(02-16-2018, 02:03 AM)wrong_box Wrote:

(02-15-2018, 03:02 PM)Caldrac Wrote: A lot of variables but for me it circles back to poor social environment and poor social conditioning. The Orlando mass shooting was based on hate by all accounts. The Dylann Roof shooting was based on hate. This shooting will more than likely be linked to bullying in high school both physically and mentally which led to his hate and need to kill. 

The only two shootings I don't feel 100% comfortable nor clear on is the Sandy Hook and Las Vegas shootings. A lot of the circumstances, motives and investigations between those two shootings doesn't add up in most cases. But I think 50 years ago the population, demography, social environment and social conditions were a lot less complex but you still had heated issues. 

1968 though you're talking about black and white affairs, Vietnam, the assassination of JFK, etc. Television wasn't the forefront. You had maybe 200 million people in the country compared to the 320-330 million people living in it now. Work was probably more consistent too. 

I think today's social media platforms and the access to so much violence, pornography and random hook ups doesn't help. There's been a tremendous shift in lifestyle. There's more dependency on prescription or over the counter drugs. The identity of what a family used to be and look like has changed. The social constructs and terminologies are just overbearing at times. 

The world has always been a [BLEEP] up place in spurts. Don't get me wrong. Times were tougher at times back then and so forth and each generation tried to approve upon the hardships of the previous one but I now think we're entering this really, really weird age of technology and industries that really begin to devalue and dehumanize all of us. Everyone is locked in 24/7 to their news feeds, their multiple social networking accounts. I experience it here at work now with work emails clearly coming in after hours but it's like an unspoken thing now where you're expected to be available 24/7. Taking work home with you. 

It's never enough. The average person now is way too wired in this country. And the generations to come will be just as bad. The conditions we're now living in are fascinating because for all the good we think it's doing there is definitely something there in the underbelly [BLEEP] us all up. Eventually everything ends. It's cyclical. At least that's what I hope.

I agree with the hate thing, but hate has also been ever present and yet until recently very few mass killings by guns...Even back during the black vs white era, lots of hate, violence, and anger, yet very few mass gun killings even though it was incredibly simple to buy weapons...I remember buying my first shotgun at the hardware store as a teenager without having to have my parents with me, bought my first rifle at the same place...

Youth back in the day, would always find a way to get in trouble and make people hate them, but even though there were guns in nearly every pickup truck on campus, no one went and got them and used them, they simply fought until there was a winner...The very thought of using our weapons never entered our minds, or if someone embarrassed us, or bullied us we either beat the [BLEEP] out of them and went on with our lives, or got our [BLEEP] beat and went on with our lives, without having to grab our guns...

I realize that todays world isnt like "Leave it to Beaver" or "Andy Griffith" I'm not quite that old to have lived when punishments were that simple...If we got in trouble, we got our [BLEEP] beat by our parents and were held accountable for what we did, today's youth are not...I saw 2 different videos of the families of teen age boys who were old enough to work, who both (separately) broke into someones home  and were killed by the homeowners...The reaction of both families when asked how they felt said, "Well how is he supposed to get money he needs for shoes and clothes and stuff he needs?"

Good points. Hate has been around forever. Long before gunpowder and firearms were invented mankind had sticks and stones and blades and bows. That didn't seem to slow anybody down from kicking [BLEEP] and taking names when they wanted to for multiple reasons. My dad said the same thing. He had rifles, shotguns and pistols growing up and he grew up relatively poor. "We used our [BLEEP] hands and fists back then to handle disputes when words could no longer suffice... like men...". That's what he said. And I believe him. 

I saw that video too. I think it was down in Dade County. That was CRAZY. Play stupid games and you win stupid prizes...or die. Family values are dwindling down each decade. I blame technology to an extent. 10 - 15 years ago I could drive down San Pablo on a Saturday or Sunday and that elementary park would be flooded with kids riding or running around the track, playing basketball, playing soccer or football and now every weekend when I get back with my dad from fishing it's a ghost town year round. 

Saddest [BLEEP] I've ever seen man. I was born in 1988. I'll be 30 in April. I grew up during an interesting era where video games were still in the 16 bit phase and Mortal Kombat was the big burden of Government to get off store shelves. Fast forward to now. THAT was a joke in comparison to the [BLEEP] kids can access on TV through Youtube, Twitch, Xvideos, etc. It can't be a coincidence that a rise in violence, suicide, STD's, depression, drug dependency, illegal activity and so forth have sky rocketed as technology has sky rocketed. 

Whether it's programming or not. There needs to be a tighter emphasis on family values again. Parents need to educate their children on the difference between reality and fantasy. I think that's a start.

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