(03-26-2018, 06:47 AM)JackCity Wrote:

(03-26-2018, 06:18 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: Put them all together and the Jets are serving up a pretty crappy meal.

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The Bengals have definite needs on the O-Line, but the defense hasn't been good either. Getting a chance to get another disruptor on the inside is just too good to pass up. I have Payne as a top 15 pick. I find him comparable to Geno Atkins and what's better than having Geno Atkins? How about two Geno Atkins types!

Atkins is a 3 tech who wins with elite quickness , technique and leverage. Was a great pass rusher in college but undersized. 

Payne mostly played nose in college and his pass rushing and disruption was fairly non existent. He's a great run defender but rarely if ever got penetration. Wasn't asked to do it might either. Grand total of 1 TFL and 1 sack in 2017..

Wildly different skillsets as DTs...

Payne was dominant against Georgia in the Championship game. I watched him break through the line on nearly every play. Pairing him next to Atkins is gonna give him a lot more opportunities to get to the QB. He has the skill set to effectively rush the passer, but was not asked to do so in college. He was solely there for run support. He is being brought in to make up for one of the few deficiencies in Atkins game, which is run stuffing. But his pass rushing skills will improve as well. This D-Line should become one of the top units in the NFL with this addition. Remember, Geno only totaled 3 sacks in his final two seasons at Georgia, once he was drafted to the Bengals, they asked him to do different things and now he is one of the best pass rushing DT's in the NFL.

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(03-26-2018, 07:18 AM)JUNGLE CAT 2017 Wrote:

(03-26-2018, 06:47 AM)JackCity Wrote: Atkins is a 3 tech who wins with elite quickness , technique and leverage. Was a great pass rusher in college but undersized. 

Payne mostly played nose in college and his pass rushing and disruption was fairly non existent. He's a great run defender but rarely if ever got penetration. Wasn't asked to do it might either. Grand total of 1 TFL and 1 sack in 2017..

Wildly different skillsets as DTs...

The Bengals - like the Ravens - are a BAP team. 

Here's a BAP list for our mock draft generated from NFLDRAFTSCOUT.COM:

WR Calvin Ridley Alabama
C James Daniels Iowa
OLB Harold Landry Boston College
CB Jaire Alexander Louisville
LB Leighton Vander Esch Boise State
OG Will Hernandez UTEP
DL Maurice Hurst Michigan +injury red flagged at Combine
OT Conner Williams Texas
DL Tavin Bryan Florida
OG Isaiah Wynn Georgia +shoulder injury
WR D. J. Moore Maryland
CB Mike Hughes Central Florida
OT Kolton Miller UCLA
SS Ronnie Harrison Alabama
DE Sam Hubbard Ohio State
RB Derrius Guice Louisiana State
OLB Rashaan Evans Alabama 
TE Mark Andrews Oklahoma
WR D. J. Chark Louisiana State
OLB Lorenzo Carter Georgia

Here is a second BAP list generated from NFL.COM

DL Tavin Bryan Florida
RB Darrius Guice Louisiana State
LB Leighton Vander Esch Boise State
RB Ronald Jones Southern California
OLB Harold Landry Boston College
OG Will Hernandez UTEP
OT Orlando Brown Oklahoma + Bad Combine Workout???
FS Justin Reid Stanford
OG Isaiah Wynn Georgia
CB Carlton Davis Auburn
C James Daniels Iowa
DL Maurice Hurst Michigan +injury red flagged at Combine
DE Rasheem Greene Southern California
SS Ronnie Harrison Alabama
C/OG Billy Price Ohio State +Biceps injury
CB Mike Hughes Central Florida
DT Tim Settle Virginia Tech
CB Isaiah Oliver Colorado
CB Jaire Alexander Louisville
TE Hayden Hurst South Carolina

That certainly isn't my list of best available players.

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