Non story. Anyone who has been to New York, Phili, etc. has seen the signs at restaurants...”restrooms are for customers only.” In addition, Starbucks has been trying to minimize the wifi sucking loitering for years, no matter the race.

https://patch.com/ohio/fairlawn-bath/sta...d-fairlawn

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According to the 2 men who were arrested, they entered the Starbucks, asked to use the restroom (politely), a request which was refused because they hadn't made a purchase and were told to leave after 2 minutes. They were waiting on another person for a business meeting and that's why they hadn't ordered yet. I've yet to find a conflicting report. I've been to a Starbucks, people loll around all the time before ordering. There is nothing in any report indicating the Starbucks was crowded. People could be heard on the video saying the men were doing nothing wrong.

Yes, of course the police would say the were insulting and uncooperative. One of the men said the police made no effort to resolve the situation or get their side of the story. Of course, I know which side you believe and support.

Please tell me you've never entered a restaurant needing to use the bathroom right away, or sat at a table waiting on someone before ordering.

The store manager may or may not have been racist, but it does appear he could have handled this situation better.

They were asked to leave within two minutes because, according to the manager, they voiced their intent from the beginning. They said they weren’t going to purchase anything. This matches what the police said was told to them too. When the manager told them to leave, they refused to do that. 

And, of course, you choose the side of the criminal. Whatever reason you want to attribute to it, they were asked to leave by he manager and the police. That is trespassing. The police asked the to leave because that’s what the manager wanted. The police aren’t required to get their side of the story—they’re trespassing. It literally doesn’t matter. 

Why would the police lie about these two insulting them? Sympathy? I can’t imagine how it’s easier for you to believe that two men were racially discriminated against in a majority black city wherein they admitted that they did not purchase anything while also questioning the credibility of the store’s manager’s account of events. An account consistent with a black officer’s (the arresting officer). 

If someone is trespassing in your house, do you want the police get their side of it before kicking them out?

I’ve also entered restaurants or stores that require paying customers. I’ve been turned away and / or required to pay. I didn’t protest and force the owner to call the police and then cry racism when I was arrested while pretending that my business was more important than property rights.

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According to the 2 men who were arrested, they entered the Starbucks, asked to use the restroom (politely), a request which was refused because they hadn't made a purchase and were told to leave after 2 minutes. They were waiting on another person for a business meeting and that's why they hadn't ordered yet. I've yet to find a conflicting report. I've been to a Starbucks, people loll around all the time before ordering. There is nothing in any report indicating the Starbucks was crowded. People could be heard on the video saying the men were doing nothing wrong.

Yes, of course the police would say the were insulting and uncooperative. One of the men said the police made no effort to resolve the situation or get their side of the story. Of course, I know which side you believe and support.

Please tell me you've never entered a restaurant needing to use the bathroom right away, or sat at a table waiting on someone before ordering.

The store manager may or may not have been racist, but it does appear he could have handled this situation better.

They were asked to leave within two minutes because, according to the manager, they voiced their intent from the beginning. They said they weren’t going to purchase anything. This matches what the police said was told to them too. When the manager told them to leave, they refused to do that. 

And, of course, you choose the side of the criminal. Whatever reason you want to attribute to it, they were asked to leave by he manager and the police. That is trespassing. The police asked the to leave because that’s what the manager wanted. The police aren’t required to get their side of the story—they’re trespassing. It literally doesn’t matter. 

Why would the police lie about these two insulting them? Sympathy? I can’t imagine how it’s easier for you to believe that two men were racially discriminated against in a majority black city wherein they admitted that they did not purchase anything while also questioning the credibility of the store’s manager’s account of events. An account consistent with a black officer’s (the arresting officer). 

If someone is trespassing in your house, do you want the police get their side of it before kicking them out?

I’ve also entered restaurants or stores that require paying customers. I’ve been turned away and / or required to pay. I didn’t protest and force the owner to call the police and then cry racism when I was arrested while pretending that my business was more important than property rights.

That's the prevailing thought process of the left. Protect the wrongdoer.

Race doesn't matter.

I've seen multiple white people asked to leave, refuse, then the police escort them out. It happens all the damn time.

