Run game production is more about the Oline and opportunity than it is about difference in talent between 1st and mid round backs.

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Go ahead and tell Barkley that when he's gonna be a top 3 pick. He's the best athlete in this draft and it's not even close.

I agree.

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look at the RBs in the super bowl this year and where they were drafted.

who was the last good back to win a SB? Marshawn?

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That's all well and good, but the draft experts on the board here are far smarter than any, maybe all, NFL GM and personnel people.

We idiots who revel in the team's running game complete turn around are short-sighted buffoons who don't know BAP versus BOP.  

Clearly the team is drying their tears of regret with the mock drafts that prove they are fools.

As much as I like fournette, I’d still rather have Mahomes playing on his rookie deal in 2018 with A-Rob re-signed and A couple of 4th round backs competing for the job this year. It would be cheaper and probably better overall. 

The Jags offense should be just fine With Blake and Fournette though.  Especially if they do what’s needed at X receiver, OG and TE.

I’m unsure why many can’t see it working out successfully with or without #27. More than one way to skin a cat.

I can see it working both ways. Either way, at least it seems to be working out fine.

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look at the RBs in the super bowl this year and where they were drafted.

who was the last good back to win a SB? Marshawn?

Look at the CBs in the SB, your point?
Should we have taken a TE since Gronk and Ertz were stars on their SB teams?

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look at the RBs in the super bowl this year and where they were drafted.

who was the last good back to win a SB? Marshawn?

[BLEEP] logic that takes one single variable and attempts to draw a [BLEEP] conclusion without considering the thousands of other variables one must consider to accurately pull this one off. Nice try, but no... keep trying though, eventually you may have a valid point.

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look at the RBs in the super bowl this year and where they were drafted.

who was the last good back to win a SB? Marshawn?

[BLEEP] logic that takes one single variable and attempts to draw a [BLEEP] conclusion without considering the thousands of other variables one must consider to accurately pull this one off. Nice try, but no... keep trying though, eventually you may have a valid point.

How should I say it? The RB position is one of the least important of the 22 starting positions. Spending multiple valuable assets to try and fill that position is asinine. Gave Ivory a ton of money, 2nd on Yeldon, 4OA on LF, but UDFA Corey Grant may be the most explosive and effective of the bunch if given a chance.

I'll be rooting for LF to bring multiple Super Bowls to this city, but [BLEEP] that was an awful pick.

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[BLEEP] logic that takes one single variable and attempts to draw a [BLEEP] conclusion without considering the thousands of other variables one must consider to accurately pull this one off. Nice try, but no... keep trying though, eventually you may have a valid point.

How should I say it? The RB position is one of the least important of the 22 starting positions. Spending multiple valuable assets to try and fill that position is asinine. Gave Ivory a ton of money, 2nd on Yeldon, 4OA on LF, but UDFA Corey Grant may be the most explosive and effective of the bunch if given a chance.

I'll be rooting for LF to bring multiple Super Bowls to this city, but [BLEEP] that was an awful pick.

“Awful pick” woof. Don’t think anyone needs to waste their time trying to convince someone who is so out of touch with reality

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[BLEEP] logic that takes one single variable and attempts to draw a [BLEEP] conclusion without considering the thousands of other variables one must consider to accurately pull this one off. Nice try, but no... keep trying though, eventually you may have a valid point.

How should I say it? The RB position is one of the least important of the 22 starting positions. Spending multiple valuable assets to try and fill that position is asinine. Gave Ivory a ton of money, 2nd on Yeldon, 4OA on LF, but UDFA Corey Grant may be the most explosive and effective of the bunch if given a chance.

I'll be rooting for LF to bring multiple Super Bowls to this city, but [BLEEP] that was an awful pick.

LF won't bring multiple SB's. To win a SB you need either an elite championship defense or an elite QB. Jags have an elite defense, but windows on elite defenses are small. Players age, get hurt, leave via FA, cut for salary cap, etc.. 

While I agree RB is one of the least important positions as a generalization among the NFL, that doesn't apply to this team. This team wants to run the ball every play, the value the Jags have on RB is higher. They want to be physical up front, control clock, and win through defense. Marrone has stated multiple times he would run the ball every play if he could. Could they find a guy later in the draft? Yeah, I'd agree with that, but they evaluated Fournette as a once in generation player and perfect guy for this team. Remember the phone call video Shad had with Fournette after he was drafted? Told him he was going to be the face of the franchise and to be ready for it. If the philosophy is to run and play defense, you can't really knock the pick.

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How should I say it? The RB position is one of the least important of the 22 starting positions. Spending multiple valuable assets to try and fill that position is asinine. Gave Ivory a ton of money, 2nd on Yeldon, 4OA on LF, but UDFA Corey Grant may be the most explosive and effective of the bunch if given a chance.

I'll be rooting for LF to bring multiple Super Bowls to this city, but [BLEEP] that was an awful pick.

“Awful pick” woof. Don’t think anyone needs to waste their time trying to convince someone who is so out of touch with reality

Hey you forgot to reply..

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“Awful pick” woof. Don’t think anyone needs to waste their time trying to convince someone who is so out of touch with reality

Hey you forgot to reply..

