(12-27-2019, 10:36 AM)mikesez Wrote:

(12-27-2019, 02:08 AM)jj82284 Wrote: Notice how the left is pontificating about "caring" "feeling" etc.  

Rational people focus on standards of suspicion & probable cause.  

The man lost 7 billion dollars in aid money and enriched his family.  Did any of the opinion witnesses locate our 7 billion dollars?  Did the explain the path of the money from burisma through 4 countries to hunter biden?  Dud they explain why joe biden lied about the status of the investigation for the last half decade?  Did they call John Kerry's son to have him recount that he cut his business ties with biden because Burisma smelled so bad?  

The idea that the chief executive wouldn't be concerned about corruption that specifically targeted HIS campaign with propaganda and got his campaign manager thrown in jail is asinine.  

U dont care about an ambassador admitting in open court that she allowed Ukrainian election interference.  U dont care that fiona hill worked with Christopher steel.  U dont care that bill Taylor did work for NGO's funded by burisma.  You dont care that George Kent testified that he himself had to cancel planned projects with Burisma because of the appearance of a conflict of interest.  U dont care that it's part of the open record that ukrainian sources contributed to the propaganda used to spy on the trump campaign.  U dont care that the head of the nbu in ukrain was convicted of election interference (let off because of the statute of limitations) .  U dont care that the chief executive has a DUTY under a treaty with ukrain to report corruption.  

The only thing you care about is #orangemanbad

Which man? I have no idea what you're talking about in this paragraph.

Then You're not qualified to pretend to have an opinion on the subject.  

Ukrainians wanted Paul Manafort in jail.  This is not news.  A word of advice: if you ever decide to spend decades of your life living in other countries and running political campaigns that are designed to make one half of that country hate the other half, expect to make enemies! Make sure that every other aspect of your life is on the up and up! It's never a good idea to cheat on your taxes or embezzle money from mobsters, but especially don't cheat on your taxes or embezzle mobster funds when you have so many enemies in so many countries...

So when other countries FABRICATE EVIDENCE (black ledger) about a REPUBLICAN: hey that's just how the game is played!  Go big or go home!  When Republican wants the TRUTH about said fabrication: ABUSE OF POWER IMPEACH IMPEACH!!!

I have never understood why Trump supporters use the word "spy" so much. When the Patriots tried to get the Rams' play call signals, that was spying. The Rams were the Patriots' enemy.  The Patriots were using deceit and trickery to get information that the Rams did not want them to have. When the NFL went and investigated all of that, that was not spying. The refs are not the enemy. The league officials are not the enemy. Enforcing the rules is not spying.
Similarly, the FBI was not the Trump campaign's enemy. The other campaigns were. To the extent that the FBI gathered information from the Trump campaign, they did not share that information with the Clinton campaign or any other enemy of the Trump campaign.