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State of emergency declared in Alachua County for white supremacist

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On my way home from a medical appointment at UF Shands Hospital today, I saw barricades, armed security guards, and a live NBC news vehicle on campus. Traffic was bad for the 1:00 hour on a Wednesday. Museums are closed. Schools also will be closed tomorrow. People apparently are advised not to drive unless they have to. My dentist told patients when Mom was there all appointments for tomorrow are canceled. The total cost, which comes from taxpayers, is $500,000. All of this is for one of the white supremacists who protested in Charlottesville.

https://www.orlandoweekly.com/Blogs/arch...-uf-speech
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#2

I'm going to laugh when nothing happens. Like, at all.

I'll laugh harder if the chicken [BLEEP] little tool cancels at the last second.
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#3

It’s not Spencer who is causing the disruption, it’s the protesters. If they would ignore the pinhead no one would know he was speaking.
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(10-18-2017, 06:20 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: It’s not Spencer who is causing the disruption, it’s the protesters. If they would ignore the pinhead no one would know he was speaking.

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(10-18-2017, 06:21 PM)TJBender Wrote:
(10-18-2017, 06:20 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: It’s not Spencer who is causing the disruption, it’s the protesters. If they would ignore the pinhead no one would know he was speaking.

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Of course it is. The faux outrage is based on the results of the last election. This anticipated response is largely the result of butt hurt leftists attempting to associate the other side with the message this guy is spouting. Had Hillary won the election he would be given little mind by anybody.
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#6

It has nothing to do with political parties. This is about freedom of speech, which everyone agrees is a good thing, no matter who they are.
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(10-18-2017, 06:35 PM)JaguarsWoman Wrote: It has nothing to do with political parties. This is about freedom of speech, which everyone agrees is a good thing, no matter who they are.

Unless they're liberal. Or conservative.
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(10-18-2017, 06:27 PM)homebiscuit Wrote:
(10-18-2017, 06:21 PM)TJBender Wrote: [Image: tenor.gif]

Of course it is. The faux outrage is based on the results of the last election. This anticipated response is largely the result of butt hurt leftists attempting to associate the other side with the message this guy is spouting. Had Hillary won the election he would be given little mind by anybody.

I gotta agree with homebiscuit on this one. All these scumbags want is attention. People would never even know they still existed if they didn't have their little parades and rallies. People think when they show up to protest these these pieces of crap, that they are doing good, but in actuality, the racists thrive on the negative attention. They see themselves as some kind of twisted ant-heroes. If people just ignored them and no one showed up to protest their stupid demonstrations, maybe they'd get the message that they were insignificant and no one cares what they think. After all, they represent a very small fraction of fringe society.
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(10-18-2017, 06:38 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(10-18-2017, 06:27 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: Of course it is. The faux outrage is based on the results of the last election. This anticipated response is largely the result of butt hurt leftists attempting to associate the other side with the message this guy is spouting. Had Hillary won the election he would be given little mind by anybody.

I gotta agree with homebiscuit on this one. All these scumbags want is attention. People would never even know they still existed if they didn't have their little parades and rallies. People think when they show up to protest these these pieces of crap, that they are doing good, but in actuality, the racists thrive on the negative attention. They see themselves as some kind of twisted ant-heroes. If people just ignored them and no one showed up to protest their stupid demonstrations, maybe they'd get the message that they were insignificant and no one cares what they think. After all, they represent a very small fraction of fringe society.

That still has nothing to do with the election results and political parties.

Richard Spencer thought UF wanted to cancel his speech.
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(10-18-2017, 06:56 PM)JaguarsWoman Wrote:
(10-18-2017, 06:38 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: I gotta agree with homebiscuit on this one. All these scumbags want is attention. People would never even know they still existed if they didn't have their little parades and rallies. People think when they show up to protest these these pieces of crap, that they are doing good, but in actuality, the racists thrive on the negative attention. They see themselves as some kind of twisted ant-heroes. If people just ignored them and no one showed up to protest their stupid demonstrations, maybe they'd get the message that they were insignificant and no one cares what they think. After all, they represent a very small fraction of fringe society.

That still has nothing to do with the election results and political parties.

Richard Spencer thought UF wanted to cancel his speech.

