Dude, the stock market went up by 10,000 points and the housing market recovered under the Obama era.  Not sure what you were doing between 2008 and 2016 but that Obama "mess" resulted in massive increases in homeowners equity and 401k for us.

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So, what are the absolute undisputed unfiltered-through-the-left-wing-media facts that we know right now? 

1)  All of the US intelligence agencies who have looked into it have testified in open session on Capitol Hill that the Russians were actively trying to influence our election.   That's an undisputed fact: that our intelligence agencies believe this very strongly.  Even Donald Trump has said as much.   There is no one left on the planet who denies that the Russians were trying to influence our election, except the Russians themselves.  

2) We know that in June of 2016, the top officials of the Trump campaign- Trump Jr, Manafort, and Kushner, met with a person who had been described to Trump Jr as an agent of the Russian government, who supposedly had dirt on Hillary Clinton, and he, Trump Jr, was told beforehand that this was part of the Russian government's attempts to get his father elected.  

So now we have two parties that wanted to collude with each other.   The Russians wanted to collude, the Trump campaign wanted to collude.  

So your spin is that they never actually consummated the relationship.  Oooookay.

This is from FOX NEWS:

Trump Jr. Burns GOP Defenders

"For weeks, Republicans have been able to say with increasing conviction that there was not a shred of evidence of any inappropriate contact between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin. 
You won’t be hearing that one much anymore.
The best defense on offer now is a claim that it is not illegal, per se, to collude with a hostile foreign power in an American election. That spin is so bad that not even true believers can fully abide it. It may not be illegal, but it is certainly shameful.
Now, like the rest of the country, Republicans in Congress are left to wonder what else is out there – what else is the campaign hiding?"

Except, the person that Trump Jr. met with was not in fact "an agent of the Russian government".  The person that gave the description of said attorney was a former British tabloid "journalist".

Try to spin all you want.  The MSM is certainly doing so as well as some of the democrat politicians, but the fact of the matter is, there is nothing there.  The article that you linked to "reports" facts that are not correct.

After the revelation that Donald Trump Jr. met with a lawyer tied to Vladimir Putin in hopes to obtaining dirt on Hillary Clinton – as “part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump” 

The part in bold is what the MSM and the left is running with.  There is nothing there.  Nothing.  Zip.  Nada.  Zilch. ничего.

From the email thread released by Donald Trump, Jr.:

On Jun 7, 2016, at 4:20 PM, Rob Goldstone wrote:

Don

Hope all is well

Emin asked that I schedule a meeting with you and The Russian government attorney who is flying over from Moscow for this Thursday.
I believe you are aware of the meeting - and so wondered if 3pm or later on Thursday works for you?
I assume it would be at your office.

Best
Rob Goldstone

Junior thought he was meeting with a representative of the Russian government, and felt it was important enough to invite his father's campaign manager and his own brother-in-law. If nothing came of it, it wasn't for lack of trying.

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Color me shocked that someone involved with a presidential campaign would be willing to meet with another person who claimed to have dirt on the opponent.

I certainly hope the MSM doesn't get wind that any of the Trumps have ever tasted vodka at some point in the last 2 years or we'll be subjected to another round of Russian collusion hysteria.

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"The Code of Federal Regulations makes the law immunizing Trump Jr.’s actions precisely clear: any foreign national individual may volunteer personal services to a federal candidate or federal political committee without making a contribution. The law provides this volunteer “exemption” as long as the individual performing the service is not compensated by anyone on the campaign. See 11 CFR 100.74. For example, as the Federal Election Commission advises all, “an individual can provide volunteer services to a candidate or party without considering the value of those service a contribution to the candidate or party.” Section 30121 of Title 52 does not apply to voluntary activity or services. The thing “of value” must be actual money, or its transferable equivalent, not a volunteer of services or information."


http://lawnewz.com/opinion/why-donald-tr...nt-period/

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Except, the person that Trump Jr. met with was not in fact "an agent of the Russian government".  The person that gave the description of said attorney was a former British tabloid "journalist".

Try to spin all you want.  The MSM is certainly doing so as well as some of the democrat politicians, but the fact of the matter is, there is nothing there.  The article that you linked to "reports" facts that are not correct.


The part in bold is what the MSM and the left is running with.  There is nothing there.  Nothing.  Zip.  Nada.  Zilch. ничего.

From the email thread released by Donald Trump, Jr.:

On Jun 7, 2016, at 4:20 PM, Rob Goldstone wrote:

Don

Hope all is well

Emin asked that I schedule a meeting with you and The Russian government attorney who is flying over from Moscow for this Thursday.
I believe you are aware of the meeting - and so wondered if 3pm or later on Thursday works for you?
I assume it would be at your office.

