This whole gun = freedom thing is a weird American deal. Not sure why you keep applying it to other countries.

Hey we can gamble easier than you can. We are free you are not right?

I would rather gamble than shoot so I'm definitely more free here thanks

Meh, I can do both.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

This whole gun = freedom thing is a weird American deal. Not sure why you keep applying it to other countries.

Hey we can gamble easier than you can. We are free you are not right?

I would rather gamble than shoot so I'm definitely more free here thanks

Meh, I can do both.

But can you freely. Is there a gaming area with slots and a sportsbook like many Australian bars? That's freedom man. Who needs a gun in a suburban house? What use is that?

See silly.

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This whole gun = freedom thing is a weird American deal. Not sure why you keep applying it to other countries.

It doesn't apply to other countries. It's a weird American deal. We're a bit more civilized here.

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Meh, I can do both.

But can you freely. Is there a gaming area with slots and a sportsbook like many Australian bars? That's freedom man. Who needs a gun in a suburban house? What use is that?

See silly.

In many places yes, but not all places. We're definitely not totally free when it comes to vices, something I and many like me are working to correct. America certainly has her own problems to work out

And in 35 years I've twice used my personal firearms in self defense in my home and once in my car on the way to work. Not something I want to ever do again, but I'll never be unprepared to defend my wife and kids if the moment comes.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

The problem here is you are thinking like a gun nut. Not many here want looser gun laws. Luckily nobody wrote a vague sentence about gun ownership in an amendment of the constitution that must be followed to this day.

So more restrictive gun laws aren't any infringement on rights, more a will of the people type thing.

You are pretty good at tossing labels aren't you?

 “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”

What is vague about it?

Finally if Australia wants to disarm the population more power to you. Just be honest about it which again is the point of the OP.  

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Original Season Ticket Holder - Retired  1995 - 2020


At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

It's cute you think that owning a gun somehow makes you more free as if that would ever help if the government (who you vote for) wanted you gone.

Hey, what are those things everyone is carrying?


P.S.  We won.

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When you get into the endzone, act like you've been there before.

I recall the massive military and police presence needed to control a 20-block area of Watertown, Mass. They were looking for one badly injured teenager and they had the full cooperation of every citizen.

Now imagine the same scenario without the cooperation of the people and expand the 20-block area to include the whole country. Also, subtract at least 50% of the police and military who called in sick or stayed home to protect their own families.

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Buy guns and ammo, friends. Buy guns and ammo.

This is how "civil" wars start.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

Hmm....
According to the just-released U.N. Small Arms Survey:
American civilians own nearly 100 times as many firearms as the U.S. military and nearly 400 times as many as law enforcement.

But even liberal Aussie guy seems to think that isn't enough if the government "wanted us gone". And now here's the conservative pirkster suggesting the same thing.

OK, you've convinced me. I'll stop by the gun supermarket today and load up a few more shopping carts.

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Independent pirkster.

Freedom hard my friends. Freedom hard.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

Hmm....
According to the just-released U.N. Small Arms Survey:
American civilians own nearly 100 times as many firearms as the U.S. military and nearly 400 times as many as law enforcement.

But even liberal Aussie guy seems to think that isn't enough if the government "wanted us gone".  And now here's the conservative pirkster suggesting the same thing.

OK, you've convinced me.  I'll stop by the gun supermarket today and load up a few more shopping carts.

Your government runs a fleet of nuclear powered airports, each with enough firepower to level a decent sized city. You have a semi-automatic AR-15 and a 9mm Glock. I have a better shot at having sex with Scarlett Johansson than you do against the US military.

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Hmm....
According to the just-released U.N. Small Arms Survey:
American civilians own nearly 100 times as many firearms as the U.S. military and nearly 400 times as many as law enforcement.

But even liberal Aussie guy seems to think that isn't enough if the government "wanted us gone".  And now here's the conservative pirkster suggesting the same thing.

OK, you've convinced me.  I'll stop by the gun supermarket today and load up a few more shopping carts.

Your government runs a fleet of nuclear powered airports, each with enough firepower to level a decent sized city. You have a semi-automatic AR-15 and a 9mm Glock. I have a better shot at having sex with Scarlett Johansson than you do against the US military.

