Tom Brady?

Dak Prescott?

Drew Brees?

Russell Wilson?

Maybe even Lamar Jackson.....?



There are some interesting observations made in this article (Primarily in relation to Lamar Jackson) highlighting the "old fashioned" GM's around the league who are fixated on "the look".

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

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Lol, horrible article. What does white have anything to do with it? Cam Newton and Jamarcus Russell, tall and black, went 1st overall. A few years ago the top 2 picks where black QBs. Vince Young top 3 pick was great wasnt he? RG3 went number 2 right behind Luck who the Redskins made the mistake and gave up the farm for. Teddy was touted as the best prospect since Luck and the next Brady, Manning, and Montana by the same talking heads. But in reality every team that passed on him was right about his build, the thing that scared most teams away other than he wasn't a very good QB. We heard the same stuff on all the teams that passed on Geno, tried to throw the racist card out there, teams passing on him had nothing to do with him not being very good lol. I could of sworn Vick went 1st overall in 01? In the 70s or 80s probably, but this guy is living in the past. The guy that wrote this article doesn't have a clue. Teams look at size for their QBs because most of them have the best arm strength and when you look at the all time greats most of them are 6'4 or taller, its really common sense. I agree that some teams look at size and arm strength more than they should but it because its what most of the all time greats had and they are trying to find another.

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Lol, horrible article.  What does white have anything to do with it?  Cam Newton and Jamarcus Russell, tall and black, went 1st overall. A few years ago the top 2 picks where black QBs.  Vince Young top 3 pick was great wasnt he?  RG3 went number 2 right behind Luck who the Redskins made the mistake and gave up the farm for.  Teddy was touted as the best prospect since Luck and the next Brady, Manning, and Montana by the same talking heads.  But in reality every team that passed on him was right about his build, the thing that scared most teams away other than he wasn't a very good QB.  We heard the same stuff on all the teams that passed on Geno, tried to throw the racist card out there, teams passing on him had nothing to do with him not being very good lol.  I could of sworn Vick went 1st overall in 01?  In the 70s or 80s probably, but this guy is living in the past.  The guy that wrote this article doesn't have a clue.  Teams look at size for their QBs because most of them have the best arm strength and when you look at the all time greats most of them are 6'4 or taller, its really common sense.  I agree that some teams look at size and arm strength more than they should but it because its what most of the all time greats had and they are trying to find another.

Without getting too deep. I don't think American football is a colour-blind sport. There's pretty clear racial stereotypes involved in position selection and some of this starts extremely young in an athletes career.  

To me there can be a noticeable difference in how some black QBs are talked about vs white QBs by some analysts. For instance , Winston being called a "dual threat". Watson being called "immature" and "not smart enough to learn a playbook". Just look at the discourse of Manziel vs Lamar Jackson.    

Of course there's tons of other factors that go into those discussions like height, size, arm etc etc but I think it would be naive to say race is never a factor in the NFL. Most of it is subconscious too imo.

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Lol, horrible article.  What does white have anything to do with it?  Cam Newton and Jamarcus Russell, tall and black, went 1st overall. A few years ago the top 2 picks where black QBs.  Vince Young top 3 pick was great wasnt he?  RG3 went number 2 right behind Luck who the Redskins made the mistake and gave up the farm for.  Teddy was touted as the best prospect since Luck and the next Brady, Manning, and Montana by the same talking heads.  But in reality every team that passed on him was right about his build, the thing that scared most teams away other than he wasn't a very good QB.  We heard the same stuff on all the teams that passed on Geno, tried to throw the racist card out there, teams passing on him had nothing to do with him not being very good lol.  I could of sworn Vick went 1st overall in 01?  In the 70s or 80s probably, but this guy is living in the past.  The guy that wrote this article doesn't have a clue.  Teams look at size for their QBs because most of them have the best arm strength and when you look at the all time greats most of them are 6'4 or taller, its really common sense.  I agree that some teams look at size and arm strength more than they should but it because its what most of the all time greats had and they are trying to find another.

Without getting too deep. I don't think American football is a colour-blind sport. There's pretty clear racial stereotypes involved in position selection and some of this starts extremely young in an athletes career.  

To me there can be a noticeable difference in how some black QBs are talked about vs white QBs by some analysts. For instance , Winston being called a "dual threat". Watson being called "immature" and "not smart enough to learn a playbook". Just look at the discourse of Manziel vs Lamar Jackson.    

Of course there's tons of other factors that go into those discussions like height, size, arm etc etc but I think it would be naive to say race is never a factor in the NFL. Most of it is subconscious too imo.

Oh I'm sure there are a few, and that's with everything.  Racism will never go away 100% and that goes both ways.  But to act like it's some huge issue now days is a joke.  I remember more criticism for Manziel than I'm hearing for Jackson.  Where is all this horrible talk from the media about Jackson coming from?   Should of seen what the media said about Tebow when he was out there balling, taking over a 1-4 team to the playoffs and beating Pitt. in the playoffs.  Tebow got shaffted, and the media ruined his career, what about that?

