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oface5446 · 08-13-2014, 05:49 PM

Quote:I want to quote it just to make people scroll more.

Yea, I didn't expect it to allow me to post all that.

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Caldrac · 08-13-2014, 05:54 PM

Quote:Blake Bortles

A detailed look at Blake Bortles' first NFL Action in his pre-season game against Tampa Bay. Chad Henne led the Jaguars' 1st team in the first 4 drives (3 punts, 1 over on downs) where the Jaguars had 17 total plays (3,7,3, and 4 on those 4 drives) for 4 net yards (some of which was due to poor long snapping).

The stats :

4 drives, 1 Field Goal, 1 End of Half, 2 punts

3 in the 2nd Quarter, 1 in the 3rd quarter

7/11, 117 yards, 31 yard long

0 TD

0 Int

99.4 Rating

1 sack, 7 yards

1 rush, 7 yards

My General Thoughts/Impressions

Please also see the details on each play following this

Ran quite a bit of no-huddle and seemed to be very comfortable in it.

Faced almost exclusively 4 man rush with no--or maybe one--blitz plays. On these 4 man rush plays, Bortles had very little pressure and often had a very clean pocket to throw from.

Was sacked once. Took that sack on a short drop and quick route. The pressure came from a failed cut block by the left tackle. On that play, he showed some poise by doing what he could to escape, starting with a pump fake and then trying to duck out under the defender.

On the straight drop backs (excluding the rollouts), the Bucs brought a straight pass rush; I saw only one T/E stunt, which was picked up easily.

Had at least one (maybe a couple more) slips where his foot lost some traction. He recovered quickly and it didn't seem to affect him.

Faced almost exclusively zone defense and many of those were Cover-2/Tampa-2. Only about 2-3 man coverages plays.

Zones were probably softer than you might expect against 1st team and Bortles had some very large windows to throw into. Note the Zone that the first team gave to Henne for instance :

Henne Throw against Zone

Of the 16 pass plays, about half of them (about 7 plays) had some kind of run-action. On these plays, the LBs generally overplayed the run and vacated underneath zones, leaving easy throws open.

Bortles sells the play action well. On hand offs, he carries out the boot action.

Looks very natural on rollout plays and can throw either short (dragging FB) or deep; on the short play, had nice touch and put the ball on the outside shoulder and on the deeper throws, he was able to drive it into the receiver. The waggle play looks like a great one for him. Meanwhile, Chad Henne looked a bit stiff on his rollouts and his on-the-run throws were off-target. For comparison :

Bortles Rollout 1

Bortles Rollout 2

Bortles Rollout 3

Bortles Rollout 4

Henne Rollout 1

Henne Rollout 2

Showed strong NFL arm and made a couple of "NFL Throws." The skinny post on Play 6 and the Deep Out on Play 8 were my favorite throws of the game. They were everything you wanted to see from a young QB.

Sometimes his arm may have been too strong for his receivers on shorter routes like the quick slant on Play 16. High and with a lot of pace is a tough catch for some of these young receivers and it may not be surprising that the ball went thru their hands.

A few of his throws were a little high. This may be because he was trying to throw over underneath defenders, but could also be something to watch if he consistently throws the ball up.

Accuracy was generally good, but had some throws where the ball placement could have been better. The seam route on Play 14 and the Shake/Slant on Play 15. The ball was thrown well enough to be caught, but he left yards on the field by not leading the receiver; there was run after catch opportunities and each had a chance for the WR to split the defenders. Obviously part of this is not an accuracy "problem," but is rather that the chemistry with the receivers is a work-in-progress. On play 7, the deep out against Zone took his receiver into a big hit. Accuracy/Chemistry improving should lead to more run-after-catch opportunities. Watch for this in the next few games and see--when he gets more reps with these receivers--how this improves.

Vision and awareness are good, but there were (possibly) some opportunities missed. Look at Play 5 and 13, though there are mitigations for both those plays. Play 5 may be a credit to Bowers and on Play 13, the deep throw may not have been as open as it seems since there is a middle defender deep (hard to tell without A22 view). But it is something to keep an eye on.

