It's like you people don't understand that no one really matters except me. Oh no, I said "you people", I denounce myself for my latent racism. 

I appreciate your honesty. :-)  I’ve come to learn at a somewhat older age that we as a collective society need each other whether we like it or not. Conservatives can’t exist without Liberals and vice versa. We’re all just cogs in a machine and personally I try to go through life being empathetic towards others and be mindful of the things I say because I prefer having respect for others rather than thinking I’m the center of the universe.

False humility is just a lack of self-awareness, and I'm a Libertarian, we don't need any of you people.

Damn, did it again.

Edit: Oh no, I seem to have triggered poor Mikie, he's got the vote button out again

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

So you also (along with mikesez) believe that a willingness to physically assault someone smaller makes a person right.

Did you get that from a Leftist site, or is that just your personal opinion?

We are not saying that it's OK to assault people in response to insults. 
We are saying that it is an insult, and trying to let you imagine situations where it should become clear to you that it is an insult.  The point is you wouldn't say these things to the face of the example person.  Once you imagine the situation that should be clear.
Now that we have established that an insult was given, the next question is, was it intentional?
If it was unintentional, DeSantis should say so and apologize.

No, what you are saying is that there is someone willing to physically assault another person for saying something, whether or not it is an actual insult, and because that person will use physical assault it makes him right to claim it's an insult.

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

I agree with the fact that he had not racial intent by his choice of words.

That said, I think anyone believing in Darwinism and the Theory of Evolution believes we all evolved from apes

Humans didn't evolve from apes. Apes and humans evolved separately from a common ancestor.

And what common ancestor is that?

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My kid was in his room singing some song about African-Americans jumping on the bed. I had to tell him that wasn't appropriate, we shouldn't laugh when people fall off and bump their heads. Fortunately they were insured so the Doctor could tell them not to jump on the bed any more.

Did their momma call the doctor cause the daddy wasn't there? Definitely racist.

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He also called Gillum "articulate" in the same breath.  Joe Biden had to apologize for using that word to describe a black person in 2007.
We never call white adults "articulate."
Whenever that word gets used in reference to a black adult, we imply that most black adults are not articulate, even though nearly all of them are.

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http://youtu.be/ouGM3NWpjxk The Home Hypnotist!

http://youtu.be/XQRFkn0Ly3A Media on the Brain Link!
 

Peyton must store oxygen in that forehead of his. No way I'd still be alive after all that choking.

 

We are not saying that it's OK to assault people in response to insults. 
We are saying that it is an insult, and trying to let you imagine situations where it should become clear to you that it is an insult.  The point is you wouldn't say these things to the face of the example person.  Once you imagine the situation that should be clear.
Now that we have established that an insult was given, the next question is, was it intentional?
If it was unintentional, DeSantis should say so and apologize.

No, what you are saying is that there is someone willing to physically assault another person for saying something, whether or not it is an actual insult, and because that person will use physical assault it makes him right to claim it's an insult.

You're not worth it dude.  You don't want to understand me.  The harder I try to be clear the harder you will try to misread me.

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No, what you are saying is that there is someone willing to physically assault another person for saying something, whether or not it is an actual insult, and because that person will use physical assault it makes him right to claim it's an insult.

You're not worth it dude.  You don't want to understand me.  The harder I try to be clear the harder you will try to misread me.

I read you clearly. You need to read for yourself what you wrote.

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

No, what you are saying is that there is someone willing to physically assault another person for saying something, whether or not it is an actual insult, and because that person will use physical assault it makes him right to claim it's an insult.

You're not worth it dude.  You don't want to understand me.  The harder I try to be clear the harder you will try to misread me.

We do understand you, clarity doesn't make you right.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

So just so I'm clear about this...

President Obama can talk about politicians "monkeying up elections in the past" and there is nothing wrong with that.

Candidate DeSantis talks about voters not "monkeying up an election" and somehow it's racist?

Candidate DeSantis compliments his opponent by saying that he is articulate and somehow that's racist?  Would it be better if he used the phrase "well spoken" or "gives a clear message"?

