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National Anthem Part II - 2018 Season

#21

Land of the free and home of the paranoid. Down with rules. Down with laws. Anarchy!
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#22

(05-24-2018, 09:30 AM)Achilles Wrote:
(05-24-2018, 08:32 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: No one cares.

Just like no one cared about the crazies who stopped because of the kneeling.

You're all frigging lunatics.

Super intelligent response.

Super intelligent use of the word Super. Totally cool bro.

No one cares about your lunacy.. thems just straight facts bro.
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#23

The NFL probably needed to get out in front of this issue or face another season of political upheaval and fan backlash.

I do have a problem with Shad's "social justice" statement. Social justice has nothing to do with actual justice. It's a code word for compelled speech and forced behavior.
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#24

(05-24-2018, 10:01 AM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: The NFL probably needed to get out in front of this issue or face another season of political upheaval and fan backlash.

I do have a problem with Shad's "social justice" statement.  Social justice has nothing to do with actual justice.  It's a code word for compelled speech and forced behavior.
Get out in front?

Dude. They were screwed no matter what they did. Now, instead of cameras on people kneeling, there will be cameras on people coming out of the locker room late. My Capitals made it to a Cup final but everyone is talking about the new anthem policy. They will talk about it and argue about it for months. This isn't going to get better.
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#25
(This post was last modified: 05-24-2018, 10:22 AM by Jamies_fried_chicken.)

The owners have demanded to have the voices of the players protesting be silenced, by keeping them in the locker room where they cant be seen or heard.

"Why are black people always rioting, can they protest in peace?"

Black people silently protesting taking a knee during the national anthem against police brutality- " They shouldn't be protesting, they hate the military, go somewhere else with that crap."

End result- Confine all the protesters to a enclosed area where they cant be seen or heard and silencing their voice.
Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.
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#26

The players should get around the rule by declaring that they will protest by standing during the anthem.
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#27

(05-24-2018, 10:17 AM)Jamies_fried_chicken Wrote: The owners have demanded to have the voices of the players protesting be silenced, by keeping them in the locker room where they cant be seen or heard.

"Why are black people always rioting, can they protest in peace?"

Black people silently protesting taking a knee during the national anthem against police brutality- " They shouldn't be protesting, they hate the military, go somewhere else with that crap."

End result- Confine all the protesters to a enclosed area where they cant be seen or heard and silencing their voice.

First off, the anthem at the beginning of an NFL game is not the place to protest. Police brutality has nothing to do with the NFL, America in general, or the Federal government. That's like picketing McDonalds because of something you find offensive at Target. Protesting during the anthem comes across first and foremost a statement of hating the US. Claiming it's for an unrelated "good cause" is either dishonest or moronic.

Secondly, your #1 spokesperson and the guy who started this (probably he started it because he was upset at being benched for Blaine Gabbert and originally had nothing to do with the police) was protesting police brutality while wearing a Castro shirt. How clueless can this movement be if that's the case?



                                                                          

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#28
(This post was last modified: 05-24-2018, 12:19 PM by HandsomeRob86.)

(05-23-2018, 11:34 PM)Achilles Wrote: Unless this changes, I'll no longer be watching the NFL.

The players were never kneeling to disrespect the flag or veterans. The players were kneeling to bring awareness to the mistreatment of minorities in this country. The owners went behind the player's and the players Union's backs in an attempt to suppress them.

Look at the Sterling Brown video released today. That's why the players kneel.( Kneeling, by the way, as we all should know was suggested originally to kaep by a green beret.) The focus was perverted by NFL owners, trump, and the media to discredit the movement. Racism and mistreatment of black people is still rampant and these athletes are constitutionally allowed to kneel.

"If there is any fixed star in our Constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein. …We think the action of the local authorities in compelling the flag salute and pledge transcends constitutional limitations on their power and invades the sphere of intellect and spirit which it is the purpose of the First Amendment to our Constitution to reserve from all official control.”
-
Justice Robert Jackson of the US supreme Court

Don't give me the crap about them being "allowed" to stay in the locker room. That's being suppressed by your superiors for your beliefs.
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Oh and you will be back, just like all the people who said they would boycott cause of the protests in the first place. Why even make this statement?


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#29

(05-24-2018, 10:17 AM)Jamies_fried_chicken Wrote: The owners have demanded to have the voices of the players protesting be silenced, by keeping them in the locker room where they cant be seen or heard.

