run blocking.  Bortles is second with +5.0.  Young also had the second most offensive snaps of any player with 148.

 

Do you think Caldwell could be thinking about trading one of our offensive line strengths to help out our interior deficiencies once Pasztor is healthy?  I can see carrying a fourth tackle for Pasztor's injury situation but not a fifth.  Doing this leaves us only five cornerbacks, an often injured position that regularly puts more than two on the field at a time.  If so who would the trade be?

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What offensive line strengths do we have that would be trade worthy?

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What offensive line strengths do we have that would be trade worthy?

I had thought maybe we might have a little more at tackle given Young's PFF grading then I looked at some more PFF grades and saw how highly rated Jamell Fleming was and what has become of him?  Still puzzled by five when each of 53 is pretty valuable.

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I had thought maybe we might have a little more at tackle given Young's PFF grading then I looked at some more PFF grades and saw how highly rated Jamell Fleming was and what has become of him?  Still puzzled by five when each of 53 is pretty valuable.

When you've got so much uncertainty particularly at the tackle position because your starting LT is coming back from being out for a year, and your RT starting the season on the injury list, you have to take that into account.  It's not a big deal. 

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There are certainly worst spots to have a "excess" of players at on the roster. <_< I for one support 5 tackles so long as they are developmental prospects/ascending players and not aging vets that are in decline

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I am not sure I would characterize Sam Young as an ascending player.  He was a 6th round pick in 2010 of the Cowboys, and did not make it there or later on in Buffalo.  He's a backup OT and special teams player without much, if any, upside.  I don't see him on the roster when Pasztor returns.  Wells has some upside.    

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Correct me if I am wrong but isn't the normal practice of the Jags and other NFL teams to carry about eight offensive linemen?  Doesn't this usually take the form of five starters, two tackles, two guards and a center then three backups able to cover more than one position, this usually being a tackle a guard and a center?  If this is so then why do you think the Jags are carrying five offensive tackles?  The problems on the line are supposed to be at the interior positions.  What is up with this?

 

Joeckel

Pasztor

Bradfield

Young 

Wells

In case no one has mentioned it yet, three of those guys have experience playing guard as well. Therefore, they represent depth at two positions. 

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I remember watching Seattle last year and they utilized these types of sets quite a bit. Here is my logic; at some point Bortles will be be inserted into the line up. To help a rookie qb you typically want some type of running game and I would think they want to keep him out of as many 3 and longs as possible. I think they would rather load up on the run and produce a 2nd and 4 rather than go balanced and possibly end up in a 3 and long. This is clearly all speculation but I do know that the way the roster is assembled does usually tell the philosophy of the team. 9 would tell me injuries but 10 tells me they want to create a wall to run behind.

 

I feel Henne is more capable to handle the long conversions over the length of a game than Bortles can right now, but I also see them powering the run to allow Bortles to succeed when he steps in. They may even try to allow Henne to be in good down and distance situations while he is out there but this is just my thinking.  

Gary Gilliam is a converted Tight End that is this year's project of Assistant Head Coach/Offensive Line and Tight Ends Coach Tom Cable.  Last year, because of injuries on the offensive line, they would sometimes double cover one side with an extra "tackle".  Field Gulls has a breakdown of it somewhere on their website.

 

Cable's last project was converting a 7th round pick defensive tackle into a Super Bowl starting guard.

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While Pazstor is out, I wouldn't be surprised if they later decide to start Young at RT.  That way Bradfield, their best swing, is available if Joeckel gets injured.  That would provide better continuity with Pazstor unavailable.  If Joeckel would miss any time, then you'd have to sub both tackles if you're already starting Bradfield on the right.  Bradfield would have to move to the left after playing and practicing right, and Young would have to step in on the right anyway.

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Young is a turnstile...you do not want him starting if you value any QB's health.

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