(12-20-2019, 01:45 PM)mikesez Wrote:

(12-19-2019, 06:30 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: You both seriously need a civics lesson or two.

Pelosi holding on to the Articles and not sending them to the Senate immediately is further proof that this whole thing is a partisan political sham.  It's an obvious abuse of power.

I have mixed feelings about this whole thing.  On the one hand I am happy because it is bringing down the democrat party and only helps The President to get elected for a second term.  On the other hand it's a gross abuse of the impeachment process and sets an awful and dangerous precedence for the future.

There is no doubt in my mind that this certainly helps ensure another 4 years for President Trump.  I hope Pelosi keeps holding back sending it to The Senate as long as possible.  The longer she holds back, the more it exposes that it was a very weak and unfair impeachment.  I have faith that the majority of voters have the common sense to see this for what it is.

Pelosi holding on to the articles is nothing good.  She has no leverage.  The Senate is supposed to be independent of both the House and the President, so that they can be brought in to arbitrate this dispute between them that we call impeachment.  The Senate is not supposed to be signalling that they will acquit before investigating the charges.  They are supposed to consider what both teams of lawyers want.

I agree Pelosi is not playing her role exactly right, and I'm not sure how this helps her cause, but the Senate decided not to play theirs first.

Two weeks ago Marco Rubio was giving interviews saying that he would respect the process and not decide his vote until both sides had their say, and now Mitch and Lindsey have scared Marco into submission.  Meanwhile Rick Scott has not said anything at all.  One of these guys needs to stand up to McConnell and give a crap about how history will remember all of this.

Look Sonnie, your team has achieved all they can with this play. You should bank your gains and call it a day. Even Pelosi knows that letting this get onto the Senate floor will result in the entire impeachment being even more discredited than Schiff and Nadler already made it. At this point you have no chance of winning and barely a chance that it doesn't run the entire Democratic party out of any semblance of power in Washington next year. Quit while the moronic half of the public thinks you're ahead else they might come to their senses if you hold on a minute too long.

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