To make this racial is racist as hell.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

According to the 2 men who were arrested, they entered the Starbucks, asked to use the restroom (politely), a request which was refused because they hadn't made a purchase and were told to leave after 2 minutes. They were waiting on another person for a business meeting and that's why they hadn't ordered yet. I've yet to find a conflicting report. I've been to a Starbucks, people loll around all the time before ordering. There is nothing in any report indicating the Starbucks was crowded. People could be heard on the video saying the men were doing nothing wrong.

Yes, of course the police would say the were insulting and uncooperative. One of the men said the police made no effort to resolve the situation or get their side of the story. Of course, I know which side you believe and support.

Please tell me you've never entered a restaurant needing to use the bathroom right away, or sat at a table waiting on someone before ordering.

The store manager may or may not have been racist, but it does appear he could have handled this situation better.

They were asked to leave within two minutes because, according to the manager, they voiced their intent from the beginning. They said they weren’t going to purchase anything. This matches what the police said was told to them too. When the manager told them to leave, they refused to do that. 

And, of course, you choose the side of the criminal. Whatever reason you want to attribute to it, they were asked to leave by he manager and the police. That is trespassing. The police asked the to leave because that’s what the manager wanted. The police aren’t required to get their side of the story—they’re trespassing. It literally doesn’t matter. 

Why would the police lie about these two insulting them? Sympathy? I can’t imagine how it’s easier for you to believe that two men were racially discriminated against in a majority black city wherein they admitted that they did not purchase anything while also questioning the credibility of the store’s manager’s account of events. An account consistent with a black officer’s (the arresting officer). 

If someone is trespassing in your house, do you want the police get their side of it before kicking them out?

I’ve also entered restaurants or stores that require paying customers. I’ve been turned away and / or required to pay. I didn’t protest and force the owner to call the police and then cry racism when I was arrested while pretending that my business was more important than property rights.

I'm not faulting the police for enforcing the law, or accusing them of being racist. They did their job according to procedure.

Did the men say they had no plans to buy anything the entire time they were there, or just waiting on the third person before ordering?

My point is there can be two sides. In a predominately black city, the manager has surely dealt with black people loitering in his Starbucks, and it's probably a problem. Are you really going to say if it was two white men there is no chance they would have been treated differently, no chance they would be given more than 2 minutes? I'm not going to claim to know what it's like to live as a black man in America, I can only go on my experiences with a few friends and co-workers, and things they've told me. They don't complain, they don't cry racism, they just make a strong case - they are often treated differently, in mostly subtle ways. It is not absurd to think the manager was at least either just afraid, or bigoted, not necessarily without reason. It's also not unreasonable to believe the two men were justified in pushing the issue enough to force an arrest, just to make a point.

I think both sides could have handled this better, but apparently one side may have just had enough.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
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Crap !! I thought this was a tread about the taste of their coffee.

Personally, I think it's too strong and doesn't even taste that good. I'd take Duncan Donuts coffee any day over Starbucks.

.... that's my 2 cents on Starbucks !!

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Crap !!   I thought this was a tread about the taste of their coffee.

Personally, I think it's too strong and doesn't even taste that good.  I'd take Duncan Donuts coffee any day over Starbucks.

.... that's my 2 cents on Starbucks !!

I make better coffee at home.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

Hotep Jesus with the reparations coffee was the best thing to come out of all this. Exposes the lunacy in one terrific, teachable moment.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

Hotep Jesus with the reparations coffee was the best thing to come out of all this.  Exposes the lunacy in one terrific, teachable moment.

YES!
I was just about to bring that up.

Black guy walks into Starbucks, asks for free coffee for reparations.
Gets it.
Tells everyone how stupid it is to have such a reaction (along with also saying he's tired of black people being used for political arguments and talking points)

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Did the men say they had no plans to buy anything the entire time they were there, or just waiting on the third person before ordering?