You could just as easily end up with Bishop Sankey as Kareem Hunt waiting on RB. Leo was as close as there is to a sure thing

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Hey you forgot to reply..

You could just as easily end up with Bishop Sankey as Kareem Hunt waiting on RB. Leo was as close as there is to a sure thing

You can say the same for every single position in football. Reality is running back is the least valuable non specialist position in football and its not hard to get comparable production later on.

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Hey you forgot to reply..

You could just as easily end up with Bishop Sankey as Kareem Hunt waiting on RB. Leo was as close as there is to a sure thing

It's been 21 years since a RB was taken #1 overall. There's a reason for that.

I like Fournette. I really do. He's a big RB with power and is a much better receiver than I thought. However, RB is a luxury pick and of the top 20 rushers last year, I think 14 or so were from rounds 2 and on.

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You could just as easily end up with Bishop Sankey as Kareem Hunt waiting on RB. Leo was as close as there is to a sure thing

It's been 21 years since a RB was taken #1 overall. There's a reason for that.

I like Fournette. I really do. He's a big RB with power and is a much better receiver than I thought. However, RB is a luxury pick and of the top 20 rushers last year, I think 14 or so were from rounds 2 and on.

To use baseball as a reference, Leo was a guaranteed double, and our team had been swinging for the fences and striking out a lot. Taking the surefire upper eschelon producer over the potential stars isn’t necessarily the wrong move

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It's been 21 years since a RB was taken #1 overall. There's a reason for that.

I like Fournette. I really do. He's a big RB with power and is a much better receiver than I thought. However, RB is a luxury pick and of the top 20 rushers last year, I think 14 or so were from rounds 2 and on.

To use baseball as a reference, Leo was a guaranteed double, and our team had been swinging for the fences and striking out a lot. Taking the surefire upper eschelon producer over the potential stars isn’t necessarily the wrong move

If above average running backs are so valuable then why does the NFL value them less than any position bar special teams?

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To use baseball as a reference, Leo was a guaranteed double, and our team had been swinging for the fences and striking out a lot. Taking the surefire upper eschelon producer over the potential stars isn’t necessarily the wrong move

If above average running backs are so valuable then why does the NFL value them less than any position bar special teams?

The Jags value on RB is very high, doesn't really matter about the NFL value.

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To use baseball as a reference, Leo was a guaranteed double, and our team had been swinging for the fences and striking out a lot. Taking the surefire upper eschelon producer over the potential stars isn’t necessarily the wrong move

If above average running backs are so valuable then why does the NFL value them less than any position bar special teams?

Hmmm... Saquon Barkley is about to go Top 4, Zeke went Top 4, Leo went Top 4, injured Todd Gurley went Top 10. Tell me again how the NFL doesn't value top flight RBs

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If above average running backs are so valuable then why does the NFL value them less than any position bar special teams?

Hmmm... Saquon Barkley is about to go Top 4, Zeke went Top 4, Leo went Top 4, injured Todd Gurley went Top 10. Tell me again how the NFL doesn't value top flight RBs

Read what I wrote again. Top flight RBs have *value*. 

My question is, if running back is such an important position, then why does the NFL value it less than any other position bar special teams?

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If above average running backs are so valuable then why does the NFL value them less than any position bar special teams?

The Jags value on RB is very high, doesn't really matter about the NFL value.

Of course NFL value matters. That kind of thinking is how you end up with a punter in the 3rd round or a kicker in the 2nd.

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Hmmm... Saquon Barkley is about to go Top 4, Zeke went Top 4, Leo went Top 4, injured Todd Gurley went Top 10. Tell me again how the NFL doesn't value top flight RBs

Read what I wrote again. Top flight RBs have *value*. 

My question is, if running back is such an important position, then why does the NFL value it less than any other position bar special teams?

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The Jags value on RB is very high, doesn't really matter about the NFL value.

Of course NFL value matters. That kind of thinking is how you end up with a punter in the 3rd round or a kicker in the 2nd.

No it's not. It's how the Jags justify taking a RB 4th overall. I agree that 4th overall is too high for a RB, but you aren't looking at it through the Jags perspective at all. To them, to value made all the sense in the world.

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Read what I wrote again. Top flight RBs have *value*. 

My question is, if running back is such an important position, then why does the NFL value it less than any other position bar special teams?

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Of course NFL value matters. That kind of thinking is how you end up with a punter in the 3rd round or a kicker in the 2nd.

No it's not. It's how the Jags justify taking a RB 4th overall. I agree that 4th overall is too high for a RB, but you aren't looking at it through the Jags perspective at all. To them, to value made all the sense in the world.

Oh I fully understand the Jags perspective and valuation.  

It's just very flawed.

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There's no doubt he's what the team needed at the time. The defense had already become elite with the free agent additions. Yes, there were serious questions about Bortles, but Coughlin and company decided they wanted to continue to give him a shot. He improved -- although, I'm still not sure he's the guy. The two biggest weaknesses on the team -- in other words, in desperate need of an immediate impact player -- were the offensive line and running back. Now, you won't convince me Jacksonville went BPA there, but they got a player who was the top guy at his position. He's help change the culture. Can't ask for too much more than that.

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