Play 15. I really wish the LB did not fall down on this because I'd like to have seen Keith Tandy play the robber underneath to see if/how Bortles would react to him. In the next few games, Bortles should face more variation in opposing defenses and it will be interesting to see how he responds.

Had a more aggressive approach and gameplan than (for instance) Teddy Bridgewater. When Bortles had two options, he generally went after the deeper one. Had lots of downfield throws and few underneath routes. Only a couple of throws to RBs, including the near int by Da'Quan Bowers.

It was a perfect situation for a rookie QB's first outing. Not much pressure and often the same zone defense to read helped give Bortles a nice comfort level as he got his first taste of NFL play.

Hopefully in the next couple of games, he will see a few blitzes and deal with some pressure just to get a feel for that. He did take a couple of nice hits in this game, but it will be interesting to see how he deals with a dirty pocket and with a few more hands in his face as he throws.

Also, want to see him read and react to a few more disguised defenses like a Zone Dog. For instance, Bridgewater faced at least two Zone Dogs.

The upcoming games against Chicago and Detroit may offer some pressure situations, but the game that may be most interesting will be against Atlanta and Mike Nolan's defense, though that will be PS Game 4 and so will be exclusively backups and may not be a good indicator.

It's a pretty exciting debut because he made so many "sexy" throws. The situation showcased what made Bortles a top pick. Seeing him stand tall in the pocket and make downfield throws or seeing him rollout and make deep throws on the run is just fun, especially when those throws zip in between zone defenders. There's a long way to go still, but it was definitely impressive.

2nd Quarter

Drive 5 (#1) : 5 passing plays and Punt

Stats :

10 total plays for 28 yards, results in Punt

5 passing plays

2/3, 36 yards

1 defensive penalty

2 offensive penalties

Targets :

#13 Kerry Taylor

#88 Allen Hurns x2

#45 W Ta'ufo'ou

#34 S Johnson

Play 1 (#1)

2-9-JAX 21 (9:19) (Shotgun) B.Bortles pass incomplete short right to K.Taylor

PENALTY on TB-D.Carr, Illegal Contact, 5 yards, enforced at JAX 21 - No Play

GFY

GFY-2

RB slot right and TB defense shows possible blitz, but they drop back into Cover-3 zone and rush 4 against a 5-man prot. Bortles has a nice pocket to throw from image, though there is a little late flash inside from #91 Da'Quan Bowers.

The throw is on a line, on time, and on target to WR #13 Kerry Taylor, but Taylor does not drive back to the ball and allows the DB #33 Deveron Carr to break up the play.

Play 2 (#2)

1-20-JAX 16 (8:50) B.Bortles pass deep middle to A.Hurns to JAX 40 for 24 yards (D.Lansanah; K.Tandy)

GFY

GFY-2

I-Formation and strong run fake draws in the LBs. The Bucs are in Cover-2 zone and two key defenders are drawn out of their zone responsibilities : LBs #52 Jonathan Casillas (taking on the FB) and #50 Dane Fletcher (drawn up and late to get back) Image. This creates a nice hole in the zone which Bortles recognizes.

After a minor slip on his drop, Bortles delivers a strong throw right on target, between three defenders Image.

It's an easy throw; WR #88 Allen Hurns is wide open. The key is that Bortles recognized zone and so knew to put the ball on the WR rather than leading him. Image

Play 3 (#3)

2-5-JAX 45 (7:44) (No Huddle) B.Bortles pass short left to W.Ta'ufo'ou to TB 43 for 12 yards (M.Wright)

GFY

Play-action fake to naked bootleg (waggle) to the left side. The FB drags across the formation. Here Bortles has plenty of room and time, gets his shoulder square Image, and delivers the easy throw to FB #45 W.Ta'ufo'ou Image.

The left side is normally the more difficult side for QBs to make throws on the run.

