At least 14 dead, probably more.

I created a duplicate thread in Fargin's Flyby for non-political comments.

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Former student who was previously expelled. Terrible.

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Sounds like their might have been some signs there. Kid was apparently threatening other kids and that's part of why he got expelled. I see a lot of spin on him being DACA or this and that cause hes spanish but honestly thats pretty uncalled for. This is a terrible thing. Although I have to admit, when I see they had a fire alarm right before the shooting, just like in California, the tin hats do start coming out.

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Peyton must store oxygen in that forehead of his. No way I'd still be alive after all that choking.

 

Sen. Bill Nelson said he was wearing a gas mask and possessing smoke grenades. He set off a fire alarm to get students out so he had a chance at a higher victim count.

The suspect had been expelled.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

Sounds like their might have been some signs there. Kid was apparently threatening other kids and that's part of why he got expelled. I see a lot of spin on him being DACA or this and that cause hes spanish but honestly thats pretty uncalled for. This is a terrible thing. Although I have to admit, when I see they had a fire alarm right before the shooting, just like in California, the tin hats do start coming out.

You don't think that maybe the shooter pulled the fire alarm?  I don't understand your tin hat comment.

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Sen. Bill Nelson said he was wearing a gas mask and possessing smoke grenades. He set off a fire alarm to get students out so he had a chance at a higher victim count.

The suspect had been expelled.

He also brought up the prospect of forbidding gun sales to people on a terror watch list. I don't know how this would have prevented this shooting.

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It gets harder and [BLEEP] harder to defend the notion that the Second Amendment means "no restrictions, period" every time someone commits mass murder with a gun.

"There's no way to prevent this," says the only country where it ever happens.

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It gets harder and [BLEEP] harder to defend the notion that the Second Amendment means "no restrictions, period" every time someone commits mass murder with a gun.

"There's no way to prevent this," says the only country where it ever happens.

Who says this?

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It gets harder and [BLEEP] harder to defend the notion that the Second Amendment means "no restrictions, period" every time someone commits mass murder with a gun.

"There's no way to prevent this," says the only country where it ever happens.

Who says this?

You must not post on this side of the board very often.

Someone is going to say it. “If it’s not a gun then this guy would have had a knife or a car!”

This kid isn’t killing 16 or more with a knife. He’s just not. How a kid gets a hold of a gun like this is embarrassing to this country.

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It gets harder and [BLEEP] harder to defend the notion that the Second Amendment means "no restrictions, period" every time someone commits mass murder with a gun.

"There's no way to prevent this," says the only country where it ever happens.

Who says this?

The gun lobby and the Republicans they pay for. Every damn time. They're as quick to say, "This is a mental health issue," as those same Republicans were to kick everyone out of the hospitals in the '80s. 

I mean, at some point, pull your heads out of your [BLEEP]. This is now a weekly thing, maybe even twice in some weeks. How do we even define a "mass" shooting anymore? What's the head count up to before it's not just "some loon with a gun"? Does the location of the shooting play into it? Like, if someone shoots 4 kids at a school, is it a mass shooting whereas 4 adults at an office is just a job dispute gone horribly awry?

[BLEEP] it. Amend the Constitution. Americans can't handle guns, and to the group that's inevitably salivating over the chance to reply, yeah, that's aimed at you too. If we can't go one week without someone shooting up a concert or a school or a mall or a workplace or a church or town square, it's no longer a mental health issue. It's not a terrorism issue, and it's not an illegal immigration issue so don't you even try to go there, scumbag. It's a gun issue. Specifically, Americans don't know how to use them responsibly. Amend the [BLEEP] Constitution. Don't take them away, but codify the right to own them. And if your response is they can have it when they pry it from your cold dead hands, then, hey, you made your own bed on that one.

Guns should be registered. Ownership should be tightly controlled. Possession of a gun by a person other than the registered owner is a felony. An individual's license to own a gun may be revoked upon showing of cause, and no cause is needed to deny a license to own a firearm in the first place. You want to own a gun? Fine. Your criminal record, medical history and background check results are now public record. And if you or a dependent of yours use a gun in the commission of a crime, that gun is seized and destroyed along with any and all others you own, and you go to jail for a long, long time. Zero tolerance for gun violence.

