(02-18-2018, 02:40 PM)B2hibry Wrote:

(02-18-2018, 01:12 PM)TJBender Wrote: The more I think about this, the more I think it's time for a Constitutional amendment. The founding fathers wrote the Second Amendment to allow people with muskets and powder-loaded pistols to defend themselves if a foreign government invaded the country. They could not have foreseen "semi-automatic" weapons that are stupidly easy to turn into full automatic spray 'n pray hand cannons. The concept of a repeater rifle was foreign to them, so how can we argue that pistols with a 10-round or higher capacity were covered? Armor piercing rounds? Tracers? When they wrote the Second Amendment, it was three rounds a minute at best. Now? A bump stock can make an AR-15 fire 6 rounds per second.

The Seventh Amendment is almost entirely ignored today because, as written, it's obsolete. So's the Second Amendment. No foreign armies are going to occupy America anytime ever, and your guns have nothing to do with that. I doubt I'll ever get to the point of saying ban guns entirely, but I don't think anything out there needs more than six bullets in it. Think about how much time would be spent reloading, and all the extra ammo, weight and bulk that would have to be carried around. I don't know why bump stocks are legal anymore. I don't know why any weapon that's legal if held a certain way and a felony if held a different way hasn't been outright banned. If you can honestly say that stricter gun laws regulating the type and capacity of weapons allowed for civilian use wouldn't have stopped (or at least lowered the body count of) the mass shootings that are happening all the damn time, then you're either an idiot or an indoctrinated parrot of the alt-right.

There's a mental health problem. Yes, families are different than they were 40 years ago, but want to know something that will blow your mind? In the '70s, people with severe mental health problems were in hospitals, and the undiagnosed didn't have an assortment of high-powered, high capacity rifles in their redneck daddy's closet to choose from.

Your post reads as if you are just looking for an argument with zero room for debate. It is full of all kinds of misinformation and ignorance.
I'm assuming you mean the Bill of Rights that amended the Constitution. With that said, couldn't you hold your thoughts to every amendment? You have quite the Utopia point of view with a little counter-intuitive demeaning of a subset of people.

- Not foreseen "semi-automatic." (repeating arms and automatic arms existed before the Bill of Rights)
- Stupid easy to turn into full automatic (Possible yes, stupid easy, no) (FYI, full auto is less effective than single shot)
- Three rounds per minute at best...  (Way off)
- Bump stock turning AR-15 to 6 rounds per second  (Bump stock isn't necessary for rapid fire and once again makes the firearm no more deadly/effective)
- No foreign invading armies  (Why do you think this hasn't happened and never will?)
- Folks in the 70's had no access to high capacity firearms (1911 existed since 1911, M1 existed in 40s, AR-10 existed in 50s, M-16 existed in 1964, (30-06, .308, 45-70 semi-auto rifles), etc)

Just a few items in your post that show you probably should not speak to the 2nd Amendment or firearms in general. A lot of parroting of anti-gun information I see...

Just adding to your point by playing devil's advocate here...... Before 9/11 would anyone have believed there would be a mass terrorists attack by foreign groups on U.S. soil? I wouldn't have. No one can definitively say the U.S. would never be attacked or invaded either. It is not an impossibility. Furthermore, we cannot definitively say that some crazy person wouldn't somehow come to power in the United States, possibly declaring martial law or rounding up certain groups of people, basically creating some Nazi-ish type of environment where citizens must fight, to take back the country. In fact, I see this scenario becoming more and more likely every day. The second amendment was actually created to protect citizens against the threat of their own government. I don't mean to sound like one of those doomsday preppers, but some people are naturally cautious and their reason for owning certain types of weapons may vary. It's not just "psychos" who own AR-type firearms. Some law abiding people have reasons that are perfectly logical to them and millions of other people as well. The far left may not agree, but not everyone is prepared to just surrender and die in certain life threatening, hypothetical situations.

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