On a similar throw, Raiders rookie QB Derek Carr throws it high and hard, the ball is tipped in the air and is intercepted. GFY

Play 4 (#4)

3-9-TB 42 (5:55) (No Huddle, Shotgun) B.Bortles pass short left to A.Hurns to TB 34 for 8 yards (K.Lewis)

PENALTY on JAX-A.Hurns, Offensive Pass Interference, 10 yards, enforced at TB 42 - No Play

GFY

GFY-2

Tampa 2 zone. Four man rush against 5 man protection gives Bortles a nice pocket Image. 2 vertical routes clear out and gives Hurns an open space on his short dig route.

Bortles waits and throws after Hurns' break, but as he gets into the seam between the zones. The Two zone defenders are closing, but the strong throw gets in there Image.

Play 5 (#5)

3-19-JAX 48 (5:27) B.Bortles pass incomplete short middle to S.Johnson (D.Bowers)

GFY

Soft Cover-3 zone, sinking back to the deep first down marker (3rd-and-19) with a 4-man rush against 5-man prot. Jaguars send 4 verticals to clear out underneath and Bortles dumps off to the RB #34 Storm Johnson releasing in the middle Image.

DE #91 Da'Quan Bowers (a DE, but lining up in the DT position in this alignment) reads the throw, drops into the passing lane, and nearly (should have?) intercepts the ball Image.

Bowers shows nice awareness to read the play and then Linebacker-like athleticism to disengage and drop. It's hard to blame the QB on this play. Perhaps in the future, Bortles will recognize the athleticism of NFL pass rushers on a play like this and keep the ball out of jeopardy.

Drive 6 (#2) : 3 Passing Plays and Punt

Stats :

4 total plays for 17 yards, results in a Punt

3 passing plays

1/3, 19 yards

Targets :

WR #88 A Hurns

WR #12 M Brown x2

Play 6 (#1)

1-10-JAX 40 (2:45) B.Bortles pass deep left to A.Hurns to TB 41 for 19 yards (K.Lewis)

GFY

GFY-2

Pre-snap motion by WR #12 M Brown has CB #28 Melvin following and FS #31 Major Wright draws up showing blitz. This looks like blitz and man coverage.

On the snap, the Bucs drop into Cover-3 zone. Bortles looks to the right and then comes back across to the left image Close-Up, sees the deep post and makes a strong throw on time and on-target image Close-Up.

Note that the throw to WR Allen Hurns is low, intentionally so. If the throw is up at chest level, the throw would take him into a big hit by S #37 Jonathan Cyprien. This low throw protected the receiver.

This throws shows off Bortles' arm strength, anticipation, and accuracy.

Play 7 (#2)

1-10-TB 41 (2:08) (Shotgun) B.Bortles pass incomplete deep right to M.Brown

GFY

GFY-2

Hard play action and waggle, this time to the right side. Image

Bucs are in Cover 2 zone and WR Hurns finds the hole in the zone. Bortles sees it and makes a very strong throw on the run Image right into that hole Image Image.

The ball hits Brown right in the hands, but Brown drops the ball Image. Incomplete.

It is a nice strong throw, however, unlike play 6 above, this time Bortles' throw is high and leads his receiver to the outside Image Image, taking him into the big hit by the underneath CB Image.

Note that as Brown makes his break, he wants to sit down in that hole Image and ideally that throw is down and inside instead of leading him to the outside.

If Bortles brings throw down a little bit and puts it on the inside shoulder, Brown doesn't have to worry about taking a bit hit or about protecting himself.

Brown needs to make this difficult catch, but as Bortles' accuracy and ball placement improves, he will be able to help out his receivers on plays like this.

Play 8 (#3)

3-12-TB 43 (1:56) (Shotgun) B.Bortles pass incomplete deep left to M.Brown

GFY

GFY-2

Tampa-2 zone. 4 man rush on 5 blockers.

A dig underneath and a seam route inside gives WR #12 Mike Brown a small window for his out cut.

Bortles has a choice of the dig (short of the 1st down) Image or the out (beyond the 1st down) and opts for the tougher, deeper throw between two defenders Image; he makes a strong throw right on target Image. Mike Brown gets two hands on the ball and lets the ball get thru his hands. While Brown is exposed for a hit from behind, that does not seem to have played a role in the drop.