What is wrong with people?  It's just a couple of common words/phrases used, nothing more.  Especially when full quotes are taken into context rather than just the phrases themselves.  It's clear that Mr. DeSantis was not making a racist remark at all.  English happens to be my second language growing up and even I can recognize that.

The FULL QUOTE
We’ve got to work hard to make sure we continue Florida going in a good direction. Let’s build off the success we’ve had on Gov. (Rick) Scott. The last thing we need to do is to monkey this up by trying to embrace a socialist agenda with huge tax increases and bankrupting the state.”

Never once even mentions his opponent.

The only way people can read that as offensive or racist is by wanting to be offended or wanting someone to be racist.

The fact that there are people in here actually defending the notion that DeSantis said something wrong or should have known better is the exact reason why this sort of thing happens. People... SHEEPLE... allow it to.

To the tool who said "go to a black mechanic"
First... eye roll, secondly... if I told a mechanic to not monkey it up, regardless of race, I'm asking for him to find something else wrong with it or to take forever, or to charge me extra. Always be nice to those working on your vehicle and handling your food.
Secondly... if I use the term "monkey it up" and someone black assaults me...Hell, if anyone of any color or race assaults me... it just further proves the point that the problem isn't words... it's people and their reactions to them.
Someone can call me all sorts of names... wigger, honkey, cracker, [BLEEP], [BLEEP], whatever... it has no actual impact on me or my life... and just shows their ignorance.
Why would I get so up in arms over something someone says, especially if it isn't true. But if I get violent over words... how am I a better person? In fact... I'm instantly worse.

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Insults are in the eye of the beholder.
If you feel insulted, you get angry, and you want to get away from the person who insulted you, or, maybe, fight them. You certainly don't want to vote for them.

If I say something to you, that you take as an insult, for you, it is an insult.
You will continue thinking it is an insult until I say, "Oh, I didn't mean it that way."
And then you will probably continue feeling angry until I say something like, "I'm sorry. I get how you might have interpreted my words that way. I'll be more careful with what I say from now on." The relationship heals. You might work with me in the future. You might vote for me.

If I say something to you, that you take as an insult, and you tell me, "hey! Don't insult me like that!" but I just say "don't be absurd" in reply, what does that indicate? It indicates that I don't care about your feelings and that I think you're absurd. You won't work with me. You won't vote for me.

I want DeSantis to win and I want my darker skinned friends and neighbors to be OK with him winning. He needs more votes and more good vibes. He should sincerely apologize for a poor choice of words.

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I want DeSantis to win and I want my darker skinned friends and neighbors to be OK with him winning.  He needs more votes and more good vibes.  He should sincerely apologize for a poor choice of words.

I disagree.
An apology is an admittance of wrong doing.
He. Did. Nothing. Wrong.

If there was a real inference to be made by his words I would agree. People shouldn't get offended by words, imo. To me, it makes you look weak. Mentally. Emotionally. 

But I get it... there are words and phrases you just shouldn't say. To people. About people. I get it really I do.

But until someone actually compares someone to a monkey, or people to monkeys because of a certain thing, I can not make the connection based solely on the word and the opponent.

If anything those who take his words out of context to make it about the black man he is running against are much more racist than the white man who told his constituents to not mess something up.
For reference
mon·key
ˈməNGkē/Submit
noun
1.
a small to medium-sized primate that typically has a long tail, most kinds of which live in trees in tropical countries.
2.
a pile-driving machine consisting of a heavy hammer or ram working vertically in a groove.

verb
1.
behave in a silly or playful way.

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I want DeSantis to win and I want my darker skinned friends and neighbors to be OK with him winning.  He needs more votes and more good vibes.  He should sincerely apologize for a poor choice of words.

I disagree.
An apology is an admittance of wrong doing.
He. Did. Nothing. Wrong.

An apology is NOT an admission of wrong doing. 

a·pol·o·gy
əˈpäləjē/
noun
noun: apology; plural noun: apologies
1.
a regretful acknowledgment of an offense or failure.