You want to own a gun? Fine. Prove that you're a responsible, stable individual who should have one first, and keep proving that every damn day until you die or lose it. Amend the Constitution, because that's the only way it can legally be done, but Charlie H. Crist, how can anyone sit there and continue to argue that lax gun laws (if they exist at all) are not allowing these guns to make it to people who then use them to murder others?

"What's the point of more laws if more laws don't work?"

Stop dodging. You have no counter to the real point, so you hide behind a lawyer argument. More laws work wonders if you enforce the ones already on the books and the new ones.

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Who says this?

The gun lobby and the Republicans they pay for. Every damn time. They're as quick to say, "This is a mental health issue," as those same Republicans were to kick everyone out of the hospitals in the '80s. 

I mean, at some point, pull your heads out of your [BLEEP]. This is now a weekly thing, maybe even twice in some weeks. How do we even define a "mass" shooting anymore? What's the head count up to before it's not just "some loon with a gun"? Does the location of the shooting play into it? Like, if someone shoots 4 kids at a school, is it a mass shooting whereas 4 adults at an office is just a job dispute gone horribly awry?

[BLEEP] it. Amend the Constitution. Americans can't handle guns, and to the group that's inevitably salivating over the chance to reply, yeah, that's aimed at you too. If we can't go one week without someone shooting up a concert or a school or a mall or a workplace or a church or town square, it's no longer a mental health issue. It's not a terrorism issue, and it's not an illegal immigration issue so don't you even try to go there, scumbag. It's a gun issue. Specifically, Americans don't know how to use them responsibly. Amend the [BLEEP] Constitution. Don't take them away, but codify the right to own them. And if your response is they can have it when they pry it from your cold dead hands, then, hey, you made your own bed on that one.

Guns should be registered. Ownership should be tightly controlled. Possession of a gun by a person other than the registered owner is a felony. An individual's license to own a gun may be revoked upon showing of cause, and no cause is needed to deny a license to own a firearm in the first place. You want to own a gun? Fine. Your criminal record, medical history and background check results are now public record. And if you or a dependent of yours use a gun in the commission of a crime, that gun is seized and destroyed along with any and all others you own, and you go to jail for a long, long time. Zero tolerance for gun violence.

You want to own a gun? Fine. Prove that you're a responsible, stable individual who should have one first, and keep proving that every damn day until you die or lose it. Amend the Constitution, because that's the only way it can legally be done, but Charlie H. Crist, how can anyone sit there and continue to argue that lax gun laws (if they exist at all) are not allowing these guns to make it to people who then use them to murder others?

"What's the point of more laws if more laws don't work?"

Stop dodging. You have no counter to the real point, so you hide behind a lawyer argument. More laws work wonders if you enforce the ones already on the books and the new ones.

Over under on the existing gun laws the guy already broke?  

Were not dodging, were living in reality.  If ur waiting for Santa clause to cleanse the world then good luck with that.

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guns shouldn't be in the hands of crazy people
guns protect people from crazy people
there are illegal ways to get guns
there are legal ways for law abiding citizens to get guns
taking away the legal ways doesn't take away the illegal ways
hunting down illegal weapons owners is the solution
laws to stop crazy people from having guns are needed.

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The gun lobby and the Republicans they pay for. Every damn time. They're as quick to say, "This is a mental health issue," as those same Republicans were to kick everyone out of the hospitals in the '80s. 

I mean, at some point, pull your heads out of your [BLEEP]. This is now a weekly thing, maybe even twice in some weeks. How do we even define a "mass" shooting anymore? What's the head count up to before it's not just "some loon with a gun"? Does the location of the shooting play into it? Like, if someone shoots 4 kids at a school, is it a mass shooting whereas 4 adults at an office is just a job dispute gone horribly awry?

[BLEEP] it. Amend the Constitution. Americans can't handle guns, and to the group that's inevitably salivating over the chance to reply, yeah, that's aimed at you too. If we can't go one week without someone shooting up a concert or a school or a mall or a workplace or a church or town square, it's no longer a mental health issue. It's not a terrorism issue, and it's not an illegal immigration issue so don't you even try to go there, scumbag. It's a gun issue. Specifically, Americans don't know how to use them responsibly. Amend the [BLEEP] Constitution. Don't take them away, but codify the right to own them. And if your response is they can have it when they pry it from your cold dead hands, then, hey, you made your own bed on that one.

Guns should be registered. Ownership should be tightly controlled. Possession of a gun by a person other than the registered owner is a felony. An individual's license to own a gun may be revoked upon showing of cause, and no cause is needed to deny a license to own a firearm in the first place. You want to own a gun? Fine. Your criminal record, medical history and background check results are now public record. And if you or a dependent of yours use a gun in the commission of a crime, that gun is seized and destroyed along with any and all others you own, and you go to jail for a long, long time. Zero tolerance for gun violence.

You want to own a gun? Fine. Prove that you're a responsible, stable individual who should have one first, and keep proving that every damn day until you die or lose it. Amend the Constitution, because that's the only way it can legally be done, but Charlie H. Crist, how can anyone sit there and continue to argue that lax gun laws (if they exist at all) are not allowing these guns to make it to people who then use them to murder others?

"What's the point of more laws if more laws don't work?"

Stop dodging. You have no counter to the real point, so you hide behind a lawyer argument. More laws work wonders if you enforce the ones already on the books and the new ones.

Over under on the existing gun laws the guy already broke?  

Were not dodging, were living in reality.  If ur waiting for Santa clause to cleanse the world then good luck with that.

I'm sure about every gun law in the book was broken. They should all be enforced, but they won't be. Democrats will pitch a fit for 48 hours then go back to whatever SJW crap they're in line for this week. Trump will come out in the morning and proclaim that it's a mental health problem, not a gun law problem, and he will not entertain the idea of changing our gun laws because they work perfectly.

When a law doesn't work, you know what you do? You get rid of it and replace it with one that's easier to enforce and properly scoped, then you enforce that one.

Register your guns or go to prison for ten years and lose them forever. Seems really easy to me.

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Who says this?

The gun lobby and the Republicans they pay for. Every damn time. They're as quick to say, "This is a mental health issue," as those same Republicans were to kick everyone out of the hospitals in the '80s. 

I mean, at some point, pull your heads out of your [BLEEP]. This is now a weekly thing, maybe even twice in some weeks. How do we even define a "mass" shooting anymore? What's the head count up to before it's not just "some loon with a gun"? Does the location of the shooting play into it? Like, if someone shoots 4 kids at a school, is it a mass shooting whereas 4 adults at an office is just a job dispute gone horribly awry?

[BLEEP] it. Amend the Constitution. Americans can't handle guns, and to the group that's inevitably salivating over the chance to reply, yeah, that's aimed at you too. If we can't go one week without someone shooting up a concert or a school or a mall or a workplace or a church or town square, it's no longer a mental health issue. It's not a terrorism issue, and it's not an illegal immigration issue so don't you even try to go there, scumbag. It's a gun issue. Specifically, Americans don't know how to use them responsibly. Amend the [BLEEP] Constitution. Don't take them away, but codify the right to own them. And if your response is they can have it when they pry it from your cold dead hands, then, hey, you made your own bed on that one.

Guns should be registered. Ownership should be tightly controlled. Possession of a gun by a person other than the registered owner is a felony. An individual's license to own a gun may be revoked upon showing of cause, and no cause is needed to deny a license to own a firearm in the first place. You want to own a gun? Fine. Your criminal record, medical history and background check results are now public record. And if you or a dependent of yours use a gun in the commission of a crime, that gun is seized and destroyed along with any and all others you own, and you go to jail for a long, long time. Zero tolerance for gun violence.

You want to own a gun? Fine. Prove that you're a responsible, stable individual who should have one first, and keep proving that every damn day until you die or lose it. Amend the Constitution, because that's the only way it can legally be done, but Charlie H. Crist, how can anyone sit there and continue to argue that lax gun laws (if they exist at all) are not allowing these guns to make it to people who then use them to murder others?

"What's the point of more laws if more laws don't work?"

Stop dodging. You have no counter to the real point, so you hide behind a lawyer argument. More laws work wonders if you enforce the ones already on the books and the new ones.

Ignoring your emotional outburst lead insults help me understand.  I grew up in a time where every truck had a gun rack and every gun rack had a gun in it even at school.  These mass shootings did not occur.  Guns have always been around this new mass shooting, go out in a blaze of glory thing is relatively new.  What has changed?  From my viewpoint going after guns is going after the symptom and not the cause.

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At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

Who says this?

The gun lobby and the Republicans they pay for. Every damn time. They're as quick to say, "This is a mental health issue," as those same Republicans were to kick everyone out of the hospitals in the '80s. 

