(12-12-2017, 12:38 AM)JackCity Wrote:

(12-11-2017, 03:37 PM)Kane Wrote: Nah, I never said that. I'm all about upgrading. Not anything that would be a lateral movement or temporary upgrade.


I'd compare him to ANY "franchise" QB. If that's what he is. Can he elevate the play of others around him. Can he make up for deficiencies in the team?
Franchise guys bring your TEAM to another level.
Brees does it.
Brady does it.
ARod, Manning....
Bortles is a starting QB in the league no doubt. But we should now raise the bar. We should WANT greatness.

Ehhh no, their OL is always banged up and injured. My boss is a die hard GB fan... I hear about it all the time. Arod makes him money being a mobile QB that can throw on the run, he's made a career of it and it isn't on designed runs. Also GB (outside of like 1 or 2 seasons) has had pretty terrible defenses too.

You said it's been subpar his whole career. When it's mostly been very good his whole career. For instance 2014/2015/2016 it was elite. 2013 not great. 2012 not great , 2011 elite, 2010 elite etc etc
Offensive line play has been one of the hallmarks of Mike McCarthy at Green bay.

Wow... what an idiot my boss is. He has no clue his team has had an elite offensive line most of Rodgers career lol 2016 Ranks: Neg. Runs – 15th / YPC – 8th / Sacks – 13th / QB Hits – 7th , elite?
ELITE?
Even though they were ranked like middle of the road in rushing and sacks allowed most of the years you listed. And Rodgers makes them look better in passing numbers due to his ability to avoid the rush and move and make plays down field, much like Wilson does with his fairly awful OL this year.

But whatever... we're really arguing semantics when the point is. The best QBs make those around them better. Manning made Collie and Garcon star WRs. Rodgers disguised the lack of protection and the lack of run game for a lot of his career. Wilson covers up his OL problems and makes up for his defense being battered and beaten right now (Remember, they almost came back in spite of 3 INTs)
I'm not even saying Bortles should = Brady, I mean... that's a tall order for any QB. But he should be OUR Brady... OUR Manning... Not some guy you kinda think has it clicking only to let you down after getting that big pay day. And leaves you scrambling after 2 solid seasons sandwiched between trash.

Like I've said over and over, I'm glad Bortles is becoming better like many of us had hoped he would, especially those of us that were arguing with many of you in years prior saying "give him time".
I don't hold much about the first couple seasons against Bortles. I expected him to play better this season and it took him awhile to start coming around.
But the truth is... we still don't know if Bortles has the stuff to bring this team back from certain defeat. And don't tell me many QBs can't do that. We see it all the time in the NFL. Perhaps he continues to get better and better. 
Perhaps it's all moot when the season is all said and done and he lights it up in the playoffs with a comeback victory on the way to the yadda yadda...
Maybe...
But I'm not gonna feel bad about being hesitant in crowning Bortles as quickly as everyone else.

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