My mothers, brothers, uncle Clark said his neighbor heard from a good source named Vladimir that retaliation and escallation into WWIII will begin precisely when the moon is full and pink, but no later than February 29, 2019.

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Understood there Ivan.

Blind nationalism is never smart.

Absolute belief in the American military's right to do as they please is one of the great blights on this world.

24+ years in America’s military would hardly be blind nationalism. So your stance is that the U.S. should go back to isolationism? Countries, regardless if party to chemical weapons bans should be free to carry out gas attacks against their own people and against international norms? Can’t imagine what a stand up country and populace that would be. If we butt out, maybe Syria wil cease to exist in another 7 years. Generational purge complete and problem solved huh?

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Blind nationalism is never smart.

Absolute belief in the American military's right to do as they please is one of the great blights on this world.

You talk as if it's exclusively America pushing this agenda when the UK and France are pushing as hard or harder.

It’s that bubble mentality and lack of understanding international condemnation for action considered cruel and unusual. Against international norms. Some people believe in an utopia of ignoring the problem and it goes away. No chance of any escalation 5-10-20 years down the road!

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Blind nationalism is never smart.

Absolute belief in the American military's right to do as they please is one of the great blights on this world.

24+ years in America’s military would hardly be blind nationalism. So your stance is that the U.S. should go back to isolationism? Countries, regardless if party to chemical weapons bans should be free to carry out gas attacks against their own people and against international norms? Can’t imagine what a stand up country and populace that would be. If we butt out, maybe Syria wil cease to exist in another 7 years. Generational purge complete and problem solved huh?

No? Military experience alone wouldn't be evidence of your objectivity when it comes to the US military and their affairs abroad.  

Yeah America ideally would stop invading foreign territory , stopping meddling in the democratic affairs of other countries, stop killing civilians abroad , stop playing god , end/limit Americas military-industry complex. Not going to happen but ideally it would. 

You need to stop pretending that everything the US does abroad is noble and ultimately for a good cause.

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Blind nationalism is never smart.

Absolute belief in the American military's right to do as they please is one of the great blights on this world.

You talk as if it's exclusively America pushing this agenda when the UK and France are pushing as hard or harder.

Ah yes, innocent little America abroad. Those bold boys UK and France made them do it! 

I don't agree with the UK or France at all. Quite the contrary in fact.

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Yes, yes, we know. America is the straight, white male of the international community. Everything bad everywhere in the world at all times is our fault 

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Yes, yes, we know. America is the straight, white male of the international community. Everything bad everywhere in the world at all times is our fault 

Would explain why America spends so much time trying to meddle in affairs all over the globe. 

You guys are just misunderstood!

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Blind nationalism is never smart.

Absolute belief in the American military's right to do as they please is one of the great blights on this world.

24+ years in America’s military would hardly be blind nationalism. So your stance is that the U.S. should go back to isolationism? Countries, regardless if party to chemical weapons bans should be free to carry out gas attacks against their own people and against international norms? Can’t imagine what a stand up country and populace that would be. If we butt out, maybe Syria wil cease to exist in another 7 years. Generational purge complete and problem solved huh?

Yes, we should go to isolationism. I'm not so sure there was a chemical weapons attack or if it was just false propaganda in order to justify a military strike and divert from issues at home. Even if it did happen, that is for them to deal with. You don't like how things are being done in your country? Pull yourself up by your bootstraps and work to force change in that country. Don't expect anyone to come in an save you. After all, isn't that the conservative way of thinking when it comes to social issues here at home? Am I missing something? What's the difference, whether it be domestic issues or foreign policy? Wouldn't the idea be the same for everyone? If we stay out of it and Syria ceases to exist, so be it. They did it to themselves. It wouldn't be our fault.

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Seriously? Has no one dropped the "Operation Desert Stormy" joke in here yet??

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Yes, yes, we know. America is the straight, white male of the international community. Everything bad everywhere in the world at all times is our fault 

That made me laugh.  Pretty funny.

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Seriously?  Has no one dropped the "Operation Desert Stormy" joke in here yet??

Jesus, that was pretty good, too.  Very funny.

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Always interested in new weaponry:

"According to the Pentagon, the allied weaponry included 19 new “Extended-Range” stealthy Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Attack Munitions launched by two B-1B bombers based out of Al Udeid Air Base, Qatar..."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/war...li=BBnb4R7

“Russia vows to shoot down any and all missiles fired at Syria. Get ready Russia, because they will be coming, nice and new and ‘smart!”  Trump

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24+ years in America’s military would hardly be blind nationalism. So your stance is that the U.S. should go back to isolationism? Countries, regardless if party to chemical weapons bans should be free to carry out gas attacks against their own people and against international norms? Can’t imagine what a stand up country and populace that would be. If we butt out, maybe Syria wil cease to exist in another 7 years. Generational purge complete and problem solved huh?

