Once again, the Oline has been a top 10 unit this year even with injuries.

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Dude... you completely ignore the awful inaccuracy and INTs and put all the blame solely everywhere else.
Yeah drops kill a QBs stats... but every QB deals with issues.
The best ones overcome them.

Bortles is great, until he's down 2 scores and we need him to make something happen. Then he's downright terrible.
The less pressure on him, the looser he plays. But he cracks under pressure.

Last year YOU and all the pundits said that Bortles was only good in garbage time. Once again, I tried to educate you and tell you HOW WOULD YOU KNOW when their scoring defense for 4 years straight was #26-#32? ALL OF THE JAGS GAMES WERE GARBAGE TIME.

This year, Bortles is playing BETTER with the lead than he is without the lead. What excuse do you have now? Nothing.

As much flak as you get, this is actually a good point. Everyone claimed that his stats were exclusively from garbage time, but now they're saying he can't perform in garbage time. It's a big inconsistency.

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Last year YOU and all the pundits said that Bortles was only good in garbage time. Once again, I tried to educate you and tell you HOW WOULD YOU KNOW when their scoring defense for 4 years straight was #26-#32? ALL OF THE JAGS GAMES WERE GARBAGE TIME.

This year, Bortles is playing BETTER with the lead than he is without the lead. What excuse do you have now? Nothing.

As much flak as you get, this is actually a good point. Everyone claimed that his stats were exclusively from garbage time, but now they're saying he can't perform in garbage time. It's a big inconsistency.

You can't be serious with this, right? 
(edit: in retrospect - I don't remember you posting much during that span of time - so maybe you just missed most of that)

There were so many threads arguing the difference between "garbage time" and simply "playing from behind on the scoreboard" I would literally cut and paste my standard rebuke of the garbage time myth.  There were dozens more that agreed with me or posted similar rebuttals to that crap. Only the laziest in their "analysis" ran with the "it was all garbage time" narrative.

His problems and his stats weren't about the score. They were about inaccuracy, poor fundamentals, and general inconsistency.
Just as they are now - only currently to a lesser degree.

I mean, is it that hard for people to just accept that a young QB simply improved over time with better coaching? Plus the aid of a run game to ease the burden and a #1 defense to give him the ball back when he (or the offense in general) blows it?

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As much flak as you get, this is actually a good point. Everyone claimed that his stats were exclusively from garbage time, but now they're saying he can't perform in garbage time. It's a big inconsistency.

You can't be serious with this, right? 
(edit: in retrospect - I don't remember you posting much during that span of time - so maybe you just missed most of that)

There were so many threads arguing the difference between "garbage time" and simply "playing from behind on the scoreboard" I would literally cut and paste my standard rebuke of the garbage time myth.  There were dozens more that agreed with me or posted similar rebuttals to that crap. Only the laziest in their "analysis" ran with the "it was all garbage time" narrative.

His problems and his stats weren't about the score.  They were about inaccuracy, poor fundamentals, and general inconsistency.
Just as they are now - only currently to a lesser degree.  

I mean, is it that hard for people to just accept that a young QB simply improved over time with better coaching? Plus the aid of a run game to ease the burden and a #1 defense to give him the ball back when he (or the offense in general) blows it?

Maybe you're taking me literally, and it appears that I said it that way. I know there were many conversations discussing this issue. When I said everyone, I meant that a lot of his detractors used his inflated yardage and said it was "garbage time" stats. I should be more clear, but my comment was directed toward the crowd of people strictly under the belief that he mainly produced during "garbage time", and his production should not be used as a reason to defend his performance since it was "garbage time".

In other words, I said everyone when I didn't mean to say everyone.

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I'd hate to see what you consider a crappy offensive line. At least you didn't pretend Lewis is an athletic TE, so we are getting somewhere...

Tell me dearest StroudCrowd, which metrics do you use to judge offensive line play? Particularly of lines you haven't seen play much of?

I don't know if you've ever watched a GOOD o line play like Cowboys but they OPEN HOLES.

