http://nfl.si.com/2014/05/14/jacksonvill...nfl-draft/


Cool article about Tony and metrics during the draft.

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Nice read. But analytics also told us Gabbert was one of the best qb's in the league when he had time to throw.

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Nice read. But analytics also told us Gabbert was one of the best qb's in the league when he had time to throw.

he was when he wasn't pressured.

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Nice read. But analytics also told us Gabbert was one of the best qb's in the league when he had time to throw.

The problem is Gabbert would panic under the slightest wiff of pressure.  I remember seeing Gabbert running out of a clean pocket into a sack or bad throw time and time again. 

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I know that some haven't been a fan of Tony and his analysis being part of the process but I think it's a positive thing for the team.  So long as it stays as it is, part of the process, I see nothing wrong with it. I like Tony and I think he's yet another positive of having Mr. Khan here as the owner.  Tony puts a lot of time in to what he does and as I said, if used as part of the process I think he's a positive influence.  I have said in other threads around draft time that one of the positives I see in Dave and Gus (and Mr. Khan as well) is that they are forward thinking.  I no longer get the feeling as I have with JDR, Mularkey and Gene Smith that we're stuck in the same ol' same ol' ancient football mindset.  That's a thing of the past and time will tell but I say we're better for it.

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I personally think analytics play well into their philosophies. With the extra statistics the team is probably able to target players much more specifically to fit their schemes. When you can target productive players in the middle/late rounds and build a roster like the new group has, I think their combining of analytics with their scouting grades could prove to be a defining characteristic of this team in the future.


If the Jags can find success being forward thinking and pave the way, other teams will follow suit. Some already have, I doubt Jags are the first to do this. Still pretty cool to see, especially considering how quickly they have reshaped this roster.

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I agree that the advanced statistics / metrics have a role to play in the organization. As it reads in the article, you have to "marry stats to tape." Make sure that what you're seeing through both lenses is the same image.

 

Also, how 'bout Bortles rocking the best yards per attempt when under pressure when compared to the other popular names?!?!?! Booyakashaaaaa!

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I'm trying to make myself more informed and less opinionated.

Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!

meh not sold on the analytic thing, this isn't baseball..........it's cute Khan gave his son something to do but I'm hanging my hat more on the work Caldwell and Gus are doing then any analytical analysis the owners son is doing.

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meh not sold on the analytic thing, this isn't baseball..........it's cute Khan gave his son something to do but I'm hanging my hat more on the work Caldwell and Gus are doing then any analytical analysis the owners son is doing.

 

I think it's useful; not cute.  As the article mentioned, Dave had the final say to pick who he wanted.  The metrics just give you another tool to use when analyzing a player.  They can help clear up red flags or raise them.

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http://nfl.si.com/2014/05/14/jacksonvill...nfl-draft/


Cool article about Tony and metrics during the draft.

 

I really like the idea of bringing metrics into football.  And I think it can potentially be a great tool to use to back up what real scouts see on tape.  However I continue to be underwhelmed by the analysis I've seen Tony Khan's team doing when I read these articles.  I remember when the story broke about how Gabbert was so good when facing no rush and how it was Tony's analytics that discovered that(Although "Time in the Pocket" isnt his analysis... its produced by those football analytic websites).  Are statistical metrics in football stuck so far in the stone age that tracking how a QB does under pressure vs a clean pocket is ground breaking?  Are not all teams regularly tracking this kind of information?  I'd be curious to know what else Tony's team is doing.  Every article I've seen they just track basic stats and try to make a correlation.  I wonder how far they've looked into advanced metrics.  And are they creating their own or just taking stuff from pro football focus or football outsiders like they did with the Gabbert "Time in the Pocket" ?

 

When helping the team scout college players, what advanced metrics are they using?  Are they breaking down footage of lets say the top 30 RB prospects?  Are they doing their own analysis or just taking the "Elusive Rating" or "Breakaway Percentage" from those analytic websites?  I know there is some thought that any RB can make it through a huge hole, how well do they perform beyond those first 10 yards.  A more specific look at "Breakaway Percentage".  I know Barnwell over at Grantland did an analysis on short yardage carries.  But he just simply looked at yards and conversion.  I dont believe he took into account the line in front of the RB or weighted it against the averages.  Who hit the hole and who missed it or if there was a hole there at all.  I'm sure looking at pure yards or conversion in those situations would account for a large percentage of the success but there are other factors that could easily skew that.  Is our analytics team diving into research like that?

 

I'm sure Tony is a smart guy.  Seems to have a solid background.  But as someone who currently works in analytics and got a second major in math just because its easy for me, I'm very underwhelmed with the analysis that I've seen them do.  The potential for this use is limitless.  And we've got an owner who will spend.  I think this area could be a huge leg up for us against the other teams and I wonder if we're maximizing the potential of our analytics department.

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I really like the idea of bringing metrics into football.  And I think it can potentially be a great tool to use to back up what real scouts see on tape.  However I continue to be underwhelmed by the analysis I've seen Tony Khan's team doing when I read these articles.  I remember when the story broke about how Gabbert was so good when facing no rush and how it was Tony's analytics that discovered that(Although "Time in the Pocket" isnt his analysis... its produced by those football analytic websites).  Are statistical metrics in football stuck so far in the stone age that tracking how a QB does under pressure vs a clean pocket is ground breaking?  Are not all teams regularly tracking this kind of information?  I'd be curious to know what else Tony's team is doing.  Every article I've seen they just track basic stats and try to make a correlation.  I wonder how far they've looked into advanced metrics.  And are they creating their own or just taking stuff from pro football focus or football outsiders like they did with the Gabbert "Time in the Pocket" ?

 

When helping the team scout college players, what advanced metrics are they using?  Are they breaking down footage of lets say the top 30 RB prospects?  Are they doing their own analysis or just taking the "Elusive Rating" or "Breakaway Percentage" from those analytic websites?  I know there is some thought that any RB can make it through a huge hole, how well do they perform beyond those first 10 yards.  A more specific look at "Breakaway Percentage".  I know Barnwell over at Grantland did an analysis on short yardage carries.  But he just simply looked at yards and conversion.  I dont believe he took into account the line in front of the RB or weighted it against the averages.  Who hit the hole and who missed it or if there was a hole there at all.  I'm sure looking at pure yards or conversion in those situations would account for a large percentage of the success but there are other factors that could easily skew that.  Is our analytics team diving into research like that?

 

I'm sure Tony is a smart guy.  Seems to have a solid background.  But as someone who currently works in analytics and got a second major in math just because its easy for me, I'm very underwhelmed with the analysis that I've seen them do.  The potential for this use is limitless.  And we've got an owner who will spend.  I think this area could be a huge leg up for us against the other teams and I wonder if we're maximizing the potential of our analytics department.

 

They use advanced metrics and also generate their own. From the article:

 

<p style="margin-left:40px;">"...Khan didn’t want to go too far into those red flags; he sees the work he’s done as proprietary, and to a certain extent, it is. The Jaguars do their own charting in addition to the purchase of metrics from services like STATS, Inc., Football Outsiders and Pro Football Focus, so there were lines he preferred not to cross
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I'm trying to make myself more informed and less opinionated.

Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!

meh not sold on the analytic thing, this isn't baseball..........it's cute Khan gave his son something to do but I'm hanging my hat more on the work Caldwell and Gus are doing then any analytical analysis the owners son is doing.

 

I don't see it as cute at all. It's another tool in the too box, and a valuable one when you're evaluating players beyond the tape.  Data analytics are invaluable in finding that nugget of data that could be the difference between a bust and a success.  The fact that it's not baseball we're talking about is irrelevant.  Stats are stats regardless of the sport, and there are ways to derive information from that data that could prove to be beneficial to this team.  It's not the final factor, but it is a tool that's nice to have in addition to those every other team is using. 

 

The fact that other teams have indicated they're watching what the Jaguars are doing with analytics tells you that there's a lot of interest in what they're doing.  I'm glad they're keeping their process proprietary.  If it gives the team a little bit of an advantage in evaluating players, great.

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

meh not sold on the analytic thing, this isn't baseball..........it's cute Khan gave his son something to do but I'm hanging my hat more on the work Caldwell and Gus are doing then any analytical analysis the owners son is doing.

It's not just a cute hobby for the owners son. A guy on another forum created a spreadsheet predicting future success of 3-4 outside linebackers. The success rate for this model was pretty crazy. I was to lazy this year to input the numbers this year (might do it to see where smith ends up).


Analytics definitely has a part in football but it's just another tool used to confirm what you see or make you go back and see what, if anything, you missed.

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Eventually there will be a completely automated grading system for players.  Input video feeds, output grades.

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It's not just a cute hobby for the owners son. A guy on another forum created a spreadsheet predicting future success of 3-4 outside linebackers. The success rate for this model was pretty crazy. I was to lazy this year to input the numbers this year (might do it to see where smith ends up).


Analytics definitely has a part in football but it's just another tool used to confirm what you see or make you go back and see what, if anything, you missed.

 

Link/copy and paste?

 

I'd be interested in seeing that.

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I don't see it as cute at all. It's another tool in the too box, and a valuable one when you're evaluating players beyond the tape.  Data analytics are invaluable in finding that nugget of data that could be the difference between a bust and a success.  The fact that it's not baseball we're talking about is irrelevant.  Stats are stats regardless of the sport, and there are ways to derive information from that data that could prove to be beneficial to this team.  It's not the final factor, but it is a tool that's nice to have in addition to those every other team is using. 

 

The fact that other teams have indicated they're watching what the Jaguars are doing with analytics tells you that there's a lot of interest in what they're doing.  I'm glad they're keeping their process proprietary.  If it gives the team a little bit of an advantage in evaluating players, great.

I like that other teams are watching with interest. It means the Jags are using something new and progressive. Yet another facet of how Khan is advancing the team into the future.

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Link/copy and paste?


I'd be interested in seeing that.

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=439601'>http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=439601</a>

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http://nfl.si.com/2014/05/14/jacksonvill...nfl-draft/


Cool article about Tony and metrics during the draft.

Watch the interview on that page, Marqise Lees voice XD he's awesome. 

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I really like the idea of bringing metrics into football.  And I think it can potentially be a great tool to use to back up what real scouts see on tape.  However I continue to be underwhelmed by the analysis I've seen Tony Khan's team doing when I read these articles.  I remember when the story broke about how Gabbert was so good when facing no rush and how it was Tony's analytics that discovered that(Although "Time in the Pocket" isnt his analysis... its produced by those football analytic websites).  Are statistical metrics in football stuck so far in the stone age that tracking how a QB does under pressure vs a clean pocket is ground breaking?  Are not all teams regularly tracking this kind of information?  I'd be curious to know what else Tony's team is doing.  Every article I've seen they just track basic stats and try to make a correlation.  I wonder how far they've looked into advanced metrics.  And are they creating their own or just taking stuff from pro football focus or football outsiders like they did with the Gabbert "Time in the Pocket" ?

 

When helping the team scout college players, what advanced metrics are they using?  Are they breaking down footage of lets say the top 30 RB prospects?  Are they doing their own analysis or just taking the "Elusive Rating" or "Breakaway Percentage" from those analytic websites?  I know there is some thought that any RB can make it through a huge hole, how well do they perform beyond those first 10 yards.  A more specific look at "Breakaway Percentage".  I know Barnwell over at Grantland did an analysis on short yardage carries.  But he just simply looked at yards and conversion.  I dont believe he took into account the line in front of the RB or weighted it against the averages.  Who hit the hole and who missed it or if there was a hole there at all.  I'm sure looking at pure yards or conversion in those situations would account for a large percentage of the success but there are other factors that could easily skew that.  Is our analytics team diving into research like that?

 

I'm sure Tony is a smart guy.  Seems to have a solid background.  But as someone who currently works in analytics and got a second major in math just because its easy for me, I'm very underwhelmed with the analysis that I've seen them do.  The potential for this use is limitless.  And we've got an owner who will spend.  I think this area could be a huge leg up for us against the other teams and I wonder if we're maximizing the potential of our analytics department.

 

I completely agree.  I've been thinking about exploring some of that in my "spare time" (LOL... if I can ever find it.)

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

I doubt that metrics are playing much of a role at this point other than confirming some of the analysis done by the GM and his staff. But I'm all for my team doing whatever it takes to get better and stay current.

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