Huh? What are you talking about? Are you having a different debate? Maybe you're in the wrong thread.
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(This post was last modified: 10-18-2017, 08:14 PM by JaguarsWoman.)

(10-18-2017, 07:06 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(10-18-2017, 06:56 PM)JaguarsWoman Wrote: That still has nothing to do with the election results and political parties.

Richard Spencer thought UF wanted to cancel his speech.

Huh? What are you talking about? Are you having a different debate? Maybe you're in the wrong thread.

I am talking about the president of the white supremacy group that protested in Charlottesville speaking at UF.

You see, protesters can be any political party. They are not protesting Democrats or Republicans. Both Democrats and Republicans are going to protest this idiot.
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(10-18-2017, 06:38 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(10-18-2017, 06:27 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: Of course it is. The faux outrage is based on the results of the last election. This anticipated response is largely the result of butt hurt leftists attempting to associate the other side with the message this guy is spouting. Had Hillary won the election he would be given little mind by anybody.

I gotta agree with homebiscuit on this one. All these scumbags want is attention. People would never even know they still existed if they didn't have their little parades and rallies. People think when they show up to protest these these pieces of crap, that they are doing good, but in actuality, the racists thrive on the negative attention. They see themselves as some kind of twisted ant-heroes. If people just ignored them and no one showed up to protest their stupid demonstrations, maybe they'd get the message that they were insignificant and no one cares what they think. After all, they represent a very small fraction of fringe society.

Yep, the haters thrive on hate. It's always been my belief that if people showed up to laugh and comically mock them, they wouldn't know how to react. It would be a glorious thing to behold but difficult to pull off. Emotions simply run too high.
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(10-18-2017, 08:21 PM)homebiscuit Wrote:
(10-18-2017, 06:38 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: I gotta agree with homebiscuit on this one. All these scumbags want is attention. People would never even know they still existed if they didn't have their little parades and rallies. People think when they show up to protest these these pieces of crap, that they are doing good, but in actuality, the racists thrive on the negative attention. They see themselves as some kind of twisted ant-heroes. If people just ignored them and no one showed up to protest their stupid demonstrations, maybe they'd get the message that they were insignificant and no one cares what they think. After all, they represent a very small fraction of fringe society.

Yep, the haters thrive on hate. It's always been my belief that if people showed up to laugh and comically mock them, they wouldn't know how to react. It would be a glorious thing to behold but difficult to pull off. Emotions simply run too high.

I found this article that explains why UF is required to allow a hate speech.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/flo...e4fe6bf6ed
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(10-18-2017, 08:32 PM)JaguarsWoman Wrote:
(10-18-2017, 08:21 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: Yep, the haters thrive on hate. It's always been my belief that if people showed up to laugh and comically mock them, they wouldn't know how to react. It would be a glorious thing to behold but difficult to pull off. Emotions simply run too high.

I found this article that explains why UF is required to allow a hate speech.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/flo...e4fe6bf6ed

We've reached peak irony when the head of the Democratic Socialists at UF is protesting Nazis.
“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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#15

I guarantee the racists wont be the ones starting the trouble. I don't know how many times we have to see these "peaceful" leftists come marching in, flipping tables, and talking about how the racists are the violent group. The media will eat it up, and people will continue to believe we have thousands Nazis walking unchecked through cities across America.

While I'm not surprised, the State of Emergency wasn't declared "for white supremacists". It was declared because of the not-so-peaceful counter protesters that are expected to be there. Spencer undoubtedly expects backlash, but let's not pretend that the it was declared because of him.
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#16

Maybe it is just because I live here, but I thought, "Why Gainesville?" There are government-funded universities all over the state. The answer appears to be he wanted a school that has 40 percent minority students.
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(10-18-2017, 06:07 PM)JaguarsWoman Wrote: On my way home from a medical appointment at UF Shands Hospital today, I saw barricades, armed security guards, and a live NBC news vehicle on campus. Traffic was bad for the 1:00 hour on a Wednesday. Museums are closed. Schools also will be closed tomorrow. People apparently are advised not to drive unless they have to. My dentist told patients when Mom was there all appointments for tomorrow are canceled. The total cost, which comes from taxpayers, is $500,000. All of this is for one of the white supremacists who protested in Charlottesville.

https://www.orlandoweekly.com/Blogs/arch...-uf-speech

You're wrong on three counts.