You should read some history, less likely to leave those Cheetos stains on your junk like your current viewing list.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Here we go again with this nonsensical argument that Americans would use military might to kill and suppress their own people simply because they wear a uniform. Please, stop.

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Here we go again with this nonsensical argument that Americans would use military might to kill and suppress their own people simply because they wear a uniform. Please, stop.

Don't you know? According to DF's reasoning the US government would nuke every US city to prevent the citizens from regaining control.

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

You lot think that if and when the US government turns on its citizens they wouldn't have made sure the world's largest military is on their side? God, you people are naive. Let me spell out the scenarios for you here:

1: The government seizes complete control with the military on their side. You lot get your pea shooters ready, the military stomps you into the ground like vermin.
2: The government seizes complete control without the military on their side. You lot get your pea shooters ready, the military stomps the government into the ground like vermin.

Either way, you and your pathetic fantasies of 1776 and local militia have nothing to do with any of it.

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You lot think that if and when the US government turns on its citizens they wouldn't have made sure the world's largest military is on their side? God, you people are naive. Let me spell out the scenarios for you here:

1: The government seizes complete control with the military on their side. You lot get your pea shooters ready, the military stomps you into the ground like vermin.
2: The government seizes complete control without the military on their side. You lot get your pea shooters ready, the military stomps the government into the ground like vermin.

Either way, you and your pathetic fantasies of 1776 and local militia have nothing to do with any of it.

You are oversimplifying this hypothetical situation.

1:  Not everyone in the military will follow orders to open fire on it's own citizens.  There will be defections and if that were to happen those folks will not be leaving empty handed.  
2:  Has there ever been a revolution without insiders turning away from the status quo?  

Now you are correct, if the battle were the entire military against either side it would be a coup like none other.  I just don't see it ever going that way though.

Oh and quit talking down to us lowly 'Merican posters.  You are inviting us to revolt.  ;-)

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Original Season Ticket Holder - Retired  1995 - 2020


At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

You lot think that if and when the US government turns on its citizens they wouldn't have made sure the world's largest military is on their side? God, you people are naive. Let me spell out the scenarios for you here:

1: The government seizes complete control with the military on their side. You lot get your pea shooters ready, the military stomps you into the ground like vermin.
2: The government seizes complete control without the military on their side. You lot get your pea shooters ready, the military stomps the government into the ground like vermin.

Either way, you and your pathetic fantasies of 1776 and local militia have nothing to do with any of it.

You watch too many movies.

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You lot think that if and when the US government turns on its citizens they wouldn't have made sure the world's largest military is on their side? God, you people are naive. Let me spell out the scenarios for you here:

1: The government seizes complete control with the military on their side. You lot get your pea shooters ready, the military stomps you into the ground like vermin.
2: The government seizes complete control without the military on their side. You lot get your pea shooters ready, the military stomps the government into the ground like vermin.

Either way, you and your pathetic fantasies of 1776 and local militia have nothing to do with any of it.

The simple reality is that you don't really know what would happen, and for you to pretend that it would be one of two easily described situations is naive.

But keep pretending that you know more about Americans than Americans do.

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Here we go again with this nonsensical argument that Americans would use military might to kill and suppress their own people simply because they wear a uniform. Please, stop.

Isn't this exactly what we are warned about by gun rights activists? If not the uniformed military and police, who will seize our weapons?

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

Here we go again with this nonsensical argument that Americans would use military might to kill and suppress their own people simply because they wear a uniform. Please, stop.

Isn't this exactly what we are warned about by gun rights activists? If not the uniformed military and police, who will seize our weapons?

It sure is, and while I don't subscribe to it as my primary argument for supporting the 2nd amendment, it certainly rings true as a deterrent to keep government honest. Let's just use the theoretical that a cabal within the U.S. government did want to seize control. How many in the ranks would choose dissension from government mandate knowing there is no means of defense for their families once that decision is made? Kim Jong Un would not be in control if the people he subjugated had the means to actively resist. 

But we are not a populace of enslaved cult worshipers. We live in a vibrant and open society where government can be openly criticized, questioned, and replaced. That spirit is actively embraced by those in uniform and reinforced by the 2nd amendment. Using them as tools of revolution is pure folly.

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