To me it is really simple. BB5 possesses an upside. We have witnessed it. The Chenne does not. We have also witnessed that.

Have you seen Henne with this most recent Jags team? Blake doesn't have an upside.... it would have surfaced by now.

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It's going to suck when he hooks up with an Andy Reid/Haurbaugh type coach who can get the best out of their QBs and he goes on to be a better Alex Smith.

I don't think that will ever happen but if it did so what?  The Jags have shown they can't get Blake to improve!

i mean, gus bradley couldnt do it, and we all know his coaching ability.  We have new coaches so lets see what happens.  Seems to ke coughlin and marrone arent messing around

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Man, it's a tough pill to swallow but we have to go with Blake. With potential franchise QBs you have to look long and hard at them, through thick and thin.

For reasons I can't explain ... he is spazzing out and panicking instead of delivering footballs. Personally, I think the pressure is too great for the guy and would hope that, with a few games here and there and time on the field, he'd be able to put together some decent ball.

If it's just awful for 6 to 10 games, then sit the guy and we can ride things out until the draft and restart this thing, again. My biggest hope is that they can pick a guy (at that point) that is not a "let's get him in and let him develop under Chad" situation.

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You're Welcome.

Blake is +160 to Win the Job at the Sportsbook

Unreal hopefully they dont have inside info

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JAC JAGUARS STARTING QB WEEK 1 2017/18 RS WILL BE?
Blake Bortles ODDS
+160
500 USD NO PARLAY/BUY
Chad Henne
-190

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Its because they know what people on this board refuse to believe. Chad henne sucks

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Its because they know what people on this board refuse to believe. Chad henne sucks

and Bortles doesn't? What has he shown last year and this pre season to think he is the answer?

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My 2 cents, which is worth nothing. I'm just a fan. I'm not as football smart as many here. To me a 4 and 12 season is no better than a 2 and 14 season. We aren't moving the win needle by much regardless. The argument to me of starting either Bortles or Henne is a moot one. We will have a losing season regardless. I say start the kid, see what he does. Maybe he'll do well, if not, back to Henne. Cut Bortles before the 19 mill hit then look for a QB either in the draft or in free agency if a decent one comes available. Obviously, Bortles is a psychological drag on the team. If you keep playing him I think you can do lasting damage to the mental fitness of the team as a whole, not to mention the fan base. I think at this time any obvious change will be met as a positive indicating the management of the team is working on trying something new.

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Is Jim Drunkenmiller still available?

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If you think I offended you, don't worry, I meant to. #facts 
  
#iamlegend

My 2 cents, which is worth nothing. I'm just a fan. I'm not as football smart as many here.        **Emoticons added by HURRICANE!!! **

You may want to read through some of the threads prior to making the above assessment  .....  


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I have. The mental masturbation here as to which loser we should start at QB is amusing to me. As if any of our QB options are any good at the moment.

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Its because they know what people on this board refuse to believe. Chad henne sucks

and Bortles doesn't? What has he shown last year and this pre season to think he is the answer?

He's shown the ability to throw more touchdowns and the same amount of INTs as Henne. Seriously people need to look over Henne's stats he sucks. he's never played a full season he's only throw more touchdowns the INTs once and that was 2014 when he had a whopping 450+ yards in 3 games and 3 touchdowns to 1 INT.

I can at least understand people wanting Allen to start because we don't know what he is but we know what Henne is and it's worse then Bortles and it's not even close.

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A special "Thank You" goes out to Mark Lamping, Tom Coughlin and Doug Marrone for the continued mind games with Blake Bortles which ultimately could result in the demise of what otherwise would be a promising season. With a huge, huge match up with Carolina looking at Everbank this weekend, we have now resorted to even more mind games with Blake Bortles, making him take share snaps with Chad Henne and have created all sorts of unnecessary distractions. Lets discuss this recent turn of events and subsequent digression....

1) Week one: The message becomes loud and clear to Bortles...one incompletion = warning and two incompletions = benching. All Bortles did that game was lead his team to a win on the home turf of the defending champion Patriots, and gets benched after going 3/5 (60%) throwing the football. The subtle mind games begin. Absolutely  no reason not to come back to Bortles in the 4th quarter of this game to give him another chance. We had nothing going, did not score and were completely stagnant in the 4th quarter. So it's ok for Chad Henne to be stagnant in the 4th quarter of the game but not ok for Blake Bortles to throw only two incompletions? What a horrid, horrible message of inconsistency presented by management. Ex. "OK Leonard, it's ok for you to fumble cut Chris it's ok for you not to". Total crap.

2) Week two: In a highly spirited match up of Ponce De Leon Cup Rivals (throw the records out the window) Blake Bortles completes 6/10 (60%) passes, is yanked, and the Jaguars never recover. Whether it's Tom Brady, Peyton Manning or whomever, or Bart Starr, the great quarterbacks of our generation need time to get into a rhythm and flow, and Blake was not afforded this opportunity. We scored 8 points. Hey Marrone - this isn't baseball and Blake's not a pitcher. Put him back in! No consideration was given to this highly emotional game that saw the return of former Jaguar former 70th over all pick Bryan Anger suit up and play for our Tampa. This right here would throw anyone off their game, not to mention a quarterback who's confidence was shaken by the week before by game mismanagement by it's own team faulty leadership. On top of this, the play calls by Marrone to run play actions where there wasn't a running back can't be blamed on Bortles but for some reason are and let me guess, we are going to blame Bortles for the faulty goal line calls from the one yard line at the end of the game? While we are at it, should we blame Bortles for the market crash in 2008 and the Angolo  - Portuguese Crisis in 1889? Come on now. I don't mean to be that guy and be a conspiracy theorist, but all of this can only be construed as an attempt to draw attention away from the porous kicking by Jason Myers and managements inability to land a quality kicker when Josh Scobee is unsigned and readily available. 