"Why are black people always rioting, can they protest in peace?"

Black people silently protesting taking a knee during the national anthem against police brutality- " They shouldn't be protesting, they hate the military, go somewhere else with that crap."

End result- Confine all the protesters to a enclosed area where they cant be seen or heard and silencing their voice.

Protesting should be done on your own time, not your employers. Go kneel outside on the sidewalk whenever you want to, but if you're on the clock then you're my agent and will act according to my requirements.
“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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#30

(05-24-2018, 01:16 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(05-24-2018, 10:17 AM)Jamies_fried_chicken Wrote: The owners have demanded to have the voices of the players protesting be silenced, by keeping them in the locker room where they cant be seen or heard.

"Why are black people always rioting, can they protest in peace?"

Black people silently protesting taking a knee during the national anthem against police brutality- " They shouldn't be protesting, they hate the military, go somewhere else with that crap."

End result- Confine all the protesters to a enclosed area where they cant be seen or heard and silencing their voice.

Protesting should be done on your own time, not your employers. Go kneel outside on the sidewalk whenever you want to, but if you're on the clock then you're my agent and will act according to my requirements.

Exactly... and if you don't like the requirements, you're free to find employment elsewhere. That's the beauty of America.
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#31
(This post was last modified: 05-25-2018, 11:40 AM by Cleatwood.)

(05-24-2018, 01:29 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote:
(05-24-2018, 01:16 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Protesting should be done on your own time, not your employers. Go kneel outside on the sidewalk whenever you want to, but if you're on the clock then you're my agent and will act according to my requirements.

Exactly... and if you don't like the requirements, you're free to find employment elsewhere. That's the beauty of America.
Well the NFL is nothing like any other job in the world. You can't equate normal every day jobs to this league.

There were 100's of NFL players kneeling so how come 99% of them are still employed?
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#32

(05-25-2018, 11:39 AM)Cleatwood Wrote:
(05-24-2018, 01:29 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: Exactly... and if you don't like the requirements, you're free to find employment elsewhere. That's the beauty of America.
Well the NFL is nothing like any other job in the world. You can't equate normal every day jobs to this league.

There were 100's of NFL players kneeling so how come 99% of them are still employed?

Because the NFL didn't address the issue last year, a situation that's now been rectified at the league and team levels.
“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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#33

(05-25-2018, 11:45 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(05-25-2018, 11:39 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: Well the NFL is nothing like any other job in the world. You can't equate normal every day jobs to this league.

There were 100's of NFL players kneeling so how come 99% of them are still employed?

Because the NFL didn't address the issue last year, a situation that's now been rectified at the league and team levels.
Is it rectified? Instead of cameras on the players kneeling, they will now focus on the locker room to watch players walk out. It's the same thing.

Tom Brady could kneel in game 1 and the Pats will do absolutely nothing about it. Ramsey could kneel game 1 and you think the Jags would do something?

Our day jobs are nothing like these NFL players so saying things like "Hey. You try protesting at your job and see what happens" makes no sense.
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#34

(05-25-2018, 11:49 AM)Cleatwood Wrote:
(05-25-2018, 11:45 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Because the NFL didn't address the issue last year, a situation that's now been rectified at the league and team levels.
Is it rectified? Instead of cameras on the players kneeling, they will now focus on the locker room to watch players walk out. It's the same thing.

Tom Brady could kneel in game 1 and the Pats will do absolutely nothing about it. Ramsey could kneel game 1 and you think the Jags would do something?

Our day jobs are nothing like these NFL players so saying things like "Hey. You try protesting at your job and see what happens" makes no sense.

Yes, penalties and fines are the appropriate response. Providing the players an alternative to the distastefulness they seem to have for having to stand for a minute and act like they respect the flag and country is more than sufficient for this to move out of the way and let the game move on to the entertainment it's supposed to be.
“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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#35

(05-25-2018, 11:49 AM)Cleatwood Wrote:
(05-25-2018, 11:45 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Because the NFL didn't address the issue last year, a situation that's now been rectified at the league and team levels.
Is it rectified? Instead of cameras on the players kneeling, they will now focus on the locker room to watch players walk out. It's the same thing.

Tom Brady could kneel in game 1 and the Pats will do absolutely nothing about it. Ramsey could kneel game 1 and you think the Jags would do something?

