(01-30-2020, 01:36 PM)mikesez Wrote:

(01-29-2020, 06:46 PM)Gabe Wrote: I didn't take it to mean that at all. 

If the claim is that the president's re-election is in the national interest, therefore doing whatever necessary to achieve said re-election (inferring that includes the solicitation of foreign assistance in doing so) isn't impeachable...that's a hell of a slippery slope. 

Am I not hearing the Dershword Salad with ranch correctly?

I read more of what Dershowitz said, and it sounds like you understood him correctly.  
He's wrong.  
The US Constitution can never work this way.

What if Obama had sent some FBI spooks to provoke riots in Republican heavy parts of swing atates, and then cracked down on those riots right before election day?
He would be allowed to do that, right? If he thinks his party winning the election is in the national interest?

Any Senator voting to acquit must publicly reject Dershowitz' argument or else forfeit their claim to be supporting and defending the Constitution.

...  I must be going insane.  

Alan Dershowitz said, "If the president has mixed motives, on the one hand to act in the national interest (meaning that the underlying use of official office is in and of itself in the national interest) but there also exists personal political interest (It might make my election chances better) then that's not a corrupt intent or an abuse of power."  

I've only been saying this for what... Two months now?  He's not saying that the fact the president faces Re-elect is exculpatory, he's saying that it ultimately irrelevant as long as the underlying official act is properly predicated.  As it relates to initiating an investigation, it is based SOLELY ON WETHER OR NOT A REASONABLE PERSON WOULD FIND THE FACT PATTERN SUFFICENT TO WARRANT FURTHER INQUIRY.  Pam Bondi laid out the case for it.  

Conversely, and most hypocritically, it is the Democrats that argue SOLELY BECAUSE JOE BIDEN IS RUNNING FOR OFFICE that he is granted defacto immunity from prosecution because suddenly he's a "political opponent" no matter what the underlying fact pattern is.  

The most delicious part of the whole thing is that with every passing day we learn more and more about the proven facts that Biden's former administration did in fact solicit foreign governments to investigate the Trump campaign SPECIFICALLY TO GET AROUND the standard of probable cause or reasonable suspicion and violate the constitutional rights of American Citizens.  We know that his party paid money to Russian and Ukrainian officials for false information used in the Steele Dossier.  They used active human sources to try and infiltrate the campaign.  We know that Jim Comey and the FBI lied about Michael Flynn's candor during his interview and we are now learning that they targeted his family members to coerce him into a guilty plea.  Paul Manafort was thrown in Jail based largely in part based on Ukrainian Propoganda and thrown in solitary to try and get him to flip on the president.  

But you want to sit there and pearl Clutch because the president of the United States paused aid for 6 weeks, never told his Ukrainian counterparts to exert leverage, and released the aid when lobbied by congressional republicans just because he mentioned the fact that Joe Biden committed extortion in plain sight?  Please.  

LIARS.  @#$* LIARS.  

I used to be a liberal.  The mental gymnastics required to keep such a twisted narrative going for the sake of #ORANGEMANBAD is just too much.  

Long and Short, theres reason to believe that Joe Biden is corrupt.  Him running for president doesn't change that.  #HATEONALANIFUWANTTO

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