I just want to get this straight, was Laura Bush a Pro-Choice hypocrite when she called the policy of separating children from their parents "cruel" and "immoral"?

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
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Is this a Clinton or Obama policy? Maybe it's the Democrats en masse! You can't decide which. If it is one of their fault it's happening and it's bad then why doesn't he just grab his pen and make it happen? Remember, you lack consistency and love executive orders now. Or I'll just leave this here:

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/06.../23462120/

If you decide you don't like that angle or just think it's perfectly fine to rip children from their parents because you love you some strong armed justice, than at least realize (I know self reflection was brainwashed out of most of you a long time ago) that There are plenty of studies showing the long term effect of children who are taking away from their parent and those don't even consider being thrown in cages during the separation. The party who claims to "the party of family values" thinks this is ok. Heck you might even be like Laura Ingram who thinks it's just a day camp!

Maybe you are the special type of reich winger thinks they are child actors.

Maybe this is just a trump policy to attempt to force the left, the people that actually care about people not of their tribe, to fund his stupid wall. Maybe it's his way of trying to impress the brutal dictators that murder their own people, opposing politicians and jounralists, that he lavishes praise upon for being "tough" or "strong". Either this is hostage situation or a human rights violation. Possibly even both.

One would think, when your policy position draws the votes, support, and praise fromf groups like white nationalists, the alt-right, the KKK, Nazi sympathizers etc.. that one would look inwardly and wonder why that is the case instead of picking your preferred method to spin repugnant policy into being a good thing. Modern conservatism has no sense of moral's. Zero ability to self-reflect on their tribal nature. Zero constancy.

That's a lot of words to say nothing. Or is it your’re desperate to assign blame while ignoring the last few decades? The quicker you have finally figured out this is a non-partisan issue ( I know, your party told you differently), the quicker you can suggest a course of action. You realize many of the lawmakers current in office were there long before Trump, and this problem was there long before Trump. It's easy to scream morality, or this is so wrong...okay how does it get fixed? An open border free for all? All law get cast aside? If it were so cut and dry, you'd think it would be a nonissue after 200 years.

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I just want to get this straight, was Laura Bush a Pro-Choice hypocrite when she called the policy of separating children from their parents "cruel" and "immoral"?

I saw someone else post about abortion/child separation and it was equally stupid. Can we stop with the false equivalencies?

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Just so I'm clear, we don't have a better solution? Because it seems like everyone that's upset with this one should have a better one on the table.

If these people crossed at a station and applied for amnesty, they wouldn't be separated from each other. Who is to blame here?

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Just so I'm clear, we don't have a better solution? Because it seems like everyone that's upset with this one should have a better one on the table.

If these people crossed at a station and applied for amnesty, they wouldn't be separated from each other. Who is to blame here?

This is nothing new.  If "parents" choose to break the law by installing a meth lab in their home and get caught, guess what?  The children are removed while the "parents" undergo criminal proceedings.  This is the same thing.  Children are removed from their parents because said parents broke the law by coming into this country illegally.  These aren't kids/families that arrived at designated border crossings, these are kids/families that have crossed the border illegally and many times they aren't "families", the children are used to "increase the likelihood" that these illegal aliens will be granted amnesty.

As someone who grew up in the southwest in a border state (New Mexico) I can tell you that there are THOUSANDS of them here and deporting them is no issue to them.  I remember my time as a Deputy Sheriff arresting illegals for whatever reason and telling them I was turning them over to immigration authorities and that they would be deported.  More often than not they laughed and said that they would be back on the first train headed north.

The thing is, my experience was back in the 80's.  Nothing has changed.

This whole "separating children from parents" and "breaking up families" thing is one big huge nothing-burger.  It happens every day when "parents" break the law.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

So those who bleat on about the traditional family model are happy with separating kids from parents?

Why am I not surprised.

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So those who bleat on about the traditional family model are happy with separating kids from parents?

Why am I not surprised.

You’d be hard pressed to find anyone say the situation is sunshine and rainbows. You will find some with a thinking ability to weigh the whole situation, not just the new emotional outrage. I still haven’t seen a proposed fix, just folks poking their head in to join the emotional roller coaster.

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In this case the solution is worse than the problem.

So obviously not much thinking happening.

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You know trouble is right around the corner when your best friend tells you to hold his beer!!

Do people actually understand that the cartels flood the border with these people in order to expedite getting drugs through? Screening them is necessary, and a lot of the time, the kids don't even belong to the "parents" they are coming across with. Oh, and these "cages" they are in are processing centers they spend less than 2 hours in before going to the "concentration camps" the fake news told you about.

Why would you not want your border patrol to do their job?

BTW, Cryin' Chuck could end this today if he wanted, but it is important to keep this issue as a hot topic for the mid terms because the Democrats are morally bankrupt people.