Our day jobs are nothing like these NFL players so saying things like "Hey. You try protesting at your job and see what happens" makes no sense.

Lol.. if you want to think they're special, go right ahead.

At the end of the day, they are just dumb jocks who would fail at anything else.
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#36
(This post was last modified: 05-25-2018, 12:27 PM by Cleatwood.)

(05-25-2018, 12:06 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote:
(05-25-2018, 11:49 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: Is it rectified? Instead of cameras on the players kneeling, they will now focus on the locker room to watch players walk out. It's the same thing.

Tom Brady could kneel in game 1 and the Pats will do absolutely nothing about it. Ramsey could kneel game 1 and you think the Jags would do something?

Our day jobs are nothing like these NFL players so saying things like "Hey. You try protesting at your job and see what happens" makes no sense.

Lol.. if you want to think they're special, go right ahead.

At the end of the day, they are just dumb jocks who would fail at anything else.
lol You're clueless.

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#37

In the end, it's always about money. Too many owners heard I'M DONE from a lot of longtime season ticket holders, especially veterans.

I say ban SJW girlfriends and the problem would go away.
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#38

(05-23-2018, 12:23 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: Forced Patriotism is not Patriotism

Agreed but it's about business not patriotism.

(05-23-2018, 11:34 PM)Achilles Wrote: The players were never kneeling to disrespect the flag or veterans. 
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Don't give me the crap about them being "allowed" to stay in the locker room. That's being suppressed by your superiors for your beliefs.

You can't attribute a noble cause to something inherently insulting and pretend that they're not disrespecting that person / group. 

Of course they're opinions are being suppressed. It's making their employers angry. If you owned a business, and your employees disrupted business and made customers angry for personal protests, you'd allow them to do that?


(05-24-2018, 10:17 AM)Jamies_fried_chicken Wrote: The owners have demanded to have the voices of the players protesting be silenced, by keeping them in the locker room where they cant be seen or heard.

"Why are black people always rioting, can they protest in peace?"

Black people silently protesting taking a knee during the national anthem against police brutality- " They shouldn't be protesting, they hate the military, go somewhere else with that crap."

End result- Confine all the protesters to a enclosed area where they cant be seen or heard and silencing their voice.

So, black people riot because they can't protest on someone else's dime? 

Police brutality isn't a systematic problem, so the protest is stupid and divisive. Do you feel entitled to the right to protest while under the employ of someone else?
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#39

(05-23-2018, 11:34 PM)Achilles Wrote: Unless this changes, I'll no longer be watching the NFL.

The players were never kneeling to disrespect the flag or veterans. The players were kneeling to bring awareness to the mistreatment of minorities in this country. The owners went behind the player's and the players Union's backs in an attempt to suppress them.

Look at the Sterling Brown video released today. That's why the players kneel.( Kneeling, by the way, as we all should know was suggested originally to kaep by a green beret.) The focus was perverted by NFL owners, trump, and the media to discredit the movement. Racism and mistreatment of black people is still rampant and these athletes are constitutionally allowed to kneel.

"If there is any fixed star in our Constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein. …We think the action of the local authorities in compelling the flag salute and pledge transcends constitutional limitations on their power and invades the sphere of intellect and spirit which it is the purpose of the First Amendment to our Constitution to reserve from all official control.”
-
Justice Robert Jackson of the US supreme Court

Don't give me the crap about them being "allowed" to stay in the locker room. That's being suppressed by your superiors for your beliefs.


The justice was referring to government officials, not private business owners.
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#40

The NFL let this go on for a year, an entire YEAR. They even offered millions upon millions of dollars to certain causes to partner with the players on their "causes." This is the new Jim Crow? This is the return to the plantation? Does anyone even know the action steps these guys are advocating? Has there been a real discussion about a cost benefit analysis to the kind of Parkland style social engineering? Have they put forth a real tangible alternative to the money bail system? This has, predictably, devolved into a debate about kneeling itself (and most advocates still get the legalities of that totally wrong) and in reality that is serving as a fig leaf for the lack of substance from our current crop of neo-Marxists.

To put it simply, the answer to perceived blanket classifications (racism) isn't a counter system of blanket accusations (dissing the entire country that feeds clothes and houses the whinny genetic freak millionaires.)
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