Lenoard Fournette was the #1 high school player in America and #1 college RB in the country.

With this o line, Fournette is a plodder at below 4 ypc and without a few long runs Fournette made happen on his own, Fournette's ypc is among the worst in the entire league.

No.....the Jags o line is still terrible. They have improved since Cam Robinson replaced Joeckel but they are still terrible. 


OL needs 3-4 more good bodies in offseason.

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Tell me dearest StroudCrowd, which metrics do you use to judge offensive line play? Particularly of lines you haven't seen play much of?

I don't know if you've ever watched a GOOD o line play like Cowboys but they OPEN HOLES.

Lenoard Fournette was the #1 high school player in America and #1 college RB in the country.

With this o line, Fournette is a plodder at 3.5 ypc and without a few long runs Fournette made happen on his own, Fournette's ypc is among the worst in the entire league.

No.....the Jags o line is still terrible. They have improved since Cam Robinson replaced Joeckel but they are still terrible. 


OL needs 3-4 more good bodies in offseason.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?r...E&tabSeq=2

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Jaguars Fundamentalist

Tell me dearest StroudCrowd, which metrics do you use to judge offensive line play? Particularly of lines you haven't seen play much of?

Fournette's ypc is among the worst in the entire league.

Fournette's 3.9 YPC is the same as Melvin Gordon, Carlos Hyde, and Latavius Murray. 

It's better than the avg's of Frank Gore, McCaffery, Lamar Miller, DeMarco Murray, and Adrian Peterson.

His production was fine given the bad ankle and the line opened holes for him well at times. Just not very consistently.
They'll certainly look to upgrade one or two spots on the line, but it's nowhere as bad as you attempt to suggest. 

I bet the Jags rush for 160+ on Sunday vs the bills.

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Fournette's ypc is among the worst in the entire league.

Fournette's 3.9 YPC is the same as Melvin Gordon, Carlos Hyde, and Latavius Murray. 

It's better than the avg's of Frank Gore, McCaffery, Lamar Miller, DeMarco Murray, and Adrian Peterson.

His production was fine given the bad ankle and the line opened holes for him well at times. Just not very consistently.
They'll certainly look to upgrade one or two spots on the line, but it's nowhere as bad as you attempt to suggest. 

I bet the Jags rush for 160+ on Sunday vs the bills.

160! My man!

I hope you’re right.

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Fournette's 3.9 YPC is the same as Melvin Gordon, Carlos Hyde, and Latavius Murray. 

It's better than the avg's of Frank Gore, McCaffery, Lamar Miller, DeMarco Murray, and Adrian Peterson.

His production was fine given the bad ankle and the line opened holes for him well at times. Just not very consistently.
They'll certainly look to upgrade one or two spots on the line, but it's nowhere as bad as you attempt to suggest. 

I bet the Jags rush for 160+ on Sunday vs the bills.

160! My man!

I hope you’re right.

The patriots rushed for nearly 180 on them two weeks ago. It's do-able.

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160! My man!

I hope you’re right.

The patriots rushed for nearly 180 on them two weeks ago. It's do-able.

I definitely agree it’s do-able.

I think Fournette has been playing is safe for a while but he’s ready to get after it Sunday.

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Dude... you completely ignore the awful inaccuracy and INTs and put all the blame solely everywhere else.
Yeah drops kill a QBs stats... but every QB deals with issues.
The best ones overcome them.

Bortles is great, until he's down 2 scores and we need him to make something happen. Then he's downright terrible.
The less pressure on him, the looser he plays. But he cracks under pressure.

Last year YOU and all the pundits said that Bortles was only good in garbage time. Once again, I tried to educate you and tell you HOW WOULD YOU KNOW when their scoring defense for 4 years straight was #26-#32? ALL OF THE JAGS GAMES WERE GARBAGE TIME.

NOPE.
I was a big Bortles supporter the entirety of last year.
Lies. You're good at them.