Best
Rob Goldstone

Junior thought he was meeting with a representative of the Russian government, and felt it was important enough to invite his father's campaign manager and his own brother-in-law. If nothing came of it, it wasn't for lack of trying.

Again though, what he "thought" and what is reality aren't the same.  Said attorney was in no way involved with the Russian government.  I would assume that Trump Jr. and the others involved would have known that.

As far as "trying", look at it this way.  If there was something there that was legitimate, of course they would want the information.

The fact of the matter is, none of this is "PROOF" of any "collaboration" with the Russian government at all.  The MSM is running with the story of Trump Jr. meeting with an official "Russian government lawyer" when that is simply not the case.

Just because a former tabloid "journalist" calls a lawyer from Russia "The Crown prosecutor of Russia" or a "Russian Government attorney" in an email doesn't make it so.  I'm certainly sure that not only Trump Jr. but all other parties involved knew otherwise.

People read into this stuff without really thinking.

As Homebusciut said earlier... it's a nothingburger.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

Actually, most the dreaded MSM is indeed making the making the distinction of which you speak. When Junior thought he was getting dirt on Clinton from an official Russian government source he was all over it, enough to bring along two other campaign heavy hitters.

It speaks to intent. It's not a smoking gun, just another piece to the puzzle.

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Personally, I think they ended the meeting early because he thought he was meeting a hot Russian attorney based on her pic but she turned out to be a little fat chick. Gotta admit, I was slightly disappointed as well.

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Actually, most the dreaded MSM is indeed making the making the distinction of which you speak. When Junior thought he was getting dirt on Clinton from an official Russian government source he was all over it, enough to bring along two other campaign heavy hitters.

It speaks to intent. It's not a smoking gun, just another piece to the puzzle.

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The thing is, looking at it from a logical perspective the meeting probably took place and had nothing to do with the emails released.  I just find it hard to believe that he would take a meeting with the sole purpose of "getting dirt" on Shrillary.

We can speculate all we want on what he "thought", but when stepping back and looking at it logically, it doesn't make sense.  The "story" right now is what he "thought" based on an email exchange.  Several fantasy story-lines could be made from that which is what the MSM is doing.

Think about this... if what he was doing was in any way malicious, why would he release the email chain?

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

17 intel services agree? Then we can be pretty sure it isn't true. Deception is what they do for a living and telling the truth is nowhere in the script. But the "Russian collusion" determination was actually made by a specially-construed, hand-picked 12-person panel of ex-Obama Administration officials. Didn't they cover this on CNN?

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Dude, the stock market went up by 10,000 points and the housing market recovered under the Obama era.  Not sure what you were doing between 2008 and 2016 but that Obama "mess" resulted in massive increases in homeowners equity and 401k for us.

1. Using the bottom of the housing collapse is blatant cherry picking.

2. The housing market partially recovered. My house is currently worth about half of it's listed value by Zillow in 2008.

The stock market going up is no help when you have no job or savings. Bragging on the stock prices is like bragging on how much more some billionaire is worth than he was in 2008. There are a lot of people who never got their jobs back after eight years of Obama, and the workforce participation rate declined through the entire Obama era.



https://tradingeconomics.com/united-stat...ation-rate

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

So..... this is the news article information-

The email chain posted by Mr Trump Jr shows:
-On 3 June last year he received an email from intermediary Mr Goldstone promising documents from Russia that would incriminate Hillary Clinton and her supposed dealings with Russia.

-One email from Mr Goldstone said the information they had been promised was "obviously very high-level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr Trump"

-The person who was to meet Mr Trump Jr in New York was described as "a Russian government attorney who is flying over from Moscow"

-Within the week, a meeting had been arranged which included Mr Trump Jr, Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort

So some 'Russian high level official' from the "crown prosecutor of Russia," a position that doesn't exist, sends an email(s) to a publicist who then forwards the email(s) to the Trump people about stuff that might be inflammatory toward Clinton. They then meet with a Russian attorney who has "been linked to" the Russian government but had no credible information.  

So where is this damaging information? Because if there was some the MSM would be howling from the rooftops. As it is it seems like they're trying to put a puzzle together. I get that collusion on it's own is not good, but it's already been pointed out that information can be offered to a campaign as long as no money was paid for it which is a whole other story. There seems to be a lot of circumstantial 'evidence' with nothing really happening. 

If there was wrongdoing then people should be brought to justice. I just think the damn media needs to let whoever do their job without constant interference. How is our government supposed to do their actual job of running this country if this is what is constantly being "reported" and the media is constantly looking to politicians for information (dirt) or to be on their shows or some such nonsense? 

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But, but the intent was there! He didn't know she wasn't a Russian government lawyer! He was going to COLLUUUUUDE with the Russian government to alter the election!!!! Are you blind?????

Did I do it right?

