(02-16-2018, 07:36 PM)TJBender Wrote:

(02-16-2018, 06:05 PM)jj82284 Wrote: civil liberties are the rights of the individual.  The minute that the individual demonstrates himself to be a risk to himself but more specifically to others then it's no longer question civil liberties it's a question of the state's ability and compelling interest to protect its citizens from those of us that may not be mentally well.  There were several instances by which the state could have a engaged criminal justice system by which this person would have had a criminal record that would have prevented them from having a gun or be pursued some form institutionalization or correction because this person that demonstrated time and time again that his emotional / mental state made him an imminent threat to others.

So which is it then? Police state in which everyone is subject to surveillance at all times but we all get an AR-15, or limitations on who can own a gun and what guns can be owned?

What makes you think you aren’t subject to surveillance 24/7/365? Your identity and online actions are monitored, bought, and sold daily. Your phone records to include photos, texts and location are stored seperate from your device.  Traffic cameras track your vehicle whereabouts. It goes on and on and you have agreed to most surveillance measure when you agree to a TOS or EULA

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