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What happened to the Trump/Russia talk?
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(07-13-2017, 01:34 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:(07-13-2017, 12:37 PM)boudreaumw Wrote: Of course they believe it. Dur Fuhrer just said it. So now it's the rabble's talking point. Here's an opinion piece by Charles Krauthammer, noted conservative and Fox News contributor: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/...01e9cdc74a We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
(07-14-2017, 06:16 AM)The Real Marty Wrote:(07-13-2017, 01:34 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Like your own? First off, since Trump isn't conservative it's no surprise that a conservative commentator would post a misleading and, at times, flat out wrong argument against him. Well actually, against Junior. Secondly, here's a link from another source that doesn't block everyone who has a pop-up blocker. Clean Link You should refrain from linking the WaPo in the future since not everyone is allowed to read it. Lastly, Krauthammer claims Russia is a "hostile power." I ask again, where is the list of which countries are officially considered "hostile" by the US government? "Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"
(07-14-2017, 08:04 AM)MalabarJag Wrote:(07-14-2017, 06:16 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: Here's an opinion piece by Charles Krauthammer, noted conservative and Fox News contributor: I don't know why you keep asking me that. Why are you asking me?
Now this morning we learn that a former Soviet counterintelligence officer was also in the meeting.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-r...ing-report
(07-14-2017, 10:25 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: Now this morning we learn that a former Soviet counterintelligence officer was also in the meeting. Who is now a U.S. citizen and acted as a translator. Damning stuff. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
(07-14-2017, 11:50 AM)homebiscuit Wrote:(07-14-2017, 10:25 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: Now this morning we learn that a former Soviet counterintelligence officer was also in the meeting. http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-tr...hin-2017-7 The person who was the former Soviet intelligence officer was- "Rinat Akhmetshin, a Russian-born lobbyist who since at least last year has been working with the lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, to overturn a US law sanctioning Russians, [and he] confirmed his participation in the meeting..." He is a dual Russian-American citizen. He is described in the article linked above as "A Soviet military intelligence officer turned lobbyist ..."
(07-14-2017, 12:19 PM)The Real Marty Wrote:(07-14-2017, 11:50 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: Who is now a U.S. citizen and acted as a translator. Damning stuff. And?…
(07-13-2017, 01:34 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:My own what exactly? I'll wait while you figure out how to project even more.(07-13-2017, 12:37 PM)boudreaumw Wrote: Of course they believe it. Dur Fuhrer just said it. So now it's the rabble's talking point. (07-12-2017, 02:42 PM)jagibelieve Wrote:Notice how you refuse to identify yourself?(07-12-2017, 11:14 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: Jesus. Can we at least stipulate to the following facts? Fake Person. I think my favorite part about this fake news frothy fervor you all have now, is you try to pretend to be and sound smart but then pretend you don't understand a thing about journalistic sourcing and anonymity all the while voting a guy into office who's favorite phrase is some variation of "many people are saying". The lack of self awareness is astounding.
(07-14-2017, 12:24 PM)homebiscuit Wrote:(07-14-2017, 12:19 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-tr...hin-2017-7 And now we know the truth. They were willing to collude with a foreign power to win the election. "...a hostile foreign power that has repeatedly invaded its neighbors (Georgia, Crimea, Eastern Ukraine), that buzzes our planes and ships in international waters, that opposes our every move and objective around the globe. Just last week the Kremlin killed additional U.N. sanctions we were looking to impose on North Korea for its ICBM test." Krauthammer in National Review ========================================================= The evidence is now shown. This is not hearsay, not fake news, not unsourced leaks. This is an e-mail chain released by Donald Trump Jr. himself. A British go-between writes that there’s a Russian government effort to help Trump Sr. win the election, and as part of that effort he proposes a meeting with a “Russian government attorney” possessing damaging information on Hillary Clinton. Moreover, the Kremlin is willing to share troves of incriminating documents from the Crown Prosecutor. (Error: Britain has a Crown Prosecutor. Russia has a State Prosecutor.) Donald Jr. e-mails back. “I love it.” Fatal words. Once you’ve said “I’m in,” it makes no difference that the meeting was a bust, that the intermediary brought no such goods. What matters is what Donald Jr. thought going into the meeting, as well as Jared Kushner and then-campaign manager Paul Manafort, who were copied on the correspondence, invited to the meeting, and attended. have the Trumpites not been telling us for six months that no collusion ever happened? And now they say: Sure it happened. So what? Everyone does it. What’s left of your credibility when you make such a casual about-face? I leave it to the lawyers to adjudicate the legalities of unconsummated collusion. But you don’t need a lawyer to see that the Trump defense — collusion as a desperate Democratic fiction designed to explain away a lost election — is now officially dead. =================================================== We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
Here are the facts as they stand right now.
This story from the AP gives a bit more detail regarding the issue. There are 10 kinds of people in this world. Those who understand binary and those who don't.
(07-14-2017, 06:16 AM)The Real Marty Wrote:(07-13-2017, 01:34 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Like your own? A piece by a noted Establishmentarian, yes no agenda there. “An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato
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(07-14-2017, 12:27 PM)boudreaumw Wrote:(07-13-2017, 01:34 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Like your own?My own what exactly? I'll wait while you figure out how to project even more. Talking point, you know this, you just cant accept it. Its all they have and its nothing but distraction. “An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato
(07-14-2017, 02:20 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: Here are the facts as they stand right now. The facts is Donnie, Jr. thought he was getting dirt on Hillary Clinton from an official Russian government source and jumped at the chance. This fact shows Donnie, Jr. is ethically bankrupt. Nobody who knows anything about how the Trumps have behaved since their forefathers immigrated should be surprised. To them it's all about winning and losing, ethics be damned.
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(07-14-2017, 05:36 PM)rollerjag Wrote:(07-14-2017, 02:20 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: Here are the facts as they stand right now. LOL. Someone trying to get dirt on an opposing candidate is being morally bankrupt? (07-14-2017, 06:16 AM)The Real Marty Wrote:(07-13-2017, 01:34 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Like your own? With all due respect to Mr Krauthammer I just see how this is collusion. Correct me if I am wrong but from what I have seen a tabloid journalist falsely offered up to Jr a lawyer tied to the Russian government with dirt on Hillary. The lawyer had no ties to the Russian Government nor did she have dirt on Hillary. Where is any collusion between the Trump campaign and Putin to be seen here? Did Trump Jr. and by extension Trump seek to gain damaging info on a political opponent? Obviously yes. Collusion here? No! While we are at it we do have confirmed collusion in the 2016 election. The DNC colluded with Hillary Clinton to deny Bernie Sanders the democratic nomination. Where is the investigative reporting in this collusion? The irony here is had Sanders won the democratic nomination HE would most likely be president right now. You Never Trumpers need to refocus your ire IMO. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk (07-14-2017, 05:36 PM)rollerjag Wrote:(07-14-2017, 02:20 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: Here are the facts as they stand right now. New to using Tapatalk so pardon any shortcuts I missed. You stated: "The fact is Donnie Jr. thought he was getting dirt on Hillary Clinton". Everything after that statement is wishful thinking and conjecture. Jr was looking and hoping for dirt on Clinton case closed. The source is irrelevant as well as the person seeking said dirt. Name one politician in all of history that would not hear out the possibilities, I'll wait.
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(07-14-2017, 05:36 PM)rollerjag Wrote:(07-14-2017, 02:20 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: Here are the facts as they stand right now. It is not illegal to meet with someone and hear what they have to say, not even if they are a foreign official. It is not even unethical. Had Junior actually been given dirt on Hillary and then published it, that would be unethical, although still not illegal. "Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"
So, what we know so far is that Trump Jr was offered what he thought was a chance to collude with the Russians to get his father elected, and he jumped at the chance. Manafort and Kushner went along with him.
Legal or illegal? Moral or immoral? Ethical or unethical? Whatever. The way this stuff keeps dribbling out, the way the Trump people keep lying and getting caught, I'm sure there will be more to this story. What amazes me is how many people seem to be more loyal to Trump than they are to the truth, or the Republican agenda or anything else. It's like a cult.
(07-15-2017, 09:54 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: So, what we know so far is that Trump Jr was offered what he thought was a chance to collude with the Russians to get his father elected, and he jumped at the chance. Manafort and Kushner went along with him. Trump supporters dont give a damn about anything else because those other things, other than the truth but certainly including the Establishment Republican agenda, have done nothing but screw them over for 20 years. Now Trump is speaking their language and Trump's opponents turned the rhetoric up so loud that they dont care what's being said because, knowing full well what he is, they still trust him more than those speaking against him. “An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato
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