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Tell me dearest StroudCrowd, which metrics do you use to judge offensive line play? Particularly of lines you haven't seen play much of?

I don't know if you've ever watched a GOOD o line play like Cowboys but they OPEN HOLES.

Lenoard Fournette was the #1 high school player in America and #1 college RB in the country.

With this o line, Fournette is a plodder at below 4 ypc and without a few long runs Fournette made happen on his own, Fournette's ypc is among the worst in the entire league.

No.....the Jags o line is still terrible. They have improved since Cam Robinson replaced Joeckel but they are still terrible. 


OL needs 3-4 more good bodies in offseason.

The Oline has been terrific in pass protection (well, except when maybe Wells plays). 

I forget which TV announcer mentioned it. But, during a game recently, he was talking about how few sacks the Jags have given up and remarking about Bortles having time.

I do recall quite a few games thus season where BB was barely even touched the whole game. 

The Oline may struggle with a run game  (I don't think it's near as bad as what you claim),, but they've been great at protection.

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It would appear that Spacecoast did not actually watch Fournette's two long runs or hopes that everyone else forgot in order to twist his narrative, because Fournette had gigantic holes on both...

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Honest Q. How do you expect an offensive line to perform in the run game when it faces more 8 men boxes than anyone else?

To me getting consistent positive yards and giving the backs breathing room is a sign of a good line. In 2017 the Jags rank top 3 in % of positive yards, top 10 in yards before tackle point, and top 5 in yards per carry Vs 8 men boxes. Also ran for more yards than anyone else per game.

That's the sign of a top 10 run blocking line. Sure there have been ugly games , particularly with injuries and Fournettes ankle but over the course of the whole year it's been elite.

And I still think we could do with one or two new starters next year.

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As much flak as you get, this is actually a good point. Everyone claimed that his stats were exclusively from garbage time, but now they're saying he can't perform in garbage time. It's a big inconsistency.

You can't be serious with this, right? 
(edit: in retrospect - I don't remember you posting much during that span of time - so maybe you just missed most of that)

There were so many threads arguing the difference between "garbage time" and simply "playing from behind on the scoreboard" I would literally cut and paste my standard rebuke of the garbage time myth.  There were dozens more that agreed with me or posted similar rebuttals to that crap. Only the laziest in their "analysis" ran with the "it was all garbage time" narrative.

His problems and his stats weren't about the score.  They were about inaccuracy, poor fundamentals, and general inconsistency.
Just as they are now - only currently to a lesser degree.  

I mean, is it that hard for people to just accept that a young QB simply improved over time with better coaching? Plus the aid of a run game to ease the burden and a #1 defense to give him the ball back when he (or the offense in general) blows it?

I had never seen as many fluke ints as I did last season with the Jags. I recall 2 that bounced off of the foot of another player. I also remember many of them being tipped as well.

It was like something from another world.

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What lies behind us, and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.







 

It would appear that Spacecoast did not actually watch Fournette's two long runs or hopes that everyone else forgot in order to twist his narrative, because Fournette had gigantic holes on both...

Two holes all season for the best RB in college football? Not impressed. Watch Ezekiel Elliott and you'll see what a hole is.

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It would appear that Spacecoast did not actually watch Fournette's two long runs or hopes that everyone else forgot in order to twist his narrative, because Fournette had gigantic holes on both...

Two holes all season for the best RB in college football? Not impressed. Watch Ezekiel Elliott and you'll see what a hole is.

We don't need to look at an NFL player, we just look at you.

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What lies behind us, and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.







 

Two holes all season for the best RB in college football? Not impressed. Watch Ezekiel Elliott and you'll see what a hole is.

We don't need to look at an NFL player, we just look at you.

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It would appear that Spacecoast did not actually watch Fournette's two long runs or hopes that everyone else forgot in order to twist his narrative, because Fournette had gigantic holes on both...

Two holes all season for the best RB in college football? Not impressed. Watch Ezekiel Elliott and you'll see what a hole is.

I mean Zeke is pretty good at digging himself a hole.

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