The ball is a little bit high, but that is intentional to get over the underneath defender CB #29 Leonard Johnson who was getting nice depth on his drop Image.

This is an impressive throw that showcases his vision, arm strength, and attack.

Drive 7 (#3) : 1 passing plays, 1 QB Run, and End of Half

Stats :

3 total plays for 9 yards, results in End of Half

1 sack (7 yards)

1 QB run

Targets :

None

Play 9 (#1)

2-1-JAX 13 (:40) (Shotgun) B.Bortles sacked at JAX 6 for -7 yards (S.Means)

GFY

GFY-2

GFY-3

4 man rush against 5 man prot. Against the Cover 2 zone, Jaguars have a short zone-beater route combination with two out-and-up and a WR #12 Mike Brown on an underneath pivot route. Brown will be wide open.

On the short throw, LT #78 Bradfield goes for the cut block on the edge rusher but misses and goes to the ground, basically giving DE #96 Means a free rush Image. The RB is on the other side and is releasing into the flat; there is no help.

Bortles wants to throw quick, but the pressure gets to him before Mike Brown is ready for the ball. He gives a pump fake to try to get the DE to jump Image which doesn't work. When the pressure gets to him, Bortles tucks it and tries to duck under the pressure. He takes an arm around the throat for his effort Image.

Play 10 (#2)

3-8-JAX 6 (:18) (Shotgun) B.Bortles scrambles to JAX 13 for 7 yards (K.Tandy)

GFY

GFY-2

A run-out-the-half play. Read-option play with Bortles and RB #34 Storm Johnson image. The edge defender LB #56 Sutton crashes to the RB and Bortles keeps image and runs for 7 yards. He slides a little bit late image and gets hit and has his helmet taken off as a result image.

Drive 8 (#4) : 6 Passing Play and Field Goal

Stats :

9 total plays for 70 yards, results in a FG

6 passing play

4/5, 62 yards

1 penalty

Targets :

WR #13 Kerry Taylor x2

WR #12 Mike Brown x3

WR #15 Chad Bumphis

Play 11 (#1)

1-10-JAX 17 (8:47) B.Bortles pass deep right to K.Taylor pushed ob at JAX 33 for 16 yards (D.Carr)

GFY

Waggle to the right Image gets Bortles free outside the pocket, but this time there is pressure from the unblocked end defender Image.

The run action draws the defenders and clears the underneath zone, giving WR #13 Kerry Taylor a large hole to sit into. Bortles sets up and makes a strong throw to Taylor on the sideline. The throw is right on target against the Cover-3 zone defense, but is contested because Taylor does not drive back to the ball Image.

Play 12 (#2)

3-2-JAX 41 (6:55) (Shotgun) B.Bortles pass short left to K.Taylor to 50 for 9 yards (K.Lewis)

GFY

4 Man rush against 5 man prot. This time the Bucs are in Man Free coverage. Bortles has a nice pocket to throw from Image. On the left side, Bortles has three levels of receivers and throws to the deepest one WR #13 Kerry Taylor on the 10 yard comeback.

Taylor is well-covered by CB #41 Keith Lewis but the timing between Bortles and Taylor beats the coverage. Bortles begins his throw just as his WR is getting into his break Image. The ball is on the way when Taylor is in his break Image and the ball gets there on time Image. The ball comes out very quick and gets to Taylor in a hurry.

The ball is contested when the WR does not drive back to the ball, though it appears that the throw may have been a little bit upfield and so didn't allow him to come back to get it.

Play 13 (#3)

1-10-50 (6:32) B.Bortles pass short right to M.Brown to TB 37 for 13 yards (B.McDougald).

PENALTY on JAX-M.Brown, Offensive Pass Interference, 10 yards, enforced at 50 - No Play

GFY

Pre-snap, the Bucs give a Cover-2 shell look but on the snap, one safety attack down low and the Bucs are in Cover-3.

