I'll be happy with either of them next year if Bortles fails. Mayfield won me over tonight. That kid can play. The team rallies around him.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Mayfield made my night with the OU flag. Love the kid.

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Mayfield and it's not even close. Jackson isn't even on my radar. He's a product of the system he plays in. QB's who run 20 times a game never succeed as signal callers in the NFL. I still Like Mason Rudolph the best though.

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Rosen is still my QB1.

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Mayfield and it's not even close. Jackson isn't even on my radar. He's a product of the system he plays in. QB's who run 20 times a game never succeed as signal callers in the NFL. I still Like Mason Rudolph the best though.

Mayfield is a product of a system too, Mayfield just isnt a NFL QB to me

Ever heard of Cam Newton, he's pretty good, Jackson is so much more accurate this year then he was last year you not even giving the guy a chance because he can run the ball too is silly, the kid can stand in the pocket and pass too, Jackson is gonna be a a 1st rounder, Mayfield is not a 1st round pick

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<B><FONT color=cyan>Jags this is your year</FONT></B>

Mayfield and it's not even close. Jackson isn't even on my radar. He's a product of the system he plays in. QBs who run 20 times a game never succeed as signal callers in the NFL. I still Like Mason Rudolph the best though.

Steve Young, Michael Vick, Randall Cunningham, Russell Wilson, Cam Newton . . . I am sure there are more who have run 20 times a game at some point in their careers.

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Unless Jackson gets hurt he's a top 10 lock already. Mayfield miiiight work his way to day 2, but he's probably an early day 3 guy as of right now.

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Mayfield and it's not even close. Jackson isn't even on my radar. He's a product of the system he plays in. QB's who run 20 times a game never succeed as signal callers in the NFL. I still Like Mason Rudolph the best though.

Mayfield is a product of a system too, Mayfield just isnt a NFL QB to me

Ever heard of Cam Newton, he's pretty good, Jackson is so much more accurate this year then he was last year you not even giving the guy a chance because he can run the ball too is silly, the kid can stand in the pocket and pass too, Jackson is gonna be a a 1st rounder, Mayfield is not a 1st round pick

I never said Mayfield was a first round pick. In fact, I specifically said in another post, I expect him to be taken in the 2nd. I still believe if he continues at this rate though, he'll be a very good pro though. 

As for Newton, lets look at him. 

He has never thrown under double digit INT's since entering the NFL.

He has a career completion percentage under 60%.

He had only one season where his QB rating was 90 or above.

Last year, he was one of the lowest ranked starting QB's in the NFL. 

Cam Newton is all hype. Running QB's come into the league, light it up for a season or two until opposing teams figure them out and it's all downhill from there. I want a pocket passer who can scan the field and find open receivers. This is "big boy" football. I am a firm believer that QB's throw and RB's run. Period. The only time a QB should ever run is when he is being chased out of the pocket.

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Mayfield is a product of a system too, Mayfield just isnt a NFL QB to me

Ever heard of Cam Newton, he's pretty good, Jackson is so much more accurate this year then he was last year you not even giving the guy a chance because he can run the ball too is silly, the kid can stand in the pocket and pass too, Jackson is gonna be a a 1st rounder, Mayfield is not a 1st round pick

I never said Mayfield was a first round pick. In fact, I specifically said in another post, I expect him to be taken in the 2nd. I still believe if he continues at this rate though, he'll be a very good pro though. 

As for Newton, lets look at him. 

He has never thrown under double digit INTs since entering the NFL.

He has a career completion percentage under 60%.

He had only one season where his QB rating was 90 or above.

Last year, he was one of the lowest ranked starting QBs in the NFL. 

Cam Newton is all hype. Running QBs come into the league, light it up for a season or two until opposing teams figure them out and it's all downhill from there. I want a pocket passer who can scan the field and find open receivers. This is "big boy" football. I am a firm believer that QBs throw and RBs run. Period. The only time a QB should ever run is when he is being chased out of the pocket.

How do you explain 4,000+ yards and 35 TDs in 2015 that earned him 48 NFL MVP votes? He was the only QB who threw for more yards than our guy Blake Bortles that year.

Also, Newton was drafted in 2011. That is a lot more than "a season or two."

Now look at two guys I named, Steve Young and Michael Vick. They had long careers as dual threat QBs.

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Rudolph or Rosen for me

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This was a good weekend, no doubt, for our future hopes at quarterback. If our team implodes this year (hopefully not), they will have a shot in round 1 at Rosen, Darnold or Rudolph. These 3 stand out to me as Tier 1 guys. Lamar Jackson is a possibility, but I'm just not sure yet despite his obvious talents.