"For weeks, Republicans have been able to say with increasing conviction that there was not a shred of evidence of any inappropriate contact between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin. 
You won’t be hearing that one much anymore.
The best defense on offer now is a claim that it is not illegal, per se, to collude with a hostile foreign power in an American election. That spin is so bad that not even true believers can fully abide it. It may not be illegal, but it is certainly shameful.
Now, like the rest of the country, Republicans in Congress are left to wonder what else is out there – what else is the campaign hiding?"

Is Russia listed by the US government as a "hostile foreign power?"

Is China? France?

Is there some official list?

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

Yawn. Another nothingburger.

Nothingburger?   Seriously?  Trump Jr gets an email that says he needs to meet with this woman because she is part of the Russian government's effort to help his father win the election, and he goes to the meeting, and that's a nothingburger?

It's in his statement.   No mainstream media involved here.   This is directly from Trump Jr.  The guy just confessed to everything they've been denying for months.

What crime is CNN telling you Jr committed?

This whole thing smells like it was a setup if you actually look at the series of events that lead up to that meeting.  Donald Jr releasing the email chain pretty much supports the fact that, as any campaign would do, he was willing to meet with someone who had potential dirt on a candidate they were running against.  That was the premise of the meeting.  The whole premise of the meeting was a lie to get this woman in front of the Trump campaign to lobby over something else completely.  So, at the end of the day, Junior met with a woman who had absolutely no affiliation with the Russian government to talk about the possibility of easing adoption restrictions with Russia.  So, Trump Jr. confessed to meeting with her.  There's no crime.  There was no reason for him to even disclose it since he's a private citizen.  So, tell me again what you're so (CNN induced) outraged over here?

Oddly enough, the Clinton campaign did the EXACT same thing colluding with the Ukrainian government to obtain dirt on Trump.  I guess CNN hasn't triggered your outrage over that one.

I think nothing burger is actually giving it too much weight.  It's simply nothing but more hyper-sensationalized reporting by a network desperately trying to find some way to regain a shred of credibility before they get completely flushed down the toilet.

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

"For weeks, Republicans have been able to say with increasing conviction that there was not a shred of evidence of any inappropriate contact between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin. 
You won’t be hearing that one much anymore.
The best defense on offer now is a claim that it is not illegal, per se, to collude with a hostile foreign power in an American election. That spin is so bad that not even true believers can fully abide it. It may not be illegal, but it is certainly shameful.
Now, like the rest of the country, Republicans in Congress are left to wonder what else is out there – what else is the campaign hiding?"

Is Russia listed by the US government as a "hostile foreign power?"

Is China? France?

Is there some official list?

Remember when Obama scoffed at Romney for suggesting that Russia was our biggest global threat?

Democrats didn't see Russia as a threat to anything until November 10, 2016, at which time they were scrambling to come up with excuses for why they lost the presidential election while being completely unwilling to accept the fact that they just rigged a nomination process to put arguably the crappiest candidate to ever run for the office up against a pretty bad one in Donald Trump.

We've spent the last 9 months since the election watching the media continue to deny what transpired on election day, convinced that something had to be rigged.  The collective outrage is pretty entertaining.  It's somewhat strange that none of them seemed to care an iota about an ACTUAL rigged election when they greased the skids to make sure Hillary won the nomination despite the fact that she was getting trounced repeatedly by a geriatric socialist who pretty much ran on a lark.

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

So..... this is the news article information-

The email chain posted by Mr Trump Jr shows:
-On 3 June last year he received an email from intermediary Mr Goldstone promising documents from Russia that would incriminate Hillary Clinton and her supposed dealings with Russia.

-One email from Mr Goldstone said the information they had been promised was "obviously very high-level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr Trump"

-The person who was to meet Mr Trump Jr in New York was described as "a Russian government attorney who is flying over from Moscow"

-Within the week, a meeting had been arranged which included Mr Trump Jr, Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort

So some 'Russian high level official' from the "crown prosecutor of Russia," a position that doesn't exist, sends an email(s) to a publicist who then forwards the email(s) to the Trump people about stuff that might be inflammatory toward Clinton. They then meet with a Russian attorney who has "been linked to" the Russian government but had no credible information.  

So where is this damaging information? Because if there was some the MSM would be howling from the rooftops. As it is it seems like they're trying to put a puzzle together. I get that collusion on it's own is not good, but it's already been pointed out that information can be offered to a campaign as long as no money was paid for it which is a whole other story. There seems to be a lot of circumstantial 'evidence' with nothing really happening. 

If there was wrongdoing then people should be brought to justice. I just think the damn media needs to let whoever do their job without constant interference. How is our government supposed to do their actual job of running this country if this is what is constantly being "reported" and the media is constantly looking to politicians for information (dirt) or to be on their shows or some such nonsense? 

