What are the ridiculous laws?

It’s a rather long list of self made laws and EU adopted ones. My favorites are the stop and search, anti-porn,and new knife laws.

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Can you tell us more about the laws and why you don't agree with them?

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Can you tell us more about the laws and why you don't agree with them?

Appreciate your deflection and no. There is no opinion I can provide that would make a lick of sense to someone who believes keeping a screwdriver or pliers out of the hands of a kid is a vital component to public safety.

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So it's something you've picked up off someone like Hannity?

Shame, thought we were going to improve the discussion but it's just some soundbite or blog you are parroting.

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So it's something you've picked up off someone like Hannity?

Shame, thought we were going to improve the discussion but it's just some soundbite or blog you are parroting.

Certainly not the way to “improve the discussion” as you put it. FYI, not everyone reads or watches mainstream news outlets. Speaking of unoriginal thought, the whole Fox versus CNN or any other outlet is just old and plain worn out. Adopt another shtick. My choosing not to share a further response has zero to do with lack of substance and is a polite way of letting you know our opinions will obviously not align and I do not wish to partake in useless bickering that detracts even further from the original post. Boy, these “discussions” get childish in a hurry. I’ll bow out.

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Of course gun control laws won't work if you can drive a few miles into Indiana and buy a gun with less restriction.

That is not how it works unless you are just wanting a BB gun. The ATF website and your states sheriff or agriculture website will break down the requirements and legalities for ya.

Do you dispute this report? It quotes an ATF agent, btw.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

That is not how it works unless you are just wanting a BB gun. The ATF website and your states sheriff or agriculture website will break down the requirements and legalities for ya.

Do you dispute this report? It quotes an ATF agent, btw.

The assumption was that you meant legal purchases. Dispute what? That there are people illegally acquiring guns? Precisely why when we hear the term "common sense gun control," logical folks cringe. If the surrounding states don't suffer from the same gun-related violence with fewer restrictions, it sounds like law enforcement vs. crime problem, not a gun problem. Criminals are gonna criminal!

I wonder if these initiatives had any effect? Probably not.

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the...d-make-our

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It's not 100% about the Laws but rather then enforcement and penalties associated with violating the Laws.

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Do you dispute this report? It quotes an ATF agent, btw.

The assumption was that you meant legal purchases. Dispute what? That there are people illegally acquiring guns? Precisely why when we hear the term "common sense gun control," logical folks cringe. If the surrounding states don't suffer from the same gun-related violence with fewer restrictions, it sounds like law enforcement vs. crime problem, not a gun problem. Criminals are gonna criminal!

I wonder if these initiatives had any effect? Probably not.

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the...d-make-our

My point, from which you deflect, was lax or ineffective gun control laws in an adjoining state render local laws ineffective. The topic of this thread was that, despite strict gun control laws, gun violence was out of control in Chicago. I merely pointed out one reason why that may be true.

I'm pretty sure your arms flailed just a little when responding and, true to form, you invoked Obama. Always invoke Obama, it's in the playbook.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

The assumption was that you meant legal purchases. Dispute what? That there are people illegally acquiring guns? Precisely why when we hear the term "common sense gun control," logical folks cringe. If the surrounding states don't suffer from the same gun-related violence with fewer restrictions, it sounds like law enforcement vs. crime problem, not a gun problem. Criminals are gonna criminal!

I wonder if these initiatives had any effect? Probably not.

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the...d-make-our

My point, from which you deflect, was lax or ineffective gun control laws in an adjoining state render local laws ineffective. The topic of this thread was that, despite strict gun control laws, gun violence was out of control in Chicago. I merely pointed out one reason why that may be true.

I'm pretty sure your arms flailed just a little when responding and, true to form, you invoked Obama. Always invoke Obama, it's in the playbook.

I love how people on here think that being an [BLEEP] reinforces a point. Usually means they are all out of any type of reasoning. Anyways, the one reason you provided is nonsensical and does not remotely establish causation.

So you used a story from 2014 to support your point that lax or ineffective gun controls laws are the issue? Why ignore current laws? Also, don't ignore the fact that the single largest supplier (40%) of illegal firearms in Chicago is actually Illinois. In general, the issue is that criminals don't care about laws and then you deflect from the fact that the adjoining states with these so-called "weak" laws aren't suffering the same fate.

I provided merely one bit of executive material, regardless of who was President. The Trump / Obama / Hillary / Fox News / CNN thing is getting old. If you read just that one fact sheet I provided, you may be able to educate yourself by going down the rabbit hole. You'll find tons of material that addresses your "issue" and many others. Feel free to review the gun control/law repository that is the ATF. A link was provided earlier.

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The assumption was that you meant legal purchases. Dispute what? That there are people illegally acquiring guns? Precisely why when we hear the term "common sense gun control," logical folks cringe. If the surrounding states don't suffer from the same gun-related violence with fewer restrictions, it sounds like law enforcement vs. crime problem, not a gun problem. Criminals are gonna criminal!