First, it's not the taxpayers footing the bill (directly) it's the University of Florida.  From one of the "articles" that you linked.
Quote:And according to the Supreme Court, it’s up to the university to pay for it. Deciding on a case in 1992, Justice Harry Blackmun laid out the legal doctrine known as the “heckler’s veto.”

Speech, Blackmun wrote, “cannot be financially burdened, any more than it can be punished or banned, simply because it might offend a hostile mob.” In other words, speech can’t be prohibited because of financial issues. In Spencer’s case, that means the University of Florida is stuck with the $500,000 in security costs.


Second, the extra security is not for the speaker, it's for the "protesters" that tend to spark violence and destruction just because they don't like or agree with what the speaker has to say.

Third and finally, he didn't "protest" in Charlottesville, he was a speaker at a white supremacist rally.


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(10-18-2017, 08:08 PM)JaguarsWoman Wrote:
(10-18-2017, 07:06 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: Huh? What are you talking about? Are you having a different debate? Maybe you're in the wrong thread.

I am talking about the president of the white supremacy group that protested in Charlottesville speaking at UF.

You see, protesters can be any political party. They are not protesting Democrats or Republicans. Both Democrats and Republicans are going to protest this idiot.

That's an entirely different conversation than the one we were having.
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(10-18-2017, 09:09 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: You're wrong on three counts.

First, it's not the taxpayers footing the bill (directly) it's the University of Florida.  From one of the "articles" that you linked.

Quote:And according to the Supreme Court, it’s up to the university to pay for it. Deciding on a case in 1992, Justice Harry Blackmun laid out the legal doctrine known as the “heckler’s veto.”

Speech, Blackmun wrote, “cannot be financially burdened, any more than it can be punished or banned, simply because it might offend a hostile mob.” In other words, speech can’t be prohibited because of financial issues. In Spencer’s case, that means the University of Florida is stuck with the $500,000 in security costs.

Second, the extra security is not for the speaker, it's for the "protesters" that tend to spark violence and destruction just because they don't like or agree with what the speaker has to say.

Third and finally, he didn't "protest" in Charlottesville, he was a speaker at a white supremacist rally.

The university is funded by the state, so I guess indirectly it is from tax dollars. Initially Mom just told me it will be paid for by tax payers, but later she said UF is the direct payer.

It is crazy so much money has to be spent on security for a one-day event.
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(10-18-2017, 09:09 PM)jagibelieve Wrote:
(10-18-2017, 06:07 PM)JaguarsWoman Wrote: On my way home from a medical appointment at UF Shands Hospital today, I saw barricades, armed security guards, and a live NBC news vehicle on campus. Traffic was bad for the 1:00 hour on a Wednesday. Museums are closed. Schools also will be closed tomorrow. People apparently are advised not to drive unless they have to. My dentist told patients when Mom was there all appointments for tomorrow are canceled. The total cost, which comes from taxpayers, is $500,000. All of this is for one of the white supremacists who protested in Charlottesville.

https://www.orlandoweekly.com/Blogs/arch...-uf-speech

You're wrong on three counts.

First, it's not the taxpayers footing the bill (directly) it's the University of Florida.  From one of the "articles" that you linked.
Quote:And according to the Supreme Court, it’s up to the university to pay for it. Deciding on a case in 1992, Justice Harry Blackmun laid out the legal doctrine known as the “heckler’s veto.”

Speech, Blackmun wrote, “cannot be financially burdened, any more than it can be punished or banned, simply because it might offend a hostile mob.” In other words, speech can’t be prohibited because of financial issues. In Spencer’s case, that means the University of Florida is stuck with the $500,000 in security costs.


Second, the extra security is not for the speaker, it's for the "protesters" that tend to spark violence and destruction just because they don't like or agree with what the speaker has to say.

Third and finally, he didn't "protest" in Charlottesville, he was a speaker at a white supremacist rally.

The Charlottesville Rally was to protest the removal of Rebel statues, Antifa, et al were counter protesting.
“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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