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Without getting too deep. I don't think American football is a colour-blind sport. There's pretty clear racial stereotypes involved in position selection and some of this starts extremely young in an athletes career.  

To me there can be a noticeable difference in how some black QBs are talked about vs white QBs by some analysts. For instance , Winston being called a "dual threat". Watson being called "immature" and "not smart enough to learn a playbook". Just look at the discourse of Manziel vs Lamar Jackson.    

Of course there's tons of other factors that go into those discussions like height, size, arm etc etc but I think it would be naive to say race is never a factor in the NFL. Most of it is subconscious too imo.

Oh I'm sure there are a few, and that's with everything.  Racism will never go away 100% and that goes both ways.  But to act like it's some huge issue now days is a joke.  I remember more criticism for Manziel than I'm hearing for Jackson.  Where is all this horrible talk from the media about Jackson coming from?   Should of seen what the media said about Tebow when he was out there balling, taking over a 1-4 team to the playoffs and beating Pitt. in the playoffs.  Tebow got shaffted, and the media ruined his career, what about that?

Definitely not. Manziel got a ton of praise where as Lamar is being talked about as if he has to change postion to play in the NFL.  

Tebow's not in the league because he's not a good NFL QB at all. His best year in the league he completed 46% of his passes. He doesn't have good enough arm, very inaccurate, has awful mechanics, can't read a defense and is all around just a bad NFL QB.  I think you may be a little biased here...

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Oh I'm sure there are a few, and that's with everything.  Racism will never go away 100% and that goes both ways.  But to act like it's some huge issue now days is a joke.  I remember more criticism for Manziel than I'm hearing for Jackson.  Where is all this horrible talk from the media about Jackson coming from?   Should of seen what the media said about Tebow when he was out there balling, taking over a 1-4 team to the playoffs and beating Pitt. in the playoffs.  Tebow got shaffted, and the media ruined his career, what about that?

Definitely not. Manziel got a ton of praise where as Lamar is being talked about as if he has to change postion to play in the NFL.  

Tebow's not in the league because he's not a good NFL QB at all. His best year in the league he completed 46% of his passes. He doesn't have good enough arm, very inaccurate, has awful mechanics, can't read a defense and is all around just a bad NFL QB.  I think you may be a little biased here...

Links?

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Definitely not. Manziel got a ton of praise where as Lamar is being talked about as if he has to change postion to play in the NFL.  

Tebow's not in the league because he's not a good NFL QB at all. His best year in the league he completed 46% of his passes. He doesn't have good enough arm, very inaccurate, has awful mechanics, can't read a defense and is all around just a bad NFL QB.  I think you may be a little biased here...

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Google is free. 

Also LMFAO at you comparing Tim Tebow to Hall of famer John Elway. Especially when you consider Elway's stats are from the 1980's. Damn thats funny.

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I didn't know you were one of those Tebow nuts.

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Links?

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Google is free. 

Also LMFAO at you comparing Tim Tebow to Hall of famer John Elway. Especially when you consider Elway's stats are from the 1980's. Damn thats funny.

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I didn't know you were one of those Tebow nuts.

I did use google, couldnt find all this bashing you name of.

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Google is free. 

Also LMFAO at you comparing Tim Tebow to Hall of famer John Elway. Especially when you consider Elway's stats are from the 1980's. Damn thats funny.

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I didn't know you were one of those Tebow nuts.

I did use google, couldnt find all this bashing you name of.

Type in  Lamar Jackson Wr and you'll find a plethora of links to search. Mostly by the old talking heads, same guys who tend to like Josh Allen types interestingly enough.  

Do you seriously think Tebow is a good QB?

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I did use google, couldnt find all this bashing you name of.

Type in  Lamar Jackson Wr and you'll find a plethora of links to search. Mostly by the old talking heads, same guys who tend to like Josh Allen types interestingly enough.  

Do you seriously think Tebow is a good QB?

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/tracker?ic...y-position

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/pros...rterbacks/

On nfl.com and cbs.com Jackson is rated as the number 2 QB.  Oh the hate, give me a break.  Should they put the guy on a throne and give him a crown?  There are tons of question marks with Jackson whether you want to believe it or not.  The guy is overrated on almost every board I have seen. Tebow is twice the QB as Jackson is, was, or ever will be. Tebow will run over defenders and put defenders on IR and Jackson will be on IR his first season starting

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Type in  Lamar Jackson Wr and you'll find a plethora of links to search. Mostly by the old talking heads, same guys who tend to like Josh Allen types interestingly enough.  

Do you seriously think Tebow is a good QB?

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/tracker?ic...y-position

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/pros...rterbacks/

On nfl.com and cbs.com Jackson is rated as the number 2 QB.  Oh the hate, give me a break.  Should they put the guy on a throne and give him a crown?  There are tons of question marks with Jackson whether you want to believe it or not.  The guy is overrated on almost every board I have seen.

Yep they are good rankings. More so talking about the old talking heads.  

Question marks that are pertinent for Lamar are fine. For instance there are legit problems with his mechanics and base when throwing that hurt his accuracy a lot. Thats a big concern. going forward but thankfully quite correctable.
Critiques about his mental prowess and inability to play in an NFL scheme don't have much merit to them. Issues with his size don't have much merit to them. 
Overall he's a very good QB prospect, probably has the highest upside this year. Anyone saying he needs to play WR are way off.

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http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/tracker?ic...y-position

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/pros...rterbacks/

On nfl.com and cbs.com Jackson is rated as the number 2 QB.  Oh the hate, give me a break.  Should they put the guy on a throne and give him a crown?  There are tons of question marks with Jackson whether you want to believe it or not.  The guy is overrated on almost every board I have seen.

Yep they are good rankings. More so talking about the old talking heads.  

Question marks that are pertinent for Lamar are fine. For instance there are legit problems with his mechanics and base when throwing that hurt his accuracy a lot. Thats a big concern. going forward but thankfully quite correctable.
Critiques about his mental prowess and inability to play in an NFL scheme don't have much merit to them. Issues with his size don't have much merit to them. 
Overall he's a very good QB prospect, probably has the highest upside this year. Anyone saying he needs to play WR are way off.

Who did that?  Questions on his inability to play in an NFL scheme are legit questions.  You have people that posts from Jackson lovers of a few plays of him going throw a few reads or under center and all of a sudden the guy is ready.  You can find a few plays for any of the QBs.  Watch his games, huge question marks as is his build for a running QB. Who are the old talking heads you keep speaking of? You keep saying the same thing and have no proof or named any names

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Tom Brady?

Dak Prescott?

Drew Brees?

Russell Wilson?

Maybe even Lamar Jackson.....?



There are some interesting observations made in this article (Primarily in relation to Lamar Jackson) highlighting the "old fashioned" GM's around the league who are fixated on "the look".

Link

Certainly.
Maybe.
Of course.
Probably.
No.

Color has absolutely NOTHING to do with it. I was a huge fan of Warren Moon. The guy knew how to stand in the pocket, find his receivers and deliver strikes. That's the kind of QB I want for this team.

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Warren Moon, Tony Romo, Kurt Warner?

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Yep they are good rankings. More so talking about the old talking heads.  

Question marks that are pertinent for Lamar are fine. For instance there are legit problems with his mechanics and base when throwing that hurt his accuracy a lot. Thats a big concern. going forward but thankfully quite correctable.
Critiques about his mental prowess and inability to play in an NFL scheme don't have much merit to them. Issues with his size don't have much merit to them. 
Overall he's a very good QB prospect, probably has the highest upside this year. Anyone saying he needs to play WR are way off.

Who did that?  Questions on his inability to play in an NFL scheme are legit questions.  You have people that posts from Jackson lovers of a few plays of him going throw a few reads or under center and all of a sudden the guy is ready.  You can find a few plays for any of the QBs.  Watch his games, huge question marks as is his build for a running QB.  Who are the old talking heads you keep speaking of?  You keep saying the same thing and have no proof or named any names

Petrino's scheme has more NFL concepts than 90% of college schemes. He's notoriously tough on his Qbs too. If you watch Lamar you can see tons of examples of NFL type throws and reads. More so than most college Qbs entering the NFL draft. He's also quite competent in the nuances of pocket movement which can rare for a QB as good at running as he is.  He almost never gets hit clean and is excellent at avoiding contact via sliding or going out of bounds. If he starts getting hit bad at the NFL then it will become an issue.   

Kiper, Polian, Becht , Grossi , Bradshaw etc etc basically old timers who have no idea what sport they are looking at anymore. Most of the Lamar feedback has been positive. Its just interesting to see the dichotomy at play

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Tom Brady?

Dak Prescott?

Drew Brees?

Russell Wilson?

Maybe even Lamar Jackson.....?



There are some interesting observations made in this article (Primarily in relation to Lamar Jackson) highlighting the "old fashioned" GM's around the league who are fixated on "the look".

Link

Certainly.
Maybe.
Of course.
Probably.
No.

Color has absolutely NOTHING to do with it. I was a huge fan of Warren Moon. The guy knew how to stand in the pocket, find his receivers and deliver strikes. That's the kind of QB I want for this team.

Same guy who said McCaffrey would be bad because he's white LMAO

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Killed the thread sorry.

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Killed the thread sorry.

That was some discussion about McCaffrey being a white RB on the old board, good memory there!

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Killed the thread sorry.

Not at all. I appreciate the lively discussion.

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Stereotype buster:

https://mobile.twitter.com/PatrickClaybo...frame.html

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

Killed the thread sorry.

That was some discussion about McCaffrey being a white RB on the old board, good memory there!

Same guy saying colour doesn't matter for QBs also says white running backs will suck because they are white!

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