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So those who bleat on about the traditional family model are happy with separating kids from parents?

Why am I not surprised.

Of course as usual you are just being contrary. Why am I also not surprised?

In what world is a family illegally crossing the boarder of another country, exposing themselves and their children to possible death considered anything close to "Traditional family model"? In America it would be considered child endangerment and the child would be removed from such irresponsible criminals for their own safety. Children are separated from criminals all the time.

Do they let negligent criminal parents hold onto their children down under?

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Looking to troll? Don't bother, we supply our own.

 

 

Better than all the anti abortion morality police emptying the orphanages.

It isn't a matter of whether or not these families are ever granted asylum into the US. It is mind [BLEEP] young kids who have no say in what happens to them. If our policy is to turn away 100% of the people trying to get in, it is a far cry from our founding principles, but it can be done with decency. This is wholly unnecessary and a practice this administration is clearly choosing to employ unilaterally. It speaks volumes about whonwe are as a people to treat kids this way.

Just to be clear, for the last 45 years you and your ilk have advocated for and cheered depriving an entire class of children any constitutional rights EXPRESSLY FOR THE PURPOSE of mass arbitrary EXECUTION.  This has resulted in the deaths of more than 50 million American children and will be considered one of the greatest sins to ever blight the soul of humanity.  

Conversely, even the current "crisis" is a part of our country EXTENDING constitutional protections and due process rights to millions and millions of people who WERE NOT born here or by blood to American citizens.  

The criminal justice system can be harsh, but it can be harsh for migrants and citizens alike.  Any family unit of citizens where the parents were taken into pre-trial detention or other criminal proceedings would see the children become wards of the state until the issue was resolved.  It happens every day for offenses much less egregious on their face than illegally violating the sovereign border of our nation.

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Is this a Clinton or Obama policy? Maybe it's the Democrats en masse! You can't decide which. If it is one of their fault it's happening and it's bad then why doesn't he just grab his pen and make it happen? Remember, you lack consistency and love executive orders now. Or I'll just leave this here:

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/06.../23462120/

If you decide you don't like that angle or just think it's perfectly fine to rip children from their parents because you love you some strong armed justice, than at least realize (I know self reflection was brainwashed out of most of you a long time ago) that There are plenty of studies showing the long term effect of children who are taking away from their parent and those don't even consider being thrown in cages during the separation. The party who claims to "the party of family values" thinks this is ok. Heck you might even be like Laura Ingram who thinks it's just a day camp!

Maybe you are the special type of reich winger thinks they are child actors.

Maybe this is just a trump policy to attempt to force the left, the people that actually care about people not of their tribe, to fund his stupid wall. Maybe it's his way of trying to impress the brutal dictators that murder their own people, opposing politicians and jounralists, that he lavishes praise upon for being "tough" or "strong". Either this is hostage situation or a human rights violation. Possibly even both.

One would think, when your policy position draws the votes, support, and praise fromf groups like white nationalists, the alt-right, the KKK, Nazi sympathizers etc.. that one would look inwardly and wonder why that is the case instead of picking your preferred method to spin repugnant policy into being a good thing. Modern conservatism has no sense of moral's. Zero ability to self-reflect on their tribal nature. Zero constancy.

That sad thing is you think the left cares about people.

The left sees other races, and all other ethnicities as less than them. That's why they supplement them. Give them handouts. Let them work menial, meaningless jobs their entire lives.

The right sees other races as equals fully capable of being great on their own merit - they can improve themselves. They can be great. So we don't just allow them to exist in poverty by giving them just enough. We give them nothing and hope they seize the moment and do what NEEDs to be done. And if they decide to commit a crime instead of work their [BLEEP] off like Dr. Ben Carson as just one example.... they don't deserve to be in a country where a Shaid Khan can come here with literally nothing and build an empire.

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The left's main objective is to replace Trump voters with illegal voters. They are even on record as saying such.

This is a very short sighted approach that will wreak havoc on our country and economy for decades to come if they are successful.

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Better than all the anti abortion morality police emptying the orphanages.

It isn't a matter of whether or not these families are ever granted asylum into the US. It is mind [BLEEP] young kids who have no say in what happens to them. If our policy is to turn away 100% of the people trying to get in, it is a far cry from our founding principles, but it can be done with decency. This is wholly unnecessary and a practice this administration is clearly choosing to employ unilaterally. It speaks volumes about whonwe are as a people to treat kids this way.

Just to be clear, for the last 45 years you and your ilk have advocated for and cheered depriving an entire class of children any constitutional rights EXPRESSLY FOR THE PURPOSE of mass arbitrary EXECUTION.  This has resulted in the deaths of more than 50 million American children and will be considered one of the greatest sins to ever blight the soul of humanity.  

Conversely, even the current "crisis" is a part of our country EXTENDING constitutional protections and due process rights to millions and millions of people who WERE NOT born here or by blood to American citizens.  

