(02-18-2018, 04:58 PM)wrong_box Wrote:

(02-18-2018, 02:37 PM)jj82284 Wrote: very well worded demagoguery and hysteria.  

1.) The 2nd amendment wasn't just drafted for the invasion of a foreign army, it was also for self defense and the ability of the people to hold their government accountable to the preservation of their inalienable rights.  under the third principle its actually more adherent to the intent of the founders to index the weapons available to the public to that of those offered to the military itself (as a musket was at the time of the drafting) so you have no leg to stand on.  

2.) This isn't a 2nd amendment issue.  It's a 4th amendment issue.  Any of our rights can be suspended or revoked through substantive due process.  In this case there were literally 40 plus instances when a government agency interacted with this individual and could have not only edjudicated him mentally unfit to own a gun, he should have been institutionalized because he clearly demonstrated VIOLENT BEHAVIOR that was both a threat to HIMSELF AND OTHERS.  This is the universal definition of a mental disorder that warrants involuntary commitment not just putting someone's name on a list.  This person specifically isn't just a shooter, this was someone who had all the makings of a serial killer or mass murderer in general.  If we woke up 20 years from now and we found 100 people buried in this kids back yard would that be a win for the anti-gun nuts?  

Omar Mateen, known to authorities, boston bomber, Nadal Hassan etc. etc. etc.  The idea that these people were allowed to hurt people is ridiculous, second only to the idea that we should disarm responsible gun owners because the bureaucrats we already give half the money in the country to can't properly evaluate a kid who was SELF MUTILATING HIMSELF ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND ADVERTISING THAT HE WANTS TO HURT PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mass shootings are not a constitutional amendment problem, they are a people problem...No weapon ever created will do anything other than what the person holding it wants it to do...There is no way to know who is going to do bad things with guns any more than predicting who is going to run over a crowd of people with a vehicle, or build home made bombs, or poison a food or water supply...No measure of gun control will stop weirdos and crazies from doing their thing, the only hope would be to be ready with a plan just in case something happens...All Federal and State buildings have a security plan in place, why not schools too? 

Americans will never give up their weapons and will fight like hell to keep any and all restrictions off and away from the 2nd amendment...We have already made enough concessions to the 2nd amendment with the gun control laws we have now, that some states have started taking a stand against gun control laws and have made it legal to open carry weapons without needing a permit...There is very little room left that the American gun owners will accept in the form of gun control...

(02-18-2018, 05:47 PM)Jagsfan4life9/28/82 Wrote:

(02-18-2018, 11:26 AM)MalabarJag Wrote: But it's so much easier to pass a new law targeting honest citizens than it is to stop a known criminal who broke laws already on the books. You don't really expect government bureaucrats to get up from their cushy jobs and risk facing a real criminal, do you?

And the persons responsible will keep their cushy jobs. No matter that people died because of their failure. After all, no one went to jail when veterans died because of VA incompetence, and only three were even fired.

And that's why government bureaus are incompetent, isn't it? They face no competition and have no fear of extinction. Nothing can be done with the first part, as that's a grim necessity of government. As far as the other, something could be done, but I'm afraid that ship has sailed.  Politicians pander to the masses, assuring them the government will make everything right in their world. Most accept or even favor this assurance and continue to vote for more government. They are more than willing to trade liberty for the illusion of safety. I always chuckle when I see someone on the news express shock over a government bureau's failure. Like they believe the government is infallible.

The worst thing about this latest FBI blunder is that the day before that story broke, the local sheriff, in a press conference, implored the public to "if you see something, say something". Yeah, why bother?