If the Jaguars win just enough games to lose out on those 3, I see a couple other options which would be almost as good. Kirk Cousins is one possibility. He still has several years left and would obviously be a major upgrade over Bortles. I am also a Baker Mayfield fan. He has all the traits you are looking for in an NFL q.b. other than height. I would not hesitate to take im in the 2nd round. His leadership, decision-making and accuracy are as good as anyone in this draft class.

Luke Falk and Allen do very little for me. McSorley will probably remain in school unless PSU wins the national title and is accuracy yesterday was not good enough considering his slight stature.

As we get ready to watch the season opener, at least there is hope for the future. I'm still hoping that they get a win today and we see a different Bortles this year. If this unlikely thing happens, this board will be having a different debate prior to the next draft.

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Still Darnold for me. People keep talking about his INT's, but what about his completion percentage? He always throws for high numbers each game along with a 70% plus completion percentage. Jackson has less int's, but far less completion percentage. If you think about it, (aside from WR drops), wouldn't a lower completion percentage translate into more opportunities for INT's? Darnold was 21/26 against a supposedly good secondary. Just 5 incompletions, 2 which happened to be intercepted. It just so happens that he's been burned for his mistakes while others get away scott-free. Bottom line, INT's don't tell the whole story.

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Mayfield and it's not even close. Jackson isn't even on my radar. He's a product of the system he plays in. QBs who run 20 times a game never succeed as signal callers in the NFL. I still Like Mason Rudolph the best though.

Steve Young, Michael Vick, Randall Cunningham, Russell Wilson, Cam Newton . . . I am sure there are more who have run 20 times a game at some point in their careers.

Steve Young, Randall Cunningham and Russell Wilson all ran the ball an average of 10-12 times per game. Look it up. That's roughly half of what Jackson runs per game. Michael Vick was never a good NFL QB, on top of being a first class scumbag and I already stated my thoughts on Newton. We need real NFL prospects. Young guys who can stand in the pocket and throw while under pressure. Jameis Winston, David Carr and Kirk Cousins are fairly recently drafted QB's that are the types of guys I like. Pure passers.

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Steve Young, Michael Vick, Randall Cunningham, Russell Wilson, Cam Newton . . . I am sure there are more who have run 20 times a game at some point in their careers.

Steve Young, Randall Cunningham and Russell Wilson all ran the ball an average of 10-12 times per game. Look it up. That's roughly half of what Jackson runs per game. Michael Vick was never a good NFL QB, on top of being a first class scumbag and I already stated my thoughts on Newton. We need real NFL prospects. Young guys who can stand in the pocket and throw while under pressure. Jameis Winston, David Carr and Kirk Cousins are fairly recently drafted QB's that are the types of guys I like. Pure passers.

When Jackson is in the NFL he doesn't have to run 20 times.  He actually threw 39 times last night.  Petrino has a lot of NFL concepts in his scheme.  You're just bias and not looking at objectively.  I doubt you even watch him play.  He makes plenty of plays from the pocket and his ability to run just opens up things for the offense.  Jackson is not a run-first QB...dude is a weapon.  Teaming up Jackson and Fournette is a perfect match and we'll be a dynamic offense for many years to come.

And Michael Vick was never a good NFL QB? Lol OK.

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Steve Young, Randall Cunningham and Russell Wilson all ran the ball an average of 10-12 times per game. Look it up. That's roughly half of what Jackson runs per game. Michael Vick was never a good NFL QB, on top of being a first class scumbag and I already stated my thoughts on Newton. We need real NFL prospects. Young guys who can stand in the pocket and throw while under pressure. Jameis Winston, David Carr and Kirk Cousins are fairly recently drafted QB's that are the types of guys I like. Pure passers.

When Jackson is in the NFL he doesn't have to run 20 times.  He actually threw 39 times last night.  Petrino has a lot of NFL concepts in his scheme.  You're just bias and not looking at objectively.  I doubt you even watch him play.  He makes plenty of plays from the pocket and his ability to run just opens up things for the offense.  Jackson is not a run-first QB...dude is a weapon.  Teaming up Jackson and Fournette is a perfect match and we'll be a dynamic offense for many years to come.

And Michael Vick was never a good NFL QB? Lol OK.

Petrino's offense is so gimmicky it's ridiculous. That's why when he was given a chance to coach the Falcons, the team was last in the division and he was run out of the NFL. He gets athletic QB's for his college system who rely totally on physical abilities and no actual football instincts.

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Mayfield and it's not even close. Jackson isn't even on my radar. He's a product of the system he plays in. QB's who run 20 times a game never succeed as signal callers in the NFL. I still Like Mason Rudolph the best though.