I mean, at some point, pull your heads out of your [BLEEP]. This is now a weekly thing, maybe even twice in some weeks. How do we even define a "mass" shooting anymore? What's the head count up to before it's not just "some loon with a gun"? Does the location of the shooting play into it? Like, if someone shoots 4 kids at a school, is it a mass shooting whereas 4 adults at an office is just a job dispute gone horribly awry?

[BLEEP] it. Amend the Constitution. Americans can't handle guns, and to the group that's inevitably salivating over the chance to reply, yeah, that's aimed at you too. If we can't go one week without someone shooting up a concert or a school or a mall or a workplace or a church or town square, it's no longer a mental health issue. It's not a terrorism issue, and it's not an illegal immigration issue so don't you even try to go there, scumbag. It's a gun issue. Specifically, Americans don't know how to use them responsibly. Amend the [BLEEP] Constitution. Don't take them away, but codify the right to own them. And if your response is they can have it when they pry it from your cold dead hands, then, hey, you made your own bed on that one.

Guns should be registered. Ownership should be tightly controlled. Possession of a gun by a person other than the registered owner is a felony. An individual's license to own a gun may be revoked upon showing of cause, and no cause is needed to deny a license to own a firearm in the first place. You want to own a gun? Fine. Your criminal record, medical history and background check results are now public record. And if you or a dependent of yours use a gun in the commission of a crime, that gun is seized and destroyed along with any and all others you own, and you go to jail for a long, long time. Zero tolerance for gun violence.

You want to own a gun? Fine. Prove that you're a responsible, stable individual who should have one first, and keep proving that every damn day until you die or lose it. Amend the Constitution, because that's the only way it can legally be done, but Charlie H. Crist, how can anyone sit there and continue to argue that lax gun laws (if they exist at all) are not allowing these guns to make it to people who then use them to murder others?

"What's the point of more laws if more laws don't work?"

Stop dodging. You have no counter to the real point, so you hide behind a lawyer argument. More laws work wonders if you enforce the ones already on the books and the new ones.

A couple problems I see with your solutions:

1. If someone were to see another person get shot, pick up the weapon of the deceased victim (assuming they have a gun), and shot the offender then he would be charged with a felony in your scenario. What about the owner's wife who is home alone with her husband's gun? What about the 12-year-old girl that uses her dad's gun? Where do you stop prohibiting someone from using another person's weapon because it isn't their's?

2. Millions of Americans use their guns responsibly. The actions of a few don't somehow negate that.

3. What is considered responsible? Who determines they're responsible, and how often do these considerations change?

Your solutions seem reasonable until held against scrutiny. We have a mental health issue, not a gun control issue. 

How would more laws have stopped the mass shooter in Parkland?

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This is a mental health issue. There is no doubt about it.

The person pulling the trigger killed them.

We have a dire need for improved mental health care in America. I see it first hand nearly every day.

More gun laws are not the solution as the gun is not the problem.

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The gun lobby and the Republicans they pay for. Every damn time. They're as quick to say, "This is a mental health issue," as those same Republicans were to kick everyone out of the hospitals in the '80s. 

I mean, at some point, pull your heads out of your [BLEEP]. This is now a weekly thing, maybe even twice in some weeks. How do we even define a "mass" shooting anymore? What's the head count up to before it's not just "some loon with a gun"? Does the location of the shooting play into it? Like, if someone shoots 4 kids at a school, is it a mass shooting whereas 4 adults at an office is just a job dispute gone horribly awry?

[BLEEP] it. Amend the Constitution. Americans can't handle guns, and to the group that's inevitably salivating over the chance to reply, yeah, that's aimed at you too. If we can't go one week without someone shooting up a concert or a school or a mall or a workplace or a church or town square, it's no longer a mental health issue. It's not a terrorism issue, and it's not an illegal immigration issue so don't you even try to go there, scumbag. It's a gun issue. Specifically, Americans don't know how to use them responsibly. Amend the [BLEEP] Constitution. Don't take them away, but codify the right to own them. And if your response is they can have it when they pry it from your cold dead hands, then, hey, you made your own bed on that one.

Guns should be registered. Ownership should be tightly controlled. Possession of a gun by a person other than the registered owner is a felony. An individual's license to own a gun may be revoked upon showing of cause, and no cause is needed to deny a license to own a firearm in the first place. You want to own a gun? Fine. Your criminal record, medical history and background check results are now public record. And if you or a dependent of yours use a gun in the commission of a crime, that gun is seized and destroyed along with any and all others you own, and you go to jail for a long, long time. Zero tolerance for gun violence.

