(03-09-2018, 03:41 PM)Kane Wrote:

(03-09-2018, 12:29 PM)JackCity Wrote: The NFL pays positions based on how much they value them. The more the NFL values a position the harder it is to find upper tier players of that position. Very good WRs get paid more than many positions and thus are harder to find.

I know how valuation works.
But the top 5 salaries don't make a blanket statement for an entire position.

WRs shouldn't be the players you break the bank for. Because every year (outside of perhaps 5 WRs in the league) you can get guys in FA or the draft. 
QBs, LTs, DEs (pass rushers) are much harder to find actual stars.

Antonio Brown was a 6th round pick.
Edleman was a late round picks. Welker was undrafted.
Donald Driver was a 7th round pick
As was Colston.

My whole point is... you find guys where you find em. And every year there are oodles of wideouts coming out of college and a few in free agency. Most of which will never see top 5 money at their position.
So the position as a whole isn't really valued where that tag price is, considering that is just an average of the top 5 salaries.

If you believe Arob is a top 5 WR for years to come... you give him that ched.
Hard to say he is or isn't based on one really good year and an injury.
WRs are so easy to find (and not worth that top 5 ched) that the Patriots have a different corp every other season just about. 

If ARob was clearly a top 5 WR, he would have already been paid or at least tagged.
Just so you all know... I wish he'd come back. I think we're a better team with him.
But I would hate to let Colvin go, be in a bind to extend Ramsey and Yannick, or have to cut other guys still making plays on D over a WR that was drafted in the 2nd round and had 1 really good season. Especially when we can draft and sign guys who could be as productive for way less.

Works out the same I'm pretty sure.  

Yep QBs, pass rusher and LTs are more valuable. That would be a given.   

You can make a list of players like that for every single position too. The reality is finding a very good receiver is one of the hardest positions to find. Hence the value.  You are confusing finding a reciever with finding a very good one. It's easy to find any old reciever, particularly when you have the GOAT QB throwing at them.  

You aren't making coherent points here man.  


We would have no problem extending Ramsey or Yannick by signing Arob either. Cap is very flexible.

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(03-09-2018, 03:41 PM)Kane Wrote:

(03-09-2018, 12:29 PM)JackCity Wrote: The NFL pays positions based on how much they value them. The more the NFL values a position the harder it is to find upper tier players of that position. Very good WRs get paid more than many positions and thus are harder to find.

I know how valuation works.
But the top 5 salaries don't make a blanket statement for an entire position.

WRs shouldn't be the players you break the bank for. Because every year (outside of perhaps 5 WRs in the league) you can get guys in FA or the draft. 
QBs, LTs, DEs (pass rushers) are much harder to find actual stars.

Antonio Brown was a 6th round pick.
Edleman was a late round picks. Welker was undrafted.
Donald Driver was a 7th round pick
As was Colston.

My whole point is... you find guys where you find em. And every year there are oodles of wideouts coming out of college and a few in free agency. Most of which will never see top 5 money at their position.
So the position as a whole isn't really valued where that tag price is, considering that is just an average of the top 5 salaries.

If you believe Arob is a top 5 WR for years to come... you give him that ched.
Hard to say he is or isn't based on one really good year and an injury.
WRs are so easy to find (and not worth that top 5 ched) that the Patriots have a different corp every other season just about. 

If ARob was clearly a top 5 WR, he would have already been paid or at least tagged.
Just so you all know... I wish he'd come back. I think we're a better team with him.
But I would hate to let Colvin go, be in a bind to extend Ramsey and Yannick, or have to cut other guys still making plays on D over a WR that was drafted in the 2nd round and had 1 really good season. Especially when we can draft and sign guys who could be as productive for way less.

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(03-09-2018, 02:48 PM)Upper Wrote: It's top 5, and yes. If WRs were easy to find and replace the league would not be paying the top ones more than any position except for QB and pass rusher. I understand how us having a year of success with an ancient 80s style of football can make us forget inside of our bubble, but WR is really damn valuable.

Meh...
I ain't seeing it.
How valuable was Odell to the G-Men this year?
Dez?

How'd things shake out for the Bills after they shipped their "#1" guy off?
Tacks made the playoffs and I'm not sure I can think of a WR on their roster..... Decker maybe?

I put WRs and RBs in the same group for me.
Use em and lose em, unless you find that next generational talent (Adrian Peterson, Antonio Brown, etc.) And if it's that clear he's locked up quick, imo.

Kane knows how to value positions better than the NFL!

You said above you know how valuation works. Yet at the same time you are saying you are saying WR = RB in terms of value.

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