I wonder if these initiatives had any effect? Probably not.

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the...d-make-our

My point, from which you deflect, was lax or ineffective gun control laws in an adjoining state render local laws ineffective. The topic of this thread was that, despite strict gun control laws, gun violence was out of control in Chicago. I merely pointed out one reason why that may be true.

I'm pretty sure your arms flailed just a little when responding and, true to form, you invoked Obama. Always invoke Obama, it's in the playbook.

When the main alternative being proposed by the gun control crowd is Obama (or someone with essentially the same policies) then it's reasonable to invoke his record.

But to counter your argument, beside illegal weapons Chicago is also rife with illegal drugs. If a criminal in Chicago can find heroin, which is illegal in all 50 states, he could certainly find a gun even if Indiana made all firearms totally illegal.

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

My point, from which you deflect, was lax or ineffective gun control laws in an adjoining state render local laws ineffective. The topic of this thread was that, despite strict gun control laws, gun violence was out of control in Chicago. I merely pointed out one reason why that may be true.

I'm pretty sure your arms flailed just a little when responding and, true to form, you invoked Obama. Always invoke Obama, it's in the playbook.

I love how people on here think that being an [BLEEP] reinforces a point. Usually means they are all out of any type of reasoning. Anyways, the one reason you provided is nonsensical and does not remotely establish causation.

So you used a story from 2014 to support your point that lax or ineffective gun controls laws are the issue? Why ignore current laws? Also, don't ignore the fact that the single largest supplier (40%) of illegal firearms in Chicago is actually Illinois. In general, the issue is that criminals don't care about laws and then you deflect from the fact that the adjoining states with these so-called "weak" laws aren't suffering the same fate.

I provided merely one bit of executive material, regardless of who was President. The Trump / Obama / Hillary / Fox News / CNN thing is getting old. If you read just that one fact sheet I provided, you may be able to educate yourself by going down the rabbit hole. You'll find tons of material that addresses your "issue" and many others. Feel free to review the gun control/law repository that is the ATF. A link was provided earlier.

I did not look at your link but what I do know is that you can not legally buy a handgun in a state that you are not a citizen of and take possession in that state, perhaps maybe from a private seller, but not from a gun shop...In some states you can buy shotguns and rifles as a non resident, but most of the laws say you have to have a federally licensed firearms dealer in the state you are purchasing the firearm in, send the firearm to another federally licensed firearm dealer in your state of residence where you can pick it up...You still have the same federal and state BG checks and waiting period before approval to buy the gun...So if you want to buy a firearm in Indiana and ship it to Chicago you it's probably going to be a pain in the [BLEEP], if it can even done...As I said above private purchases may be different, and gun shows always have major loop holes in them too, but with an Illinois ID, you aren't going to be buying a gun in Indiana and taking it back home to Chicago

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Apply for a Firearms Owners' Identification (FOID) Card - Illinois.gov
https://www2.illinois.gov/residents/heal...y/ISP/foid
To legally possess firearms or ammunition, Illinois residents must have a Firearm Owners Identification (FOID) card, which is issued by the Illinois State Polic.

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I just don't understand why Indiana isn't a gang banger and murder hellhole like Chicago if their lax gun laws are such a problem.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Probably because poverty is a big trigger. Canada and Switzerland can probably handle the guns better due to their people being wealthier.

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Probably because poverty is a big trigger. Canada and Switzerland can probably handle the guns better due to their people being wealthier.

Define "wealthier".

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

So we can't let poor people have guns because it makes them murder other people. Got it.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Probably because poverty is a big trigger. Canada and Switzerland can probably handle the guns better due to their people being wealthier.

So you're just a troll looking for validation on the internet.

Now I get it.

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Probably because poverty is a big trigger. Canada and Switzerland can probably handle the guns better due to their people being wealthier.

So you're just a troll looking for validation on the internet.

Now I get it.

Sorry, but citizens of Canada and Switzerland are less likely to be impoverished.

As far as I'm aware? Tell me If my statement is wrong. I don't get my news from Hannity so I may be mistaken.

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So you're just a troll looking for validation on the internet.

Now I get it.

Sorry, but citizens of Canada and Switzerland are less likely to be impoverished.

As far as I'm aware? Tell me If my statement is wrong. I don't get my news from Hannity so I may be mistaken.

You are probably right, although I think there's a big cultural factor in there too. If you just take the statistics of Americans of European descent the murder rate is comparable to Europe. There's a large overlap between poverty and culture, so it's not clear which factor is dominant. There are some relatively poor countries that have a low murder rate.

But that still doesn't explain the large difference between the murder rate in Chicago as compared to Houston, a comparable sized city with similar economic, racial, and ethnic makeup. The only glaring difference between those two cities is in the gun laws.

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"