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~~The Mad Dog~~ · 03-23-2014, 05:08 PM

per rotoworld:

Ravens acquire C Zuttah for 2015 5th-rd pick

Ravens acquired C Jeremy Zuttah from the Buccaneers in exchange for a fifth-round pick in the 2015 NFL draft. They're also signing him to a long-term deal. Zuttah, 28 in June, is a Rutgers alum who was on the outs in Tampa after Greg Schiano's departure. He ranked 22nd among 35 qualifying centers in Pro Football Focus' 2013 ratings, while incumbent Ravens C Gino Gradkowski came in dead last at 35th. Zuttah isn't an All Pro, but he's a stable addition to a Baltimore line that got rag-dolled last season. Zuttah also ran a sub-5.00 forty time coming out and is a big athletic upgrade. He's a strong fit for new OC Gary Kubiak's zone-blocking scheme.

Dumptruck · 03-23-2014, 05:24 PM

Wait for it....

SuperJville · 03-23-2014, 05:25 PM

Quote:

per rotoworld:

<div>Ravens acquire C Zuttah for 2015 5th-rd pick

Ravens acquired C Jeremy Zuttah from the Buccaneers in exchange for a fifth-round pick in the 2015 NFL draft. They're also signing him to a long-term deal.

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Now THIS isn't a rental, as it appears that the trade was made with the contract extension already basically agreed upon.

Contrast this trade to the Eugene Monroe trade. The Monroe trade WAS a rental in comparison,

D6 · 03-23-2014, 06:39 PM

This trade seems to make sense for both teams.

HandsomeRob86 · 03-23-2014, 06:59 PM

Quote:Now THIS isn't a rental, as it appears that the trade was made with the contract extension already basically agreed upon.

Contrast this trade to the Eugene Monroe trade. The Monroe trade WAS a rental in comparison,

Lol, people were waiting for TMD, but you went ahead and tried to justify what looks like a below average trade (for us). The homerism is strong on this board. Is it really hard to admit that the Monroe situation and trade was less than ideal? I guess so. Wonder how many more trades like that have to happen before Caldwell is compared to Gene. We got a 6th for Gabbs with only a 'one-year rental contract' surely we could have done better for Monroe was was a top 10 tackle for the last 3 years vs. the worst QB in the league that Gabbert has been.

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SuperJville · 03-23-2014, 10:01 PM

Quote:Lol, people were waiting for TMD, but you went ahead and tried to justify what looks like a below average trade (for us). The homerism is strong on this board. Is it really hard to admit that the Monroe situation and trade was less than ideal? I guess so. Wonder how many more trades like that have to happen before Caldwell is compared to Gene. We got a 6th for Gabbs with only a 'one-year rental contract' surely we could have done better for Monroe was was a top 10 tackle for the last 3 years vs. the worst QB in the league that Gabbert has been.

A) Monroe is not a top 10 tackle just because you say he is. When he plays well, he cracks the top 10 IMO but he's way too inconsistent to be considered on of the great or elite tackles in this league. Is he good? Yes.

B) He had 7 games left on his contract. That's SEVEN. That's the biggest factor you fail to grasp.

I'm not a homer, I criticize Caldwell when I think he deserves. I still don't think letting Daryl Smith walk was a good idea, for instance. I'm also not a fan of letting Uche Nwaneri walk if you're only going to sign 1 starting caliber offensive lineman in free agency.

I also question why change the offensive line "scheme" or whatever that made Monroe not play well in it? If he's an established and pretty good LT in the league, why change the scheme if literally nobody on your roster can play your scheme well?

For the record, I don't think we "won" that trade or "lost" it. You're just not going to get a lot for a guy that has 7 games left on his deal, especially if he hasn't agreed to a contract extension as part of the trade. It's a rental.

**Senor Fantastico** · 03-23-2014, 11:21 PM

Quote:A) Monroe is not a top 10 tackle just because you say he is. When he plays well, he cracks the top 10 IMO but he's way too inconsistent to be considered on of the great or elite tackles in this league. Is he good? Yes.

B) He had 7 games left on his contract. That's SEVEN. That's the biggest factor you fail to grasp.

I'm not a homer, I criticize Caldwell when I think he deserves. I still don't think letting Daryl Smith walk was a good idea, for instance. I'm also not a fan of letting Uche Nwaneri walk if you're only going to sign 1 starting caliber offensive lineman in free agency.

I also question why change the offensive line "scheme" or whatever that made Monroe not play well in it? If he's an established and pretty good LT in the league, why change the scheme if literally nobody on your roster can play your scheme well?

For the record, I don't think we "won" that trade or "lost" it. You're just not going to get a lot for a guy that has 7 games left on his deal, especially if he hasn't agreed to a contract extension as part of the trade. It's a rental.

FWIW, I don't think Caldwell has much to do with choosing the scheme of the offensive line.

ObjectiveJag · 03-24-2014, 01:57 AM

Still hung over TMD?

Predator · 03-24-2014, 02:19 AM

Quote:A) Monroe is not a top 10 tackle just because you say he is. When he plays well, he cracks the top 10 IMO but he's way too inconsistent to be considered on of the great or elite tackles in this league. Is he good? Yes.

B) He had 7 games left on his contract. That's SEVEN. That's the biggest factor you fail to grasp.

I'm not a homer, I criticize Caldwell when I think he deserves. I still don't think letting Daryl Smith walk was a good idea, for instance. I'm also not a fan of letting Uche Nwaneri walk if you're only going to sign 1 starting caliber offensive lineman in free agency.

I also question why change the offensive line "scheme" or whatever that made Monroe not play well in it? If he's an established and pretty good LT in the league, why change the scheme if literally nobody on your roster can play your scheme well?

For the record, I don't think we "won" that trade or "lost" it. You're just not going to get a lot for a guy that has 7 games left on his deal, especially if he hasn't agreed to a contract extension as part of the trade. It's a rental.

Monroe had 12 games left on his contract when we traded him. He sat out 1 week for the ravens and started 11 games. That is 3/4 of the season.

San Fran gave up a 6th just to have a guy sit the bench for a year, and that's if he makes the final roster. They could be giving up a 6th for camp fodder.

Mr Sensible · 03-24-2014, 01:33 PM

Quote:A) Monroe is not a top 10 tackle just because you say he is. When he plays well, he cracks the top 10 IMO but he's way too inconsistent to be considered on of the great or elite tackles in this league. Is he good? Yes.

B) He had 7 games left on his contract. That's SEVEN. That's the biggest factor you fail to grasp.

I'm not a homer, I criticize Caldwell when I think he deserves. I still don't think letting Daryl Smith walk was a good idea, for instance. I'm also not a fan of letting Uche Nwaneri walk if you're only going to sign 1 starting caliber offensive lineman in free agency.

I also question why change the offensive line "scheme" or whatever that made Monroe not play well in it? If he's an established and pretty good LT in the league, why change the scheme if literally nobody on your roster can play your scheme well?

For the record, I don't think we "won" that trade or "lost" it. You're just not going to get a lot for a guy that has 7 games left on his deal, especially if he hasn't agreed to a contract extension as part of the trade. It's a rental.

If you had put a poll up asking who our best 3 players were the day prior to the Monroe trade, Monroe would have got a lot of votes.

If you had put a poll up on the same day asking if Monroe was a top 5 OT, I bet at least 50% would say yes and at least 95% would say top 10.

We trade him for a 5th and now he is mediocre.

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SuperJville · 03-24-2014, 01:41 PM

Quote:If you had put a poll up asking who our best 3 players were the day prior to the Monroe trade, Monroe would have got a lot of votes.

If you had put a poll up on the same day asking if Monroe was a top 5 OT, I bet at least 50% would say yes and at least 95% would say top 10.

We trade him for a 5th and now he is mediocre.

If you polled us, sure -

If you polled the rest of the NFL or NFL GMs, I doubt many would say he was a top 5 LT.

We will always find a way to overrate our players.

And nobody claimed he was mediocre. He's pretty good, but he's far from elite. And it was a 4th and 5th, just to be accurate.

SuperJville · 03-24-2014, 01:42 PM

Quote:Monroe had 12 games left on his contract when we traded him. He sat out 1 week for the ravens and started 11 games. That is 3/4 of the season.

San Fran gave up a 6th just to have a guy sit the bench for a year, and that's if he makes the final roster. They could be giving up a 6th for camp fodder.

You're right, not sure what I was thinking when I wrote 7 games.

But a late 6th round pick is nowhere near close to the compensation that a mid 4th and mid 5th are.

**Senor Fantastico** · 03-24-2014, 01:54 PM

He was easily top 10 to me, until we changed schemes.

Early last year, he might have been a bottom 10 starter. I thought Bradfield looked way better.

I'm not sure how that plays into things, but it creates an interesting dynamic.

JagsFanClubOfMD · 03-24-2014, 03:32 PM

I suspect that Eugene had his best value had we started shopping him for trade during the 2013 draft right after picking Joekel. As it stands, I wouldn't call it a good or bad trade for us. We probably got less than Monroe was worth in that, we likely won't get a Monroe level player with either of the picks, but it was a good move considering that Monroe would have left at the end of the Season anyway and we would have got absolutely nothing.

As far as the trade that this thread is actually about, the Ravens gave up a future late round pick for a player who was going to be cut mainly so they didn't have to compete with other teams for him and The Bucs got an extra spin at the roulette table that is the fifth round for a player they were going to cut anyway.

TJBender · 03-24-2014, 04:53 PM

Hell, I'd have given up one of our fives for Zuttah.