I have been wondering about that because it is hard to believe that these guys just forgot how to play football, as far as del rio creating this run first mentality, I don't know but IMO Coughlin designed this team and Shack and gene continued the same scheme. I have a legitimate question? Is it harder to transition to a 3-4 defense from a 4-3 or is it harder to transition from a man gap blocking to zone blocking because these guys just look awkward.

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I have been wondering about that because it is hard to believe that these guys just forgot how to play football, as far as del rio creating this run first mentality, I don't know but IMO Coughlin designed this team and Shack and gene continued the same scheme. I have a legitimate question? Is it harder to transition to a 3-4 defense from a 4-3 or is it harder to transition from a man gap blocking to zone blocking because these guys just look awkward.

A darn good question-one I never considered. 

 

As much as this sounds like a law student's answer, it depends...namely on the versatility of the players on the roster and the availability of players to correctly play the schemes in the draft pool, and the effectiveness of the coaches implementing these schemes.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

I have been wondering about that because it is hard to believe that these guys just forgot how to play football, as far as del rio creating this run first mentality, I don't know but IMO Coughlin designed this team and Shack and gene continued the same scheme. I have a legitimate question? Is it harder to transition to a 3-4 defense from a 4-3 or is it harder to transition from a man gap blocking to zone blocking because these guys just look awkward.

 

On defense you have to get different guys to play 3-4, on offense you play a different scheme with the same guys. I'd say offense is harder because of that.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

All I know is that Meester and Rackley's play thus far has severely hindered implementing the ZBS.  I don't think a gap system would be much better for those two - but MJD seems more natural playing gap as opposed to zone.  So maybe reverting to it could be a mild improvement in the run game.  

 

Pass protection is just going to be non-existent until Rackley and Meester are upgraded, IMO.   (Uche shares some blame behind them - but he was  a little better in week 3)

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Our interior line are a bunch of tweeners.  They aren't big or strong enough to get any push and they aren't fast enough to get to the second level consistently in a ZBS.

 

I honestly think if we added 10 pounds to Marcedes he could play LG better than Rackley in a ZBS.

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All I know is that Meester and Rackley's play thus far has severely hindered implementing the ZBS. 

 

Or has the ZBS hindered their play?

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Or has the ZBS hindered their play?

 

There have been several times out there where the guys look lost, so I'd say yes, it has hindered their play. 

 

Meester is done after this year.  He's officially a liability.  I know they re-signed him because there wasn't a better option available to them, but he's looked pretty bad at times this year, and I think when he plays badly, it hurts the guard play significantly. 

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

There have been several times out there where the guys look lost, so I'd say yes, it has hindered their play. 

 

Meester is done after this year.  He's officially a liability.  I know they re-signed him because there wasn't a better option available to them, but he's looked pretty bad at times this year, and I think when he plays badly, it hurts the guard play significantly. 

 

Will Rackley has also been awful.  He gets pushed back way too much.  On one specific play, he had his elbow into his side stomach trying to block...  Get your arms up Rackley!!!  How in the hell are you going to block someone that is 300 pounds with no leverage!  Ugh, sorry, that play annoyed me.

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Will Rackley has also been awful.  He gets pushed back way too much.  On one specific play, he had his elbow into his side stomach trying to block...  Get your arms up Rackley!!!  How in the hell are you going to block someone that is 300 pounds with no leverage!  Ugh, sorry, that play annoyed me.

 

He's struggling.  The entire interior of that line is.  I agree with the sentiment above that they're not big enough, strong enough, or fast enough to be effective.  There have been times this year where Rackley has looked like he's on roller skates.

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Or has the ZBS hindered their play?

Obviously it has hindered their play in the running game.  I'd say their play is hindering the ZBS more than the ZBS is hindering them.    

 

They can't really use that  new scheme excuse  in pass protection - which has been non-existent. 

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

On defense you have to get different guys to play 3-4, on offense you play a different scheme with the same guys. I'd say offense is harder because of that.

I always hated the 3-4 because teams change schemes with the same players even if they are better suited for the 4-3. Aaron Kampman wanted to be a Jaguar because he didn't like being moved back to OLB and was better as a 4-3 DE.

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Oakland tried switching to a ZBS last year and failed terribly. They scrapped it and went back and switched to a traditional scheme this year.

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

He's struggling.  The entire interior of that line is.  I agree with the sentiment above that they're not big enough, strong enough, or fast enough to be effective.  There have been times this year where Rackley has looked like he's on roller skates.

 

Yes and after watching them play, you have to wonder why we didn't get someone in free agency at the guard positions.  Of course, I would need to go back and look who was young, available and reasonable, otherwise I'm blindly criticizing, but have to think someone was available that would have been a upgrade.  I think that, not getting a RT in one of the best RT free agencies we have seen and not keeping Daryl Smith are Caldwell's biggest mistakes so far.  At least you can make very good points as to why he should have done all 3.  

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Yes and after watching them play, you have to wonder why we didn't get someone in free agency at the guard positions. Of course, I would need to go back and look who was young, available and reasonable, otherwise I'm blindly criticizing, but have to think someone was available that would have been a upgrade. I think that, not getting a RT in one of the best RT free agencies we have seen and not keeping Daryl Smith are Caldwell's biggest mistakes so far. At least you can make very good points as to why he should have done all 3.

I distinctly recall bringing this concern up during the offseason numerous times. Remember?

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

It has become evident this team is not suited for a zone blocking scheme.

 

The only true extremely athletic offensive lineman we have is Monroe. Joeckel is somewhat athletic, and the rest of them aren't at all. They can't get to the second level for blocks.

 

Put that with MJD who obviously doesn't feel comfortable in this scheme after using a gap scheme for his entire career and you have a terrible running game.

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If the system doesn't fit the players then you need to get the 1st overall pick and fix the players

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Gotta believe there are a couple of options on someone's practice squad...

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Fix the O-Line!

Per rotoworld:


The Jaguars appear to already be scrapping their zone-blocking scheme.It's reminiscent of the 2012 Raiders, who couldn't get any rushing production after changing their scheme and trying to fit square peg Darren McFadden into a round hole. The Jags ran more power-gap plays in the second half of Sunday's loss to Seattle, and made slight improvements in efficiency. The real problem is Jacksonville's utter inability to open interior running lanes.


Source:ESPN.COM

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

It has become evident this team is not suited for a zone blocking scheme.

 

The only true extremely athletic offensive lineman we have is Monroe. Joeckel is somewhat athletic, and the rest of them aren't at all. They can't get to the second level for blocks.

 

Put that with MJD who obviously doesn't feel comfortable in this scheme after using a gap scheme for his entire career and you have a terrible running game.

 

Would a better set of coaches have noticed  that  these guys would fail  in a zone blocking scheme? 

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