I don’t think they use actual stamps any more, do they?

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

I don't like it. Two reasons. One, it seems horribly impractical to figure out a box for every individual family when you consider special health needs, food allergies, dietary practices or requirements, etc. Two, I would not be ok with Uncle Donald telling me what I get to eat. And even then, it's a moot point. The grocery store and drugstore lobby would be devastated if they lost 90% of their SNAP dollars. They'd go to incredibly great lengths to make sure this plan never sees the light of day. Even if they're the suppliers for this program, there's a big difference between selling a million people a million heads of lettuce and retail and selling the government a million heads of lettuce at wholesale.

I totally agree the government should not decide what anyone eats. The government is too big already. Now I can maybe see a Food Stamp Store or something where the government sells food in a competative environment, but to take on the decision making themselves is borderline communist. 

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I don't like it. Two reasons. One, it seems horribly impractical to figure out a box for every individual family when you consider special health needs, food allergies, dietary practices or requirements, etc. Two, I would not be ok with Uncle Donald telling me what I get to eat. And even then, it's a moot point. The grocery store and drugstore lobby would be devastated if they lost 90% of their SNAP dollars. They'd go to incredibly great lengths to make sure this plan never sees the light of day. Even if they're the suppliers for this program, there's a big difference between selling a million people a million heads of lettuce and retail and selling the government a million heads of lettuce at wholesale.

I totally agree the government should not decide what anyone eats. The government is too big already. Now I can maybe see a Food Stamp Store or something where the government sells food in a competative environment, but to take on the decision making themselves is borderline communist. 

Lol we crossed that bridge way back when we decided to forcefully enroll everyone in a feed the welfare system. The entire food stamp program is socialism we are just arguing how to best do it. 

What's the purpose of the SNAP program? To help the poor with nutrition right? We'll the ebt program is failing in the most expensive way possible to do that so you have to change something.

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I don’t think they use actual stamps any more, do they?

Nope they get a debit card loaded with money on it.

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I don't like it. Two reasons. One, it seems horribly impractical to figure out a box for every individual family when you consider special health needs, food allergies, dietary practices or requirements, etc. Two, I would not be ok with Uncle Donald telling me what I get to eat. And even then, it's a moot point. The grocery store and drugstore lobby would be devastated if they lost 90% of their SNAP dollars. They'd go to incredibly great lengths to make sure this plan never sees the light of day. Even if they're the suppliers for this program, there's a big difference between selling a million people a million heads of lettuce and retail and selling the government a million heads of lettuce at wholesale.

I totally agree the government should not decide what anyone eats. The government is too big already. Now I can maybe see a Food Stamp Store or something where the government sells food in a competative environment, but to take on the decision making themselves is borderline communist. 

I'm a taxpayer.  It's my money.   If they want to use my taxes to pay for this, I should have a say in what they eat.

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I want a card with money on it!

I have one, I want a card with everyone else's money on it that can be used at the liquor store!

Your post left out one critically important detail, but I fixed it.

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When you get into the endzone, act like you've been there before.

Sounds like a program that would be fraught with corruption, inefficiency, and exploitation. Bad idea.

How many days until this happens?

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I totally agree the government should not decide what anyone eats. The government is too big already. Now I can maybe see a Food Stamp Store or something where the government sells food in a competative environment, but to take on the decision making themselves is borderline communist. 

I'm a taxpayer.  It's my money.   If they want to use my taxes to pay for this, I  should have a say in what they eat.

And there's the #1 with a Bullet reason why we don't ever want Universal Health Insurance.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I don't like it. Two reasons. One, it seems horribly impractical to figure out a box for every individual family when you consider special health needs, food allergies, dietary practices or requirements, etc. Two, I would not be ok with Uncle Donald telling me what I get to eat. And even then, it's a moot point. The grocery store and drugstore lobby would be devastated if they lost 90% of their SNAP dollars. They'd go to incredibly great lengths to make sure this plan never sees the light of day. Even if they're the suppliers for this program, there's a big difference between selling a million people a million heads of lettuce and retail and selling the government a million heads of lettuce at wholesale.

I totally agree the government should not decide what anyone eats. The government is too big already. Now I can maybe see a Food Stamp Store or something where the government sells food in a competative environment, but to take on the decision making themselves is borderline communist. 

Normally, I would agree, but when the government is paying for your food, I believe they can dictate what you eat. If you work and buy your own food with money you earned though, you should be able to eat whatever you want without government interference.

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I totally agree the government should not decide what anyone eats. The government is too big already. Now I can maybe see a Food Stamp Store or something where the government sells food in a competative environment, but to take on the decision making themselves is borderline communist. 

Normally, I would agree, but when the government is paying for your food, I believe they can dictate what you eat. If you work and buy your own food with money you earned though, you should be able to eat whatever you want without government interference.

They should dictate what they eat and they should make it the essentials.  It needs to come to a point where people want to work to get off of government aid but in the present we are seeing the opposite.

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Rice, Beans, Lettuce, and Water.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Rice, Beans, Lettuce, and Water.

If that's what it would take for people to stop living off the welfare system then let's get it done.

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Rice, Beans, Lettuce, and Water.

If that's what it would take for people to stop living off the welfare system then let's get it done.

Double bonus: that diet will reduce Type 2 Diabetes among the "poor" by more than 50%, a health care cost reduction equal to billions in future revenue.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Normally, I would agree, but when the government is paying for your food, I believe they can dictate what you eat. If you work and buy your own food with money you earned though, you should be able to eat whatever you want without government interference.

They should dictate what they eat and they should make it the essentials.  It needs to come to a point where people want to work to get off of government aid but in the present we are seeing the opposite.

I wouldn't say that. I know several people who are working multiple jobs, just to keep their heads above water. My cousin for example works 3 jobs at 3 different nursing homes. She works on average 70 hours a week and the poor girl is in the early stages of M.S., but she cannot afford to go on disability. She's a single mother of 3 kids. I've never seen such a hard worker. Just because people are poor, doesn't mean they are lazy.

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If that's what it would take for people to stop living off the welfare system then let's get it done.

Double bonus: that diet will reduce Type 2 Diabetes among the "poor" by more than 50%, a health care cost reduction equal to billions in future revenue.

And double the amount of carbon dioxide and methane emissions, thereby ripping a bigger hole in the ozone layer.

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They should dictate what they eat and they should make it the essentials.  It needs to come to a point where people want to work to get off of government aid but in the present we are seeing the opposite.

I wouldn't say that. I know several people who are working multiple jobs, just to keep their heads above water. My cousin for example works 3 jobs at 3 different nursing homes. She works on average 70 hours a week and the poor girl is in the early stages of M.S., but she cannot afford to go on disability. She's a single mother of 3 kids. I've never seen such a hard worker. Just because people are poor, doesn't mean they are lazy.

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Double bonus: that diet will reduce Type 2 Diabetes among the "poor" by more than 50%, a health care cost reduction equal to billions in future revenue.

And double the amount of carbon dioxide and methane emissions, thereby ripping a bigger hole in the ozone layer.

My comment was never intended for people such as your cousin.

That doesn't take away that there is a large number of people abusing the system.  I know of quite a few.  Some getting SSI/disability as well as using an "Obama phone" for their phone.  They could get a job but why would they?  They don't live a lavish life but they get by alright and don't have to work a minute.

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The general premise of the idea is a good one. There are plenty of "i's" to be dotted and "T's" to be crossed to make it actually work and do give certain folks a few health-condition-mandated dietary options, but it's a good idea.

Funny sidebar anecdote:
I happened in a Winn Dixie Sunday night. I'm normally a Publix or Native Sun guy but I just needed a few basic things.
Only two lanes open to checkout with about 14 carts in line.
The lady in front of me has a cart piled full of frozen pizzas, breakfast cereal, white bread loaves, ham, milk, and Pepsi products.
She takes a full 10 minutes to glean every penny from three different EBT cards she has and comes up short.
Then she removes a few products from her cart to void from the sale. (Her friend goes to replace them on shelves but just stacks them on top of the chewing gum in the neighboring lane.)
She's still short $11.
Now she tries two different debit or credit cards to pay that. Very slowly I might add.
Denied twice.

Then... get this... after I've waited nearly twenty minutes to buy 5 things... she pulls out a fifty!!!

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The general premise of the idea is a good one.  There are plenty of "i's" to be dotted and "T's" to be crossed to make it actually work and do give certain folks a few health-condition-mandated dietary options, but it's a good idea.

Funny sidebar anecdote:
  I happened in a Winn Dixie Sunday night.  I'm normally a Publix or Native Sun guy but I just needed a few basic things.
Only two lanes open to checkout with about 14 carts in line.  
The lady in front of me has a cart piled full of frozen pizzas, breakfast cereal, white bread loaves, ham,  milk, and Pepsi products.
She takes a full 10 minutes to glean every penny from three different EBT cards she has and comes up short.
Then she removes a few products from her cart to void from the sale. (Her friend goes to replace them on shelves but just stacks them on top of the chewing gum in the neighboring lane.)
She's still short $11.
Now she tries two different debit or credit cards to pay that.  Very slowly I might add.
Denied twice.

Then...  get this...  after I've waited nearly twenty minutes to buy 5 things...  she pulls out a fifty!!!

See it Everytime I go to the store it's the norm now

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Rice, Beans, Lettuce, and Water.

We great up with very little disposable income so I still tend to think that bottled water is a luxury.  I refill my same bottle at every fountain or water dispenser in sight.

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Rice, Beans, Lettuce, and Water.

We great up with very little disposable income so I still tend to think that bottled water is a luxury.  I refill my same bottle at every fountain or water dispenser in sight.

Same. Have you seen the new water fountains?



These are popping up all over where I live. I love it.

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Us too, we use our water bottles everywhere we can.

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And double the amount of carbon dioxide and methane emissions, thereby ripping a bigger hole in the ozone layer.
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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

The WIC system works fairly well.

Except for all the people selling the "free" baby formula.

You get a listed of items you can "buy" like milk, cheese, fruit products; and it's a certain amount per month

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They could do a lot worse. That's a better diet than mac-n-cheese with OJ from concentrate.

I'm a pretty staunch Libertarian, but if we're going to have these programs let's make them healthy with little motivation to remain on them.

WIC is already that way. And trust me the government has no idea what 'healthy' is. They simply listen to the biggest brands, that's literally what wic is, a straight up subsidy to Kellogg and General Mills etc. Is frosted mini wheat's healthy, how bout granola, or kix? Well that's what the government says thru wic.

I have an intimate familiarity with the program, and quite frankly WIC is way worse than SNAP. WIC has to have each of its individual products approved except for fruits and vegetables, but they only give you about $14 a month for those. But you get over a hundred dollars for brand name cereals that cost more than the store brands and are not healthy. The only things you can sub out for a store brand is cheese basically.

WIC is basically: Meat, Cheese, Eggs, a tiny amount of fruit and veggies, a bunch of cereal, milk, bad bread, and yogurt. Super carb loaded and meat loaded with a lot of dairy on top. At least SNAP you can spend the whole thing on vegetables if you want. I am in a household that regularly eats a lot of fruits and vegetables, and WIC wouldn't really help that at all, even tho fruits and vegetables are basically the healthiest thing you can eat, but they make up the smallest portion of WIC.

But the bigger reason you don't want to end SNAP is that it is actually one of the best run government programs there is. By simply giving people the funds directly to buy food only at grocery stores its pretty much a direct stimulus of the economy. There isn't a ton of middle men, and as far as government programs go most of the money actually goes where it is supposed to. This is one of the programs that almost all economist agree is the worst one to stop. The government wastes lots of money, SNAP is not one of those programs tho.

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