Acknowledge that offense was taken, express regret that offense was taken.  "I didn't mean for you to feel that way.  I'm sorry you feel that way."

Again, you should not be putting yourself in DeSantis' shoes here. You are not DeSantis. You are not a candidate. You are a voter, like me. The way candidates should treat voters is different than how we treat our personal friends.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

The when offense business is a farce. The only way to judge someone is based on their clear intent. If he used a phase with some obvious or exclusive racist connotation is one thing. This 'dog whistle' crap is just an excuse to treat anything a conservative says like the n-word.

He has made clear that his statement had no racial basis and any sane reading of the text bears that out.

They criticized mitt Romney for adopting A black child!!!

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Hey who here remembers when John McCain picked Sarah Palin and the next day Obama said you can't put lipstick on a pig?
How did you feel at that time?

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Regarding the first part in bold, yes some people do get "offended" way too easily in today's society.  I put it in quotes because some things are twisted to make it appear offensive even though that wasn't the intent.  I believe that was the case in this "incident" (non-story).

Regarding the second part in bold, DeSantis did not associate his opponent with a monkey with his statement.  The phrase "monkey it up" is a nice way of saying not to [BLEEP] (mess) it up without using profanity and was directed or associated with the voters of Florida not his opponent.

You make a good point. 
However -  one very obvious interpretation of his comment is "Don't monkey this up... by voting for the black guy." 
That's too close for comfort for me to just dismiss the poor choice, but it's completely possible he meant nothing by it.

Treat me as an equal, just not too equal?

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At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

Hey who here remembers when John McCain picked Sarah Palin and the next day Obama said you can't put lipstick on a pig?
How did you feel at that time?

I don't remember that, but Obama used a common expression. So what? Did the New York Times and CNN make a big deal about it?

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

C'mon... I'm well aware of the instances of people using the word monkey to describe black people.
That ISN'T what happened here and that people are trying to link the two isn't even a reach... it's stupid. 
I'm saying if we're going to let people start policing our words THIS much.... it's a serious problem.

I get your point. I got it the third time. I got it from the 6 other people that already made it in this thread. 
 But the bolded statement just shows how out of touch you are with the reality of this. It's not starting to happen - it's been happening for decades. People in the public eye are expected to make wiser decisions with this stuff.  
You can bemoan it all you like and call it stupid till the cows come home. It's not going away.

Then how can we ever be equal of we have to treat each other differently?

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Original Season Ticket Holder - Retired  1995 - 2020


At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

Hey who here remembers when John McCain picked Sarah Palin and the next day Obama said you can't put lipstick on a pig?
How did you feel at that time?

I don't remember that, but Obama used a common expression. So what? Did the New York Times and CNN make a big deal about it?

The McCain campaign did.  They demanded an apology. TV news did as well.
It was pretty clear that he was calling McCain's policy ideas the pig and Palin the lipstick, so it was not at all a personal insult.  Plus it was a common expression.
They demanded an apology and did not get one.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Hey who here remembers when John McCain picked Sarah Palin and the next day Obama said you can't put lipstick on a pig?
How did you feel at that time?

I don't remember that, but Obama used a common expression. So what? Did the New York Times and CNN make a big deal about it?

Isn't "monkey it up" also a common expression?

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When you get into the endzone, act like you've been there before.

I don't remember that, but Obama used a common expression. So what? Did the New York Times and CNN make a big deal about it?

The McCain campaign did.  They demanded an apology. TV news did as well.
It was pretty clear that he was calling McCain's policy ideas the pig and Palin the lipstick, so it was not at all a personal insult.  Plus it was a common expression.
They demanded an apology and did not get one.

So in one case it was some campaign manager. In the other it was the entire Leftist media.

Clearly the same.

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I don't remember that, but Obama used a common expression. So what? Did the New York Times and CNN make a big deal about it?

Isn't "monkey it up" also a common expression?

That was my point (part of it anyway).

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

Oh my gosh.... Donald Trump.... Rich White Male oppressor. Said Aretha Franklin WORKED FOR HIM.

REPROBATE. RACIST. HERITIC. BURN HIM!!!!!!

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