Waggle right Image and Bortles has space in which to work Image

On the run-action, the Left WR #13 Kerry Taylor breaks past the CB and streaks free downfield and gives a the Hand-up, "I'm Open"-signal Image. Bortles does not see it and instead looks at WR #12 Mike Brown on the opposite sideline.

A Strong throw on the run Image to the wide open Mike Brown on the sideline Image for the first down.

But this is called back for a push-off by Mike Brown.

Play 14 (#4)

1-20-JAX 40 (6:02) B.Bortles pass deep middle to M.Brown to TB 29 for 31 yards (B.McDougald; K.Tandy)

PENALTY on TB-A.Spence, Personal Foul, 15 yards, enforced at TB 29

GFY

GFY-2

GFY-3

On the snap, two linebackers read Draw and are sucked up to the line of scrimmage Image. This opens up the underneath zones in the Tampa-2, in particular, the MLB who should have been back and undercutting this play Image.

Bortles makes a nice throw to WR #12 Mike Brown in between defenders, but the timing is just a little bit off; it appears that the pass is just a touch underthrown Image and Closeup. If it leads Brown a little bit, Brown had a chance to split the safeties or at least get a few more yards.

And then a nice "Hey rookie, welcome to the NFL"-hit by Tampa Bay's #97 Akeem Spence at the end of the play Image.

Nice play, good read, and this timing should improve with reps.

Play 15 (#5)

2-10-TB 14 (4:58) (Shotgun) B.Bortles pass short left to M.Brown to TB 8 for 6 yards (A.Gaitor)

GFY

GFY-2

GFY-3

Tampa Bay LB #50 Dane Fletcher steps up to the line of scrimmage, possibly showing blitz Image. RB #16 Denard Robinson will stay in to block, so there are 6 men to protect if the blitz comes.

But LB #50 Dane Fletcher does not blitz; instead, he is covering the TE #87 Jensen, but Fletcher misses his jam and gives a very free release to Jensen Image.

It looks like Man Free coverage with #37 Keith Tandy playing a robber position down low Image; this is a nice defensive call against the quick slant since the robber can drop into that passing lane. However, when the TE runs free into the middle, Fletcher has to hesitate to give help. This leaves that underneath area wide open and gives Bortles a clear passing lane to WR Mike Brown.

Mike Brown makes a shake move to free himself from CB #30 Gaitor. Bortles times it up very nicely, starting his throw as Brown gets into his break Image (notice #37 Tandy breaking on the ball and imagine if he had been able to cheat that direction a couple of steps), throwing the ball as Brown is in his break Image, and the ball getting right into Brown before CB #30 is able to react Image.

The ball is a little bit high, though, forcing Brown to jump for it. This slows him down and limits the yards after catch and left him open to the hit by #37 Tandy. Breaking away from the DB Image1 and then Catching the High pass image, and then landing between defenders Image.

Lower and in front and Brown may have split the defenders.

Play 16 (#6)

3-4-TB 8 (4:08) (Shotgun) B.Bortles pass incomplete short right to C.Bumphis

GFY

GFY-2

4 Man rush on 6 man prot. Bortles takes the snap and quickly turns to his right and makes a throw on the quick slant to WR #15 Chad Bumphis Image. Timing is good, but the throw is a bit high and hard and it goes thru Bumphis' hands Image. Bumphis needs to catch that and if he does, it should be a first down.

It looks like Bortles may have thrown it high to get it over #91 Da'Quan Bowers who was pushing the pocket from that side. If Bowers had taken an outside rush, Bortles may have been able to bring that ball down.

Very nice timing, though. This is key because the DB #33 is breaking on the play and Bumphis still had time to make the catch.

Shows agility to flip his feet and body from one side to the other and get the ball out quickly.

Not me but good stuff ^^

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jtmoney · 08-13-2014, 06:17 PM

Quote:Maybe he watched the scrimmage?

It was the same as the game, just show the two guys playing to someone and no one walked away thinking Henne was the guy with the experience and upper hand on the starting gig.

I did, yes. It reminded me as you pointed out much like the 1st preseason game.

