(06-28-2018, 02:51 PM)mikesez Wrote:

(06-26-2018, 10:10 AM)pirkster Wrote: Well, well, well... someone agrees with the President that there are -hole countries.  Funny how that works.

Next we'll come to the realization that defending our border would be a good idea.

If we reach advanced thought levels, we'll recognize that without defensible borders, shared language, and shared culture we aren't a country at all.

Perhaps there is hope for the left when logic and facts are applied to problem solving.  Any progress towards a better understanding is a positive step.

Your thoughts are moving too fast and skipping relevant questions along the way.

Are there sh*thole countries? Maybe.  Better question: is it appropriate or helpful for the President to declare that there are sh*thole countries? Even better question: can good people come from bad countries, or are they all tainted?  Of course good, productive people can come from even the most backwards, poor, and downtrodden country.

Is defending our border a good idea? Of course.  Better question: are we already doing so adequately? Isn't the problem more one of people overstaying their visas?

Is a shared language important? Of course. Better question: are immigrants today learning English more slowly or more quickly than previous waves? They are learning English more quickly.

A lot of gymnastics here, which were entirely unnecessary.  You produced no "better" questions, merely distractions from the main points of discussion.

There are legal paths to citizenship, which is our law, which are available to all who seek to come here.  There is no right for anyone to to come here from foreign countries.  That's quite clear cut.  If you'd like to become a citizen of our country, you're welcome to follow the process to achieve citizenship.

We certainly are not adequately defending our border.  Specifically, our southern border.  Overstay of visas is a separate topic entirely.  That also needs to be addressed, and separately.

Most illegals from Central and South America certainly are NOT learning the language.  Those same illegals certainly are not assimilating culture.  Those from other parts of the world are typically taught English along side their native tongue and know it prior to arriving.  That is much more typical of those who are entering legally.  In fact, there is little in common between those who enter legally and illegally.  Those who enter legally typically contribute to society.  Those who enter illegally typically end up being a burden on society rather than contributors.

It's a very myopic lens you're addressing these topics through.  You're not seeing things from a larger, more encompassing, more objective view.  Which, explains the attempted diversion.  You didn't rebut anything I said, you merely sidestepped it.  Understandably so, since you seem to be in denial that the most important pillars of defending our nation (borders, language and culture) are truly the most important pillars of our nation - and thus, also of immigration.

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