The problem with the left today is that the media is the party apparatus for the democrats.  They're running the show.

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

So, another big fat nothing burger. Are nothing burgers considered red meat? If so, the MSM better watch out for heart disease.

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Actually, most the dreaded MSM is indeed making the making the distinction of which you speak. When Junior thought he was getting dirt on Clinton from an official Russian government source he was all over it, enough to bring along two other campaign heavy hitters.

It speaks to intent. It's not a smoking gun, just another piece to the puzzle.

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The thing is, looking at it from a logical perspective the meeting probably took place and had nothing to do with the emails released.  I just find it hard to believe that he would take a meeting with the sole purpose of "getting dirt" on Shrillary.

We can speculate all we want on what he "thought", but when stepping back and looking at it logically, it doesn't make sense.  The "story" right now is what he "thought" based on an email exchange.  Several fantasy story-lines could be made from that which is what the MSM is doing.

Think about this... if what he was doing was in any way malicious, why would he release the email chain?

He released the emails because the New York Times was about to release them, and he thought he could get out in front of the story.   It was a really desperate thing to do that apparently has backfired, because now, no one can claim it's fake news. 

Email to Trump Jr. in June 2016:
"This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump,"

And Trump Jr replied:
"If it's what you say I love it,"
And then he forwarded the email to Kushner and Manifort and invited them to the meeting, which they attended. 

So, whether we want to judge it malicious or dumb or whatever, there it is.   This is no longer fake news. Whether the Russians actually helped Trump get elected or not, and why, and what they might have received in return, we don't know yet, but what we do know is, the top Trump campaign people were eager for Russian help, because getting those 3 guys into that meeting is no small thing in the middle of a campaign.

So now we know, the Russians wanted to help, the intelligence agencies have all said that, and we also know the Trump campaign wanted their help. Stay tuned. This is not fake news. It's real.

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The thing is, looking at it from a logical perspective the meeting probably took place and had nothing to do with the emails released.  I just find it hard to believe that he would take a meeting with the sole purpose of "getting dirt" on Shrillary.

We can speculate all we want on what he "thought", but when stepping back and looking at it logically, it doesn't make sense.  The "story" right now is what he "thought" based on an email exchange.  Several fantasy story-lines could be made from that which is what the MSM is doing.

Think about this... if what he was doing was in any way malicious, why would he release the email chain?

He released the emails because the New York Times was about to release them, and he thought he could get out in front of the story.   It was a really desperate thing to do that apparently has backfired, because now, no one can claim it's fake news. 

Email to Trump Jr. in June 1996:
"This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump,"

And Trump Jr replied:
"If it's what you say I love it,"
And then he forwarded the email to Kushner and Manifort and invited them to the meeting, which they attended. 

So, whether we want to judge it malicious or dumb or whatever, there it is.   This is no longer fake news.  Whether the Russians actually helped Trump get elected or not, and why, and what they might have received in return, we don't know yet, but what we do know is, the top Trump campaign people were eager for Russian help, because getting those 3 guys into that meeting is no small thing in the middle of a campaign.  

So now we know, the Russians wanted to help, the intelligence agencies have all said that, and we also know the Trump campaign wanted their help.  Stay tuned.  This is not fake news.   It's real.

Yep, it's real. Because no one can resist good logical contortionism and multiple leaps to conclusion. 

Good gawd, you people should hear yourselves.

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He released the emails because the New York Times was about to release them, and he thought he could get out in front of the story.   It was a really desperate thing to do that apparently has backfired, because now, no one can claim it's fake news. 

Email to Trump Jr. in June 1996:
"This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump,"

And Trump Jr replied:
"If it's what you say I love it,"
And then he forwarded the email to Kushner and Manifort and invited them to the meeting, which they attended. 

So, whether we want to judge it malicious or dumb or whatever, there it is.   This is no longer fake news.  Whether the Russians actually helped Trump get elected or not, and why, and what they might have received in return, we don't know yet, but what we do know is, the top Trump campaign people were eager for Russian help, because getting those 3 guys into that meeting is no small thing in the middle of a campaign.  

So now we know, the Russians wanted to help, the intelligence agencies have all said that, and we also know the Trump campaign wanted their help.  Stay tuned.  This is not fake news.   It's real.

Yep, it's real. Because no one can resist good logical contortionism and multiple leaps to conclusion. 

Good gawd, you people should hear yourselves.

What have I said that is not true?   This isn't being filtered through the mainstream media.   It's in the emails that Trump Jr released himself, and it's in his followup statements.  

"This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump,"

And Trump Jr replied:
"If it's what you say I love it,"

And then he talked about releasing the damaging information later in the summer, and then he and Kushner and Manafort attended the meeting with what they thought was a Russian operative. 

There's no disputing those facts, because they come from Trump Jr himself.

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