~~DewtheMathis~~ · 08-14-2014, 07:42 AM

I hope Bortles continues to improve and wow us all in tonight's game, excited for once to watch a QB on the Jaguars....... havent been that way since Mark.

Deacon · 08-14-2014, 10:29 AM

Greg Gabriel of the NFP chimes in on Bortles play from the Tampa game:

"...As most readers of this site are already aware, I am not a Blake Bortles fan. In clarifying that, it’s not that I don’t like him. I just happened to feel that he was vastly overrated
...



...In the opening game, there were various media reports that stated Bortles was outstanding during his first outing. After watching the game tape, I will say he played well for a rookie in his first game, but “outstanding” is a bit of a stretch.



Bortles was in the game for four series and the Jaguars put a total of three points on the board. His stats were good and, in all honesty, Bortles got a little better with each series. The field goal came on his final series of the game
..."

I'm trying to make myself more informed and less opinionated.

Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!

NH3 · 08-14-2014, 10:51 AM

BB5's progress should'nt be a shock to anyone. The shocker will be when he continues to outplay Henne and Henne still starts ahead of BB5...

Hopefully we'll continue to somewhat mirror Seattle @ the QB position...

NH3...

"AZANE"

~~Oklahomie~~ · 08-14-2014, 10:55 AM

Quote:Greg Gabriel of the NFP chimes in on Bortles play from the Tampa game:

"...As most readers of this site are already aware, I am not a Blake Bortles fan. In clarifying that, it’s not that I don’t like him. I just happened to feel that he was vastly overrated
...



...In the opening game, there were various media reports that stated Bortles was outstanding during his first outing. After watching the game tape, I will say he played well for a rookie in his first game, but “outstanding” is a bit of a stretch.



Bortles was in the game for four series and the Jaguars put a total of three points on the board. His stats were good and, in all honesty, Bortles got a little better with each series. The field goal came on his final series of the game
..."

The article reads as a bit begrudging, like he's experiencing a bit of cognitive dissonance. Probably stems from his desire to not be wrong about the guy.

Monty · 08-14-2014, 10:58 AM

Quote:The article reads as a bit begrudging, like he's experiencing a bit of cognitive dissonance. Probably stems from his desire to not be wrong about the guy.

He tried his hardest not to give Blake a pat on the back. Sports "journalism" at its finest.

JagsFanClubOfMD · 08-14-2014, 11:01 AM

Quote:The article reads as a bit begrudging, like he's experiencing a bit of cognitive dissonance. Probably stems from his desire to not be wrong about the guy.

This. People did the exact same thing with Cam Newton.

~~Oklahomie~~ · 08-14-2014, 11:01 AM

Quote:He tried his hardest not to give Blake a pat on the back. Sports "journalism" at its finest.

The best part was when he said he thought Manziel's play was "stronger" and "command of the huddle" was better. The actual play wasn't indicative of superiority in a measurable way, so he had to go to talking about his feelings.

Classic, I look forward to years of him downplaying Bortles' success.

bleedingteal · 08-14-2014, 11:16 AM

Quote:The best part was when he said he thought Manziel's play was "stronger" and "command of the huddle" was better. The actual play wasn't indicative of superiority in a measurable way, so he had to go to talking about his feelings.

Classic, I look forward to years of him downplaying Bortles' success.

How does one judge a players "command of a huddle"? Off the top of my head: invisibility cloak to infiltrate said huddles, install a camera on qbs helmet, hi tech binoculars with a headset to listen/watch each huddle, or he's a mind reader.

Deacon · 08-14-2014, 11:16 AM

Quote:The article reads as a bit begrudging, like he's experiencing a bit of cognitive dissonance. Probably stems from his desire to not be wrong about the guy.

Quote:He tried his hardest not to give Blake a pat on the back. Sports "journalism" at its finest.

Quote:This. People did the exact same thing with Cam Newton.

Quote:The best part was when he said he thought Manziel's play was "stronger" and "command of the huddle" was better. The actual play wasn't indicative of superiority in a measurable way, so he had to go to talking about his feelings.

Classic, I look forward to years of him downplaying Bortles' success.