My point is there can be two sides. In a predominately black city, the manager has surely dealt with black people loitering in his Starbucks, and it's probably a problem. Are you really going to say if it was two white men there is no chance they would have been treated differently, no chance they would be given more than 2 minutes? I'm not going to claim to know what it's like to live as a black man in America, I can only go on my experiences with a few friends and co-workers, and things they've told me. They don't complain, they don't cry racism, they just make a strong case - they are often treated differently, in mostly subtle ways. It is not absurd to think the manager was at least either just afraid, or bigoted, not necessarily without reason. It's also not unreasonable to believe the two men were justified in pushing the issue enough to force an arrest, just to make a point.

I think both sides could have handled this better, but apparently one side may have just had enough.

By their own admission, they were told it was paying customers only and he simply left the conversation (implying he didn't want to purchase anything) and sat down with his friend. They said the manager came up to them and asked if she could take their order, and he said that they brought their own water into the store--that they were "fine". Then he said that he was waiting for a meeting and would be "out really quick". Seems obvious to me that they didn't want to purchase anything.

Your argument requires that we believe:
1.) The manager was racially biased
2.) The manager wanted them to leave rather than purchasing anything
3.) The manager's decision was based partially or completely because of race
4.) The manager wouldn't have done the same to white customers not wanting to do business
5.) The customer's behavior didn't contribute to the request to leave

If you say that you believe all of the above are correct, then you're asking us to assume all of the worst-case scenarios happened which is the most unlikely scenario. If you say one of these scenarios are incorrect, then I'm not sure how you come to the conclusion that it was racially motivated. This leads me to believe that the most likely scenario is probably what happens most... the customers got upset at the manager's request purchase something instead of getting their way.

Your post is filled with anecdotal evidence. Some of my very own experience would suggest otherwise. It isn't unreasonable to believe someone would force officers to arrest them for something I'm sure they didn't want to get arrest for. I've seen it hundred of times, especially with businesses. Customers feel entitled to service and refuse to leave until they get it. They think that they can bully the employees and eventually the police into getting their way. It often leads to an arrest.

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Can you even get black coffee at Starbucks?

No idea never been to a Starbucks

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They were asked to do business or leave. They refused to comply with Starbucks' request. They're in a busy part of Philadelphia; it isn't like they have empty space for non-paying customers.

When the police show up, they were confrontational and again refused to do business or leave. The police are even saying that they were insulting and uncooperative.

Are we really suggesting that it's racist to kick out a non-paying customer now? C'mon

 
Man you hate minorities.

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Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.

Crap !!   I thought this was a tread about the taste of their coffee.

Personally, I think it's too strong and doesn't even taste that good.  I'd take Duncan Donuts coffee any day over Starbucks.

.... that's my 2 cents on Starbucks !!

What’s weird is Dunkin has excellent food but their coffee is horrible (More like hot chocolate milk), Starbucks has the better coffee but their food is prepackaged junk that looks like they brought from Wal Mart & just slapped a starbuck sticker over it.

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Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.

I hate coffee.

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They were asked to do business or leave. They refused to comply with Starbucks' request. They're in a busy part of Philadelphia; it isn't like they have empty space for non-paying customers.

When the police show up, they were confrontational and again refused to do business or leave. The police are even saying that they were insulting and uncooperative.

Are we really suggesting that it's racist to kick out a non-paying customer now? C'mon

 
Man you hate minorities.

clockwork

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

Did the men say they had no plans to buy anything the entire time they were there, or just waiting on the third person before ordering?

My point is there can be two sides. In a predominately black city, the manager has surely dealt with black people loitering in his Starbucks, and it's probably a problem. Are you really going to say if it was two white men there is no chance they would have been treated differently, no chance they would be given more than 2 minutes? I'm not going to claim to know what it's like to live as a black man in America, I can only go on my experiences with a few friends and co-workers, and things they've told me. They don't complain, they don't cry racism, they just make a strong case - they are often treated differently, in mostly subtle ways. It is not absurd to think the manager was at least either just afraid, or bigoted, not necessarily without reason. It's also not unreasonable to believe the two men were justified in pushing the issue enough to force an arrest, just to make a point.

I think both sides could have handled this better, but apparently one side may have just had enough.