The criminal justice system can be harsh, but it can be harsh for migrants and citizens alike.  Any family unit of citizens where the parents were taken into pre-trial detention or other criminal proceedings would see the children become wards of the state until the issue was resolved.  It happens every day for offenses much less egregious on their face than illegally violating the sovereign border of our nation.

When nothing is evil there can be no sins.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Its already wreaking havoc. Over 90% of all domestic criminal cases are settled by plea bargain because a.) the average person doesn't have access to proper legal defense and b.) Pre trial detention for American Citizens completely isolated people making it nearly impossible to make a phone call in most cases. The idea that we are actually expending this amount of resources to detain and process a backlog of 600k asylums applicants is childish and silly. Discontinue the ban on immediate mom contiguous deportation and keep the families together on the plane.

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Is this a Clinton or Obama policy? Maybe it's the Democrats en masse! You can't decide which. If it is one of their fault it's happening and it's bad then why doesn't he just grab his pen and make it happen? Remember, you lack consistency and love executive orders now. Or I'll just leave this here:

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/06.../23462120/

If you decide you don't like that angle or just think it's perfectly fine to rip children from their parents because you love you some strong armed justice, than at least realize (I know self reflection was brainwashed out of most of you a long time ago) that There are plenty of studies showing the long term effect of children who are taking away from their parent and those don't even consider being thrown in cages during the separation. The party who claims to "the party of family values" thinks this is ok. Heck you might even be like Laura Ingram who thinks it's just a day camp!

Maybe you are the special type of reich winger thinks they are child actors.

Maybe this is just a trump policy to attempt to force the left, the people that actually care about people not of their tribe, to fund his stupid wall. Maybe it's his way of trying to impress the brutal dictators that murder their own people, opposing politicians and jounralists, that he lavishes praise upon for being "tough" or "strong". Either this is hostage situation or a human rights violation. Possibly even both.

One would think, when your policy position draws the votes, support, and praise fromf groups like white nationalists, the alt-right, the KKK, Nazi sympathizers etc.. that one would look inwardly and wonder why that is the case instead of picking your preferred method to spin repugnant policy into being a good thing. Modern conservatism has no sense of moral's. Zero ability to self-reflect on their tribal nature. Zero constancy.

This is a great example of what's wrong with the left.

First, they get the facts wrong... either purposefully through indoctrination, or by sheer ignorance.

There are three branches of government:

Legislative
Executive
Judicial

Legislative - this is Congress.  They ALONE make the laws.  Not your President.  He's next.
Exectutive - this is the President, which includes all the agencies of the executive branch and the military over which he oversees.  They enforce the law.  They do not and cannot create law or change the law.
Judicial - this is the Supreme Court and federal courts below them.  They interpret the law.  They also do not create law, but they can rule law Unconstitutional.

Our President is executing the laws passed by Congress.  If Congress wants to fix anything with the law, it's their and ONLY their responsibility to do so.

If some would prefer we stop enforcing the law - or *selectively* enforce they law, then realize what you're asking for.  Once logic kicks in (or rather, hopefully logic kicks in at this point after realizing how your Government works in the real world per the Constitution) you'd see that enforcement of the law cannot be arbitrary.  Selective enforcement creates discrimination and undermines the law and those who enforce it.  This is what is being referred to as the administrations so-called "policy."

It's not their "policy."  It's their job.

There should be no change in "policy" regarding enforcing or not enforcing our laws.  That would be derelict of duty.

There needs to be a change in law.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

Far too much false narrative being peddled as "truth."

Meanwhile, in the real world...

https://twitter.com/w_terrence/status/10...6666818560

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https://twitter.com/w_terrence/status/10...6666818560

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

I think we need to address why Mexican citizens feel asylum is required. We also need to address why the Mexican government allows pass through of other South American citizens seeking asylum in the U.S..

American citizens vacation to Mexico and it is not a “war zone”. Also does not fit the persecution requirements for asylum.

What are Mexico’s asylum policies?

The fix...The border is closed! We apologize for the inconvenience but our processing system is currently backlogged. Current wait time...1 year, 9 months, 12 days, 4 hours, 15 minures...

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That's another issue the media has muddled. Asylum.

For those seeking asylum legally, children are NOT separated. Only if they have broken the law first, if they have illegally crossed the border prior to asking for asylum (although many aren't even interested in asylum to begin with.)

And the real kicker here... you do NOT have to go to the border to seek asylum. You can do that in any consulate in any country/city where they exist as a refugee. There are also asylum-type programs for those who do not meet the refugee qualification.

What the illegal crossers are expecting to do is to bypass the law. Illegally cross, then seek asylum after. But by then the system loses them. They disappear and do not show to asylum hearings and cannot be found.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

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You know trouble is right around the corner when your best friend tells you to hold his beer!!