You are aware that Rudolphs passing scheme is less advanced than Jacksons right? Jacksons passing offense is pretty similar to the one we saw the Chiefs use against the Pats. He's probably the most advanced QB in this class in terms of playing eye games with safeties. He's a more advanced passer mentally than everyone in the class at this point.

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I would disagree about Jackson not being a run first quarterback. He looks to run as often as possible. However, I think he is by far and away the best quarterback prospect in the draft. Easily worth a top 5 pick. He has arm talent better than even some of the most elite arms in the NFL. He makes extremely quick decisions in the passing game and has an extremely quick release. He is exceptionally accurate in the short to intermediate passing game. His deep ball accuracy is average, but improving. He has leg talent unrivaled since Michael Vick, and I think even better. He has the "it" factor that teammates gravitate and rally around. He will be a superstar in the NFL.

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When Jackson is in the NFL he doesn't have to run 20 times.  He actually threw 39 times last night.  Petrino has a lot of NFL concepts in his scheme.  You're just bias and not looking at objectively.  I doubt you even watch him play.  He makes plenty of plays from the pocket and his ability to run just opens up things for the offense.  Jackson is not a run-first QB...dude is a weapon.  Teaming up Jackson and Fournette is a perfect match and we'll be a dynamic offense for many years to come.

And Michael Vick was never a good NFL QB? Lol OK.

Petrino's offense is so gimmicky it's ridiculous. That's why when he was given a chance to coach the Falcons, the team was last in the division and he was run out of the NFL. He gets athletic QB's for his college system who rely totally on physical abilities and no actual football instincts.

Dude...Petrinos offense in the passing game is closer to whats used in the pros than Rudolph's , Mayfields , Darnolds etc etc.

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JagsFanJay once again showing he doesn't have a clue what he's talking about.

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I would disagree about Jackson not being a run first quarterback.  He looks to run as often as possible.  However, I think he is by far and away the best quarterback prospect in the draft.  Easily worth a top 5 pick.  He has arm talent better than even some of the most elite arms in the NFL.  He makes extremely quick decisions in the passing game and has an extremely quick release.  He is exceptionally accurate in the short to intermediate passing game.  His deep ball accuracy is average, but improving.  He has leg talent unrivaled since Michael Vick, and I think even better.  He has the "it" factor that teammates gravitate and rally around.  He will be a superstar in the NFL.

Yup. Agree completely. He has the arm, the brain and the IT factor. He's the real deal. Easily QB#1.

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Mayfield and it's not even close. Jackson isn't even on my radar. He's a product of the system he plays in. QB's who run 20 times a game never succeed as signal callers in the NFL. I still Like Mason Rudolph the best though.

You are aware that Rudolphs passing scheme is less advanced than Jacksons right? Jacksons passing offense is pretty similar to the one we saw the Chiefs use against the Pats. He's probably the most advanced QB in this class in terms of playing eye games with safeties. He's a more advanced passer mentally than everyone in the class at this point.

Thats a really good comparison, Chiefs offense is similar to Louisville, people forget Petrino was an NFL coach at one point

Would love Alex Smith for a year and Lamar Jackson to sit behind him

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<B><FONT color=cyan>Jags this is your year</FONT></B>

I never said Mayfield was a first round pick. In fact, I specifically said in another post, I expect him to be taken in the 2nd. I still believe if he continues at this rate though, he'll be a very good pro though. 

As for Newton, lets look at him. 

He has never thrown under double digit INTs since entering the NFL.

He has a career completion percentage under 60%.

He had only one season where his QB rating was 90 or above.

Last year, he was one of the lowest ranked starting QBs in the NFL. 

Cam Newton is all hype. Running QBs come into the league, light it up for a season or two until opposing teams figure them out and it's all downhill from there. I want a pocket passer who can scan the field and find open receivers. This is "big boy" football. I am a firm believer that QBs throw and RBs run. Period. The only time a QB should ever run is when he is being chased out of the pocket.

How do you explain 4,000+ yards and 35 TDs in 2015 that earned him 48 NFL MVP votes? He was the only QB who threw for more yards than our guy Blake Bortles that year.

Also, Newton was drafted in 2011. That is a lot more than "a season or two."

Now look at two guys I named, Steve Young and Michael Vick. They had long careers as dual threat QBs.

Steve Young was a pocket passer.  He was athletic, very athletic, but not a "dual threat" QB.  

Newton is a physical freak.  OTOH, Jackson is a heck of an athlete who is a level above his competition in that regard.  Won't be that way in the NFL.

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