By their own admission, they were told it was paying customers only and he simply left the conversation (implying he didn't want to purchase anything) and sat down with his friend. They said the manager came up to them and asked if she could take their order, and he said that they brought their own water into the store--that they were "fine". Then he said that he was waiting for a meeting and would be "out really quick". Seems obvious to me that they didn't want to purchase anything.

Your argument requires that we believe:
1.) The manager was racially biased
2.) The manager wanted them to leave rather than purchasing anything
3.) The manager's decision was based partially or completely because of race
4.) The manager wouldn't have done the same to white customers not wanting to do business
5.) The customer's behavior didn't contribute to the request to leave

If you say that you believe all of the above are correct, then you're asking us to assume all of the worst-case scenarios happened which is the most unlikely scenario. If you say one of these scenarios are incorrect, then I'm not sure how you come to the conclusion that it was racially motivated. This leads me to believe that the most likely scenario is probably what happens most... the customers got upset at the manager's request purchase something instead of getting their way.

Your post is filled with anecdotal evidence. Some of my very own experience would suggest otherwise. It isn't unreasonable to believe someone would force officers to arrest them for something I'm sure they didn't want to get arrest for. I've seen it hundred of times, especially with businesses. Customers feel entitled to service and refuse to leave until they get it. They think that they can bully the employees and eventually the police into getting their way. It often leads to an arrest.

Well done list, except 1, 3 and 4 are essentially the same thing. It is possible the manager was at least biased in his assessment that the 2 men were not there to buy something for the duration of their visit, and that's all it takes for my scenario to be possible.

Filled with anecdotal evidence? I did not give a single anecdote. What you apparently meant was my opinion is based on the anecdotes of people who have experienced the type of thing we're discussing here. I'm sorry, but what they tell me bears more weight with me than your experiences. My black friends and co-workers weren't political activists, or even complaining. They were just relating what happened to them.

 I have no idea how you managed to be a police officer in the south and still think racial bias is rare, but it is what it is.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
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Man you hate minorities.

clockwork

Ditto

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

According to what I have read....the police were called within 2 minutes of the customers arriving. 2 minutes.

The manager that made the call has already left the company and they're shutting down for a day costing themselves a ton of money.

I've had customers yell at me for more than two straight minutes, threaten to shoot me, threaten to stab me, etc..... And the police have never arrested any of them. They've come out, asked both parties what happened and have never made an arrest once.

Racism is a huge issue and to pretend like it had nothing to do with this situation is just swimming further in denial.

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Coughlin when asked if winning will be a focus: "What the hell else is there? This is nice and dandy, but winning is what all this is about."

According to what I have read....the police were called within 2 minutes of the customers arriving. 2 minutes.

The manager that made the call has already left the company and they're shutting down for a day costing themselves a ton of money.

I've had customers yell at me for more than two straight minutes, threaten to shoot me, threaten to stab me, etc..... And the police have never arrested any of them. They've come out, asked both parties what happened and have never made an arrest once.

Racism is a huge issue and to pretend like it had nothing to do with this situation is just swimming further in denial.

I think instantly pretending that race is a factor when one party is anything but white is dangerous and pretending that we are no better than 50 years ago. Don’t let the media dumb it down to some perceived epidemic. Identity politics and agenda is insulting to Americans in general. None of the factors you mention makes this racial. It just differs from your personal experience.

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According to what I have read....the police were called within 2 minutes of the customers arriving. 2 minutes.

The manager that made the call has already left the company and they're shutting down for a day costing themselves a ton of money.

I've had customers yell at me for more than two straight minutes, threaten to shoot me, threaten to stab me, etc..... And the police have never arrested any of them. They've come out, asked both parties what happened and have never made an arrest once.

Racism is a huge issue and to pretend like it had nothing to do with this situation is just swimming further in denial.

I think instantly pretending that race is a factor when one party is anything but white is dangerous and pretending that we are no better than 50 years ago. Don’t let the media dumb it down to some perceived epidemic. Identity politics and agenda is insulting to Americans in general. None of the factors you mention makes this racial. It just differs from your personal experience.

Can we prove it was racism? No

Is it probable? Yes

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Coughlin when asked if winning will be a focus: "What the hell else is there? This is nice and dandy, but winning is what all this is about."