You want to own a gun? Fine. Prove that you're a responsible, stable individual who should have one first, and keep proving that every damn day until you die or lose it. Amend the Constitution, because that's the only way it can legally be done, but Charlie H. Crist, how can anyone sit there and continue to argue that lax gun laws (if they exist at all) are not allowing these guns to make it to people who then use them to murder others?

"What's the point of more laws if more laws don't work?"

Stop dodging. You have no counter to the real point, so you hide behind a lawyer argument. More laws work wonders if you enforce the ones already on the books and the new ones.

A couple problems I see with your solutions:

1. If someone were to see another person get shot, pick up the weapon of the deceased victim (assuming they have a gun), and shot the offender then he would be charged with a felony in your scenario. What about the owner's wife who is home alone with her husband's gun? What about the 12-year-old girl that uses her dad's gun? Where do you stop prohibiting someone from using another person's weapon because it isn't their's?

2. Millions of Americans use their guns responsibly. The actions of a few don't somehow negate that.

3. What is considered responsible? Who determines they're responsible, and how often do these considerations change?

Your solutions seem reasonable until held against scrutiny. We have a mental health issue, not a gun control issue. 

How would more laws have stopped the mass shooter in Parkland?

We do have a mental health issue. Good thing Reagan had the foresight to kick all the loonies out of the hospitals, right? For a guy who did such a great job as President, that's his biggest misstep.

Reasonable exceptions, like someone picking up a deceased police officer's gun to shoot the person that shot the officer, are understood, as is the notion that a registration would extend to immediate family. Of course, a 12-year-old using her dad's gun would get both of them sent to jail for a long time. My thoughts are not meant to be an exercise in finding excuses. They're meant to be a solution with teeth that, if enforced, leaves ownership of guns alone because, frankly, Americans do have the right to guns, and I support the Second Amendment believe it or not. The problem is that the laws we have aren't enforced, and they apparently aren't enough of a deterrent to keep "responsible" gun owners and dealers from irresponsibly letting firearms get into the hands of those who shouldn't have them. You want to bear arms? Cool. Be ready to surrender other rights to gain that one.

How would more laws have stopped the shooter in Parkland? Remains to be seen, but I promise you that if the person he got/stole/bought that AR-15 from were sent to prison for 25 to life for negligent homicide and accessory to first degree murder, it would make others think twice about how they secure the guns registered in their name or who they give/sell the guns registered in their name to.

Guns are like drugs in that regard. Punishing the end user accomplishes little to stop the problem. It's when you move up the chain and start getting the people who are supplying the end user that you start to make an impact, only it's magnified here because it's not just drug dealers you're putting the fear of God into. If Bill down the street goes to jail for six months because his kid took the family pistol out from the master bedroom and robbed a Stab-N-Go, I bet you anything that everyone else on that block is thinking long and hard about the way they secure their own firearm.

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No one cares. Everything is cool - it's not my kid that got killed.

When someone can kill 20+ first grade children and nothing happens you knew the "gun control" debate was over. Forever.

We have no shame.

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The sun's not yellow, it's chicken.

Adam,

Who are you referring to that doesn't care?

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Quick Google searching shows me that around 13,000 people on average die via homicide with a gun each year.

In 2016 nearly 40,000 people died in traffic related deaths.

This was a quick search and 2016 was the year that came up in the link I chose.

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Quick Google searching shows me that around 13,000 people on average die via homicide with a gun each year.

In 2016 nearly 40,000 people died in traffic related deaths.

This was a quick search and 2016 was the year that came up in the link I chose.

Oh boy, here's the first of the "guns are good and cars are evil" crowd.

Yeah, we have a mental health problem. Let's address that while we fix the gun problem, ok? I don't remember the last time someone crashed their Camry through the halls of a high school to mow the place down, but I seem to recall someone today using an AR-15 to do so.

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Adam,

Who are you referring to that doesn't care?

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Quick Google searching shows me that around 13,000 people on average die via homicide with a gun each year.

In 2016 nearly 40,000 people died in traffic related deaths.

This was a quick search and 2016 was the year that came up in the link I chose.

40,000 actually seems quite low considering how much people drive.

Also, let’s compare that 13,000 to other countries.

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