So now where are we...well, to anyone who knows anything about football this is 100% an ownership generated quarterback controversy that was drawn to create publicity for the franchise. We don't need this or any more sort of distractions. Keep Bortles as the starter, let Henne hold on extra points or if you must play both, or be creative and find a way to get them both on the field at the same time. Either way though, the blame game must stop and lets move forward with Bortles. This is no way to coach, no way to teach and no way to treat a human being.


Note: The highly prestigious Ponce De Leon Cup is named in honor of Spanish Conquistador Juan Ponce De Leon who discovered the great state of Florida in 1513. The NFL team in Florida with the best record at the end of the regular NFL season (Thursdays game did not count or even matter so I'm not sure what the fuss about Bortles is) will be awarded the Ponce De Leon Cup.  It should be noted that the integrity of this award is very important, so incidents such as the Miami Dolphins bullying incidents of 2013-14 cannot and will not be tolerated and could/will lead to the expulsion from PDLC consideration.

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Leadership is completely at fault for what has happened to Bortles, but it all started in season 1.

Chad Henne sucked so badly that they were forced to abandon their plan in week 3 of sitting Bortles all year to learn. Who knows if sitting would have changed the finished product we see today, but I think BB5 played better when he had a "nothing to lose" attitude and could be himself. Once there was film on him and his mechanics eroded so badly, the writing was on the wall.

Now he is a guy who plays scared and can't play with the "gun slinger, short memory" mentality he had during his time of success.

The guy is finished on this team. Not saying he can't resurrect himself for another franchise, but he is done in Jax.

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Leadership is completely at fault for what has happened to Bortles, but it all started in season 1.

Chad Henne sucked so badly that they were forced to abandon their plan in week 3 of sitting Bortles all year to learn. Who knows if sitting would have changed the finished product we see today, but I think BB5 played better when he had a "nothing to lose" attitude and could be himself. Once there was film on him and his mechanics eroded so badly, the writing was on the wall.

Now he is a guy who plays scared and can't play with the "gun slinger, short memory" mentality he had during his time of success.

The guy is finished on this team. Not saying he can't resurrect himself for another franchise, but he is done in Jax.

I completely disagree. Confidence is often times ones best ally. There are all sorts of techniques management could try to get him back on track. The guy can play - just needs a supporting cast.

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Leadership is completely at fault for what has happened to Bortles, but it all started in season 1.

Chad Henne sucked so badly that they were forced to abandon their plan in week 3 of sitting Bortles all year to learn. Who knows if sitting would have changed the finished product we see today, but I think BB5 played better when he had a "nothing to lose" attitude and could be himself. Once there was film on him and his mechanics eroded so badly, the writing was on the wall.

Now he is a guy who plays scared and can't play with the "gun slinger, short memory" mentality he had during his time of success.

The guy is finished on this team. Not saying he can't resurrect himself for another franchise, but he is done in Jax.

I completely disagree. Confidence is often times ones best ally. There are all sorts of techniques management could try to get him back on track. The guy can play - just needs a supporting cast.

If this were year 2 I see your point, but there isn't enough time to get back on track and justify keeping him around for 19M. 

You can't teach confidence obviously, and with a backup breathing down his neck with no job security, it doesn't help matters.

I was all in on Bortles, but he is toast IMO.

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I completely disagree. Confidence is often times ones best ally. There are all sorts of techniques management could try to get him back on track. The guy can play - just needs a supporting cast.

If this were year 2 I see your point, but there isn't enough time to get back on track and justify keeping him around for 19M. 

You can't teach confidence obviously, and with a backup breathing down his neck with no job security, it doesn't help matters.

I was all in on Bortles, but he is toast IMO.

I guess we are going to have to respectfully agree to disagree. There are plenty of great sports psychologists that he could see in the local jacksonville area. 

https://therapists.psychologytoday.com/r...L&spec=597

I just say never give up - I believe in Bortles.

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If this were year 2 I see your point, but there isn't enough time to get back on track and justify keeping him around for 19M. 

You can't teach confidence obviously, and with a backup breathing down his neck with no job security, it doesn't help matters.

I was all in on Bortles, but he is toast IMO.

I guess we are going to have to respectfully agree to disagree. There are plenty of great sports psychologists that he could see in the local jacksonville area. 

https://therapists.psychologytoday.com/r...L&spec=597

I just say never give up - I believe in Bortles.

Yeah, I am just saying that this isn't going to happen in Jacksonville IMO. This is his 4th year and it is time to move on. I don't think the franchise should invest anymore time in him. I truly hope he can fix whatever his problem is. He is still young. He could be a backup to a good QB for a couple of years while he works on whatever his issues are.

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If u guys think throwing a qb as a starter to soon ruins them then they were never going to be good in the first place

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If u guys think throwing a qb as a starter to soon ruins them then they were never going to be good in the first place

Not saying that at all. Just saying it in BB's case who self proclaimed he wasn't a "natural thrower of the ball". 

At the end of the day, it was a bad pick considering how strong that draft was.

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