To be honest, I don't really trust/value Gabriel's take all that much. He is a former GM and I'm certain that he could talk circles around me when it comes to scouting, but I hardly ever agree with his takes on players. I just thought the article was relevant to the conversation.

I'm trying to make myself more informed and less opinionated.

Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!

~~Oklahomie~~ · 08-14-2014, 11:26 AM

Quote:To be honest, I don't really trust/value Gabriel's take all that much. He is a former GM and I'm certain that he could talk circles around me when it comes to scouting, but I hardly ever agree with his takes on players.I just thought the article was relevant to the conversation.

Thanks for posting it, it was an entertaining read particularly because of the tone of the author.

If we can spend the next few years reading about how Bortles isn't as good as Manziel as we win a lot of games and have success I'll be laughing all the way to the bank. (Everbank field, that is)

The Eleventh Doctor · 08-14-2014, 11:29 AM

He also says David Fales did better. (I fale to see how).

I was wrong about Trent Baalke.

Adam2012 · 08-14-2014, 12:37 PM

Quote:He tried his hardest not to give Blake a pat on the back. Sports "journalism" at its finest.

How is that "journalism"? It's his opinion.

If he'd acted as a Jags homer and slobbered all over Bortles then that would have been "journalism" at it's finest?

Jeez, we're already getting sensitive about Bortles? The beauty of sports is that it'll be clear to all if Bortles is good or not. Give it some time. If Bortles shines people like Gabriel will acknowledge it. Unless there's a grand conspiracy ...

The sun's not yellow, it's chicken.

***FBT*** · 08-14-2014, 01:06 PM

Quote:How is that "journalism"? It's his opinion.

If he'd acted as a Jags homer and slobbered all over Bortles then that would have been "journalism" at it's finest?

Jeez, we're already getting sensitive about Bortles? The beauty of sports is that it'll be clear to all if Bortles is good or not. Give it some time. If Bortles shines people like Gabriel will acknowledge it. Unless there's a grand conspiracy ...

Clearly you're not following the trend here. There's always a conspiracy against the Jaguars. Just ask TMD.

Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Deacon · 08-14-2014, 01:18 PM

Quote:How is that "journalism"? It's his opinion.

If he'd acted as a Jags homer and slobbered all over Bortles then that would have been "journalism" at it's finest?

Jeez, we're already getting sensitive about Bortles? The beauty of sports is that it'll be clear to all if Bortles is good or not. Give it some time. If Bortles shines people like Gabriel will acknowledge it. Unless there's a grand conspiracy ...

While I do agree with you about Gabriel simply "giving his opinion", that's also the reason that I wrote that I don't necessarily trust his takes. When he stated that Manziel's play was stronger and his command of the huddle was better, I disagree with him. I watched both games and unless there is some other film that I am not privy too, I don't think Manziel played better than Bortles.

Gabriel is entitled to his opinion, and I'm entitled to disagree with him and point out where we differ.

I'm trying to make myself more informed and less opinionated.

Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!

Deacon · 08-15-2014, 01:09 PM

Greg Gabriel followed up his article after the Chicago game on the 14th.

"...

All told, Bortles gets a B+ for his play. He showed improvement over his first game, threw downfield with accuracy and was able to lead the Jags on two scoring drives even though both were field goals.



Going into the preseason, the plan was for Bortles to back-up veteran Chad Henne in 2014 while learning the NFL game. Based on two outings, that plan shouldn’t change unless the Jaguars get off to a poor start
..."

I'm trying to make myself more informed and less opinionated.

Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!

~~Oklahomie~~ · 08-15-2014, 01:12 PM

Quote:Greg Gabriel followed up his article after the Chicago game on the 14th.

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All told, Bortles gets a B+ for his play. He showed improvement over his first game, threw downfield with accuracy and was able to lead the Jags on two scoring drives even though both were field goals.



Going into the preseason, the plan was for Bortles to back-up veteran Chad Henne in 2014 while learning the NFL game. Based on two outings, that plan shouldn’t change unless the Jaguars get off to a poor start
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Seems his prejudices die hard.