No? Military experience alone wouldn't be evidence of your objectivity when it comes to the US military and their affairs abroad.  

Yeah America ideally would stop invading foreign territory , stopping meddling in the democratic affairs of other countries, stop killing civilians abroad , stop playing god , end/limit Americas military-industry complex. Not going to happen but ideally it would. 

You need to stop pretending that everything the US does abroad is noble and ultimately for a good cause.

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You talk as if it's exclusively America pushing this agenda when the UK and France are pushing as hard or harder.

Ah yes, innocent little America abroad. Those bold boys UK and France made them do it! 

I don't agree with the UK or France at all. Quite the contrary in fact.

When your privy to information that most aren’t and understand the intricacies of how these types of mission are formulated you’d understand how naive and general your comments are. America isn’t perfect but when you have the resources and ability should you not take a from the front role? You act as though the military is just itching to go an attack someone regardless of life. We are human beings that just so happen to have a profession that is largely seen as the nations security. The piece you don’t see or hear about is that we are by and large global humanitarians first. We are all over the world providing healthcare, food, water, shelter, infrastructure, nation building, etc. 

I don’t NEED to stop anything. Must suck going through life looking at the negative and bad in everything, like someone is out to get you. If you can’t find the good and necessary in this action, perhaps you should reevaluate life choices and thoughts on humanity.

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Seriously?  Has no one dropped the "Operation Desert Stormy" joke in here yet??

Which one? The “there are no Americans here” with M1 Abrams rolling behind Iraqi Defense Minister press conference or the no WMD, we are just there for oil?

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Yes, yes, we know. America is the straight, white male of the international community. Everything bad everywhere in the world at all times is our fault 

That made me laugh.  Pretty funny.

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Seriously?  Has no one dropped the "Operation Desert Stormy" joke in here yet??

Jesus, that was pretty good, too.  Very funny.

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Always interested in new weaponry:

"According to the Pentagon, the allied weaponry included 19 new “Extended-Range” stealthy Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Attack Munitions launched by two B-1B bombers based out of Al Udeid Air Base, Qatar..."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/war...li=BBnb4R7

“Russia vows to shoot down any and all missiles fired at Syria. Get ready Russia, because they will be coming, nice and new and ‘smart!”  Trump

The new JAASM ER has some pretty unique tech built into it. This was its operational debut. Another item of tech that probably won’t get confirmed is who/what was escorting those B-1s. Just the defensive package alone I think would have deterred most countries from attempting to interfere.

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24+ years in America’s military would hardly be blind nationalism. So your stance is that the U.S. should go back to isolationism? Countries, regardless if party to chemical weapons bans should be free to carry out gas attacks against their own people and against international norms? Can’t imagine what a stand up country and populace that would be. If we butt out, maybe Syria wil cease to exist in another 7 years. Generational purge complete and problem solved huh?

Yes, we should go to isolationism. I'm not so sure there was a chemical weapons attack or if it was just false propaganda in order to justify a military strike and divert from issues at home. Even if it did happen, that is for them to deal with. You don't like how things are being done in your country? Pull yourself up by your bootstraps and work to force change in that country. Don't expect anyone to come in an save you. After all, isn't that the conservative way of thinking when it comes to social issues here at home? Am I missing something? What's the difference, whether it be domestic issues or foreign policy? Wouldn't the idea be the same for everyone? If we stay out of it and Syria ceases to exist, so be it. They did it to themselves. It wouldn't be our fault.

Edmund Burke had some thoughts on that for you.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

24+ years in America’s military would hardly be blind nationalism. So your stance is that the U.S. should go back to isolationism? Countries, regardless if party to chemical weapons bans should be free to carry out gas attacks against their own people and against international norms? Can’t imagine what a stand up country and populace that would be. If we butt out, maybe Syria wil cease to exist in another 7 years. Generational purge complete and problem solved huh?

Yes, we should go to isolationism. I'm not so sure there was a chemical weapons attack or if it was just false propaganda in order to justify a military strike and divert from issues at home. Even if it did happen, that is for them to deal with. You don't like how things are being done in your country? Pull yourself up by your bootstraps and work to force change in that country. Don't expect anyone to come in an save you. After all, isn't that the conservative way of thinking when it comes to social issues here at home? Am I missing something? What's the difference, whether it be domestic issues or foreign policy? Wouldn't the idea be the same for everyone? If we stay out of it and Syria ceases to exist, so be it. They did it to themselves. It wouldn't be our fault.

Not even sure where to begin with this belief. In short, the world would not be a better place if this ideology were adopted  by superpowers or even globally by all. Pretty sure history has been there, done that.

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From March 17, 2018:

US training Syria militants for false flag chemical attack as basis for airstrikes – Russian MoD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmYCgK2zHCI

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No? Military experience alone wouldn't be evidence of your objectivity when it comes to the US military and their affairs abroad.  

Yeah America ideally would stop invading foreign territory , stopping meddling in the democratic affairs of other countries, stop killing civilians abroad , stop playing god , end/limit Americas military-industry complex. Not going to happen but ideally it would. 

You need to stop pretending that everything the US does abroad is noble and ultimately for a good cause.

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Ah yes, innocent little America abroad. Those bold boys UK and France made them do it! 

I don't agree with the UK or France at all. Quite the contrary in fact.

When your privy to information that most aren’t and understand the intricacies of how these types of mission are formulated you’d understand how naive and general your comments are. America isn’t perfect but when you have the resources and ability should you not take a from the front role? You act as though the military is just itching to go an attack someone regardless of life. We are human beings that just so happen to have a profession that is largely seen as the nations security. The piece you don’t see or hear about is that we are by and large global humanitarians first. We are all over the world providing healthcare, food, water, shelter, infrastructure, nation building, etc. 

I don’t NEED to stop anything. Must suck going through life looking at the negative and bad in everything, like someone is out to get you. If you can’t find the good and necessary in this action, perhaps you should reevaluate life choices and thoughts on humanity.

So just to clarify, the US has never spread misinformation to invent reasons to attack foreign territories?  

My issue is with US foreign policy and it's industrial-military complex. I'm sure there are tons of great soliders and I know a handful personally. I am also completely fine with the US military acting as humanitarians providing help like you outline. Let's not pretend that's the sole aim of US foreign policy though. For a more even debate I'd ask you what do you consider to be bad things the US does abroad, what events have you disagreed with? 

Please miss me on your appeal to humanity because on my critiques of the US foreign policy. It's as ironic as it is pathetic.

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From March 17, 2018:

US training Syria militants for false flag chemical attack as basis for airstrikes – Russian MoD

How's the weather in Moscow, comrade?

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From March 17, 2018:

US training Syria militants for false flag chemical attack as basis for airstrikes – Russian MoD

How's the weather in Moscow, comrade?

I take it you didn't watch the video. Funny how Russian 'communist news' predicted the chemical attacks 3 weeks prior to them happening. Looks like all parties knew this was going down ahead of time.

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Yes, it's improvement, but it's Blaine Gabbert 2012 level improvement. - Pirkster

http://youtu.be/ouGM3NWpjxk The Home Hypnotist!

http://youtu.be/XQRFkn0Ly3A Media on the Brain Link!
 

Peyton must store oxygen in that forehead of his. No way I'd still be alive after all that choking.

 

How's the weather in Moscow, comrade?

I take it you didn't watch the video. Funny how Russian 'communist news' predicted the chemical attacks 3 weeks prior to them happening. Looks like all parties knew this was going down ahead of time.

Not sure a Russian endorsed news agency aware of said chemicals is all that “funny” or surprising. They exist as a propaganda pipeline, not just internationally, but internally as well. Russia’s MO is to feed and react. Broken clock is right twice a day.

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When your privy to information that most aren’t and understand the intricacies of how these types of mission are formulated you’d understand how naive and general your comments are. America isn’t perfect but when you have the resources and ability should you not take a from the front role? You act as though the military is just itching to go an attack someone regardless of life. We are human beings that just so happen to have a profession that is largely seen as the nations security. The piece you don’t see or hear about is that we are by and large global humanitarians first. We are all over the world providing healthcare, food, water, shelter, infrastructure, nation building, etc. 

I don’t NEED to stop anything. Must suck going through life looking at the negative and bad in everything, like someone is out to get you. If you can’t find the good and necessary in this action, perhaps you should reevaluate life choices and thoughts on humanity.

So just to clarify, the US has never spread misinformation to invent reasons to attack foreign territories?  

My issue is with US foreign policy and it's industrial-military complex. I'm sure there are tons of great soliders and I know a handful personally. I am also completely fine with the US military acting as humanitarians providing help like you outline. Let's not pretend that's the sole aim of US foreign policy though. For a more even debate I'd ask you what do you consider to be bad things the US does abroad, what events have you disagreed with? 

Please miss me on your appeal to humanity because on my critiques of the US foreign policy. It's as ironic as it is pathetic.

The US has utilized psych-ops for quite some time. Such ops are not utilized on the American populace or even in an international setting. They are pinpointed on a civilian populace to instill doubt or reinforce an objective against their leadership/goverment. Military information released to the public goes one of two ways...direct or very vague. This depends on current or future ops. Attacks on foreign territory have absolutely zero to do with public opinion. In fact, most operation go completely unknown to the public. Vietnam shows what happens when the military gets too politicized. That started to creep in during the Obama era. Look, we are a professional military that consists of mostly high thinking individuals that work at perfecting their craft on a daily basis until called upon. You’d be amazed at how often exercises take place, with painful feedback and lessons reporting that ensures any weaknesses or mistakes are identified and/or not repeated. It’s not perfect but anything that is not remotely close to perfect cost lives.

To address your debate question...The only events that I have questioned have to deal with lack of respectable action. For example when Iran took hostage of some sailors, I believed escalation was warranted. I also disagree with allowing the vacuum in Syria, left by 7 years of war and incompetent leadership, to be filled by a Russian and Iranian ideology that may be even worse not only for Syria but for the region.

I’m certainly not trying to appeal to your humanitarian side. It’s obvious you believe such crisis should be dealt with solely in country regardless of the turmoil. It’s also quite obvious you believe our military aren’t free thinking and want nothing but war. As far as policy, I have yet to see a coherent thought on foreign policy from you. Actually according to you, foreign policy should be non-existant as we sit on our hands at home. My mindset is that no action is pretty irresponsible for a nation like ours or any other capable one.

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So just to clarify, the US has never spread misinformation to invent reasons to attack foreign territories?  

My issue is with US foreign policy and it's industrial-military complex. I'm sure there are tons of great soliders and I know a handful personally. I am also completely fine with the US military acting as humanitarians providing help like you outline. Let's not pretend that's the sole aim of US foreign policy though. For a more even debate I'd ask you what do you consider to be bad things the US does abroad, what events have you disagreed with? 

Please miss me on your appeal to humanity because on my critiques of the US foreign policy. It's as ironic as it is pathetic.

The US has utilized psych-ops for quite some time. Such ops are not utilized on the American populace or even in an international setting. They are pinpointed on a civilian populace to instill doubt or reinforce an objective against their leadership/goverment. Military information released to the public goes one of two ways...direct or very vague. This depends on current or future ops. Attacks on foreign territory have absolutely zero to do with public opinion. In fact, most operation go completely unknown to the public. Vietnam shows what happens when the military gets too politicized. That started to creep in during the Obama era. Look, we are a professional military that consists of mostly high thinking individuals that work at perfecting their craft on a daily basis until called upon. You’d be amazed at how often exercises take place, with painful feedback and lessons reporting that ensures any weaknesses or mistakes are identified and/or not repeated. It’s not perfect but anything that is not remotely close to perfect cost lives.

To address your debate question...The only events that I have questioned have to deal with lack of respectable action. For example when Iran took hostage of some sailors, I believed escalation was warranted. I also disagree with allowing the vacuum in Syria, left by 7 years of war and incompetent leadership, to be filled by a Russian and Iranian ideology that may be even worse not only for Syria but for the region.

I’m certainly not trying to appeal to your humanitarian side. It’s obvious you believe such crisis should be dealt with solely in country regardless of the turmoil. It’s also quite obvious you believe our military aren’t free thinking and want nothing but war. As far as policy, I have yet to see a coherent thought on foreign policy from you. Actually according to you, foreign policy should be non-existant as we sit on our hands at home. My mindset is that no action is pretty irresponsible for a nation like ours or any other capable one.

We already have had two large wars kick started by American misinformation.  

Second part of the question, do you have any problem with Russia interfering with the democratic affairs of other countries,  killing civilians abroad, selling guns to terrorists and having an aggressive foreign policy?  

I believe if you scroll up a few comments you'll see where I told you what I disagree with. No foreign policy doesn't have to be non existent, just less aggressive, less damaging on the rest of the world and less playing god around the globe. You'd think they would be universally held opinions by any objective human looking at the USAs current foreign policy.

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Seriously?  Has no one dropped the "Operation Desert